Raptors hang for a half, but the Pacers pull away in the third to improve to 6-0.

Toronto Raptors 84 FinalRecap | Box Score 91 Indiana Pacers
Amir Johnson, PF 34 MIN | 5-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 10 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | -11Excellent defense on David West, gathered a handful of putbacks. Still shooting threes (and missed all of them) and still bringing the energy. Don’t let the awful plus-minus deceive you, Amir had a great game.
Rudy Gay, SF 35 MIN | 12-26 FG | 4-4 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 30 PTS | +3Best game from Gay by far. Took his usual smattering of ill-advised shots, only he sunk them tonight. Aggressive in attacking the basket at times and went really hard after his own rebounds. Much more engaged in tonight’s game. Really took to the challenge of guarding George.
Jonas Valanciunas, C 34 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | +3Lesson learned for Valanciunas. Hibbert is the best big man in the Eastern conference, and he looked like that against Jonas. Hibbert crushed him on defense and bullied him on offense. Casey gave him the minutes, but Valanciunas didn’t deliver.
Kyle Lowry, PG 37 MIN | 4-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 7 REB | 8 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 12 PTS | +7Lowry was awesome. Pushed the tempo in the first quarter, dropped a bunch of dimes and hit the occasional three. His impact on the game, especially in the first half, was immense.
DeMar DeRozan, SG 36 MIN | 2-15 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -2Demar’s worst game of the season. Took way too many long jumpers (some of them were open, but his shot was totally off). He should have focused on attacking the paint, but he settled too often. This is an ugly shot chart.
Tyler Hansbrough, PF 19 MIN | 1-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -5Ehh, energy and rebounding. What else is new?
Landry Fields, SF 14 MIN | 2-2 FG | 1-3 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -7Rendered ineffective in tonight’s game. Stephenson did a great job on him.
Aaron Gray, C 6 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 0 PTS | -4Somehow he turned it over 3 times in 4 minutes. Casey went to Air Grayness for his size, but he only had his incompetence to offer.
D.J. Augustin, PG 6 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -9So awful that Julyan Stone jumped over him in the depth chart.
Julyan Stone, SG 4 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | -8He came home, like a stone, and he fell heavy, against Indiana’s defense. He looked awful out there. Sunk a three, but was terrible with the whole running an offense thing.
Terrence Ross, SG 11 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -8He played 11 minutes? Wow.
Dwane CaseyAverage game from Casey. He didn’t have the right personnel to combat the championship-ready Pacers. Looked like he made it a game-plan to run out in transition early, but his squad lost that urgency after the first half. Tried different bench units/players, which was nice, but you should be able to deduce beforehand that a lineup of Augustin-Ross-Fields-Hansbrough-Gray would not stand up to legitimate NBA competition.

Three Things We Saw

  1. Great things happened in the first quarter. The Raptors pushed the tempo early which led to some transition buckets (Raps were last in league in pace before tonight). With the amount of athleticism on this roster, the Raptors should often and always.
  2. Jonas isn’t ready yet. Hibbert clobbered him on multiple occasions. It was a bit embarrassing, really. Hopefully he learned how to play that “verticality” game. If Jonas could adapt to Hibbert’s skillset, I would be overjoyed. Also, we traded Hibbert away for Jermaine O’Neal. Thanks, BC!
  3. Paul George is freaking awesome. He dropped 17 points in the third, including a buzzer beating three from 30 feet out. He’s also a tremendously dogged defender and his wingspan is the stuff of Jay Bilas’ dreams.

  • Andre Julian Ward

    My only response to this game is “SMH.”….

  • Andrey

    meh

  • Dikwad

    Hate to point out:
    Bargs boxscore

    • Novak

      BARGNANI STARS IN KNICKS’ WIN VS. BOBCATS

      Andrea Bargnani filled up the boxscore Friday, as the Knicks’ big man scored 25 points, grabbed eight rebounds and blocked five shots in the Knicks’ 101-91 win over the Bobcats.

      • Paul

        Not like he never did this before. Shot a crap percentage, against a crap team. The only stand out stat is the blocks, which is probably a career high.

        • RaptorsFan

          He’s shooting 48% on the year coming into this game. He’s been playing really good for the Knicks.

          • Paul

            http://nba.si.com/2013/11/07/nba-opening-week-highs-lows-give-and-go/

            “….nothing tops the sheer comedy of Bargnani’s opening week. The summer
            months dragged on, and it seems like 100,000 or more words were written
            about how terrible and desperate the Knicks were for agreeing to take
            Bargnani after his pathetic 2012-13 season with the Raptors. What
            happens next? Bargnani’s early play blows away all of those predictions —
            but in the wrong direction! He was even more horrid than even the most
            ardent detractors feared.

            His opening week on/off numbers really should be framed and sent to
            Springfield: According to NBA.com, the Knicks’ offensive efficiency
            falls from 99.3 when he’s off the court to 93.4 when he’s on the court
            and their defensive rating drops from 84.5 when he sits to a
            preposterous 116.2 when he plays. In simpler terms, Bargnani takes New
            York from an average offense to a bottom-five offense, while also
            dropping the Knicks from league-best to league-worst (by a freaking
            mile) levels on defense. You look at those numbers and wonder whether
            coach Mike Woodson would have been better served by simply playing
            4-on-5 when it was Bargnani’s turn in the rotation.”

            No, he is not playing well..

            • Iso Casey

              25/8 3 assist 5 blocks. Common man !

              • GoingBig

                13 games… tic toc…tic toc…tic toc…

              • youngjames

                @ISO – that is one game!

          • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

            Have you watched him play? He’s been horrible. He’s averaging a career low 2 rpg, his PER is a wretched 8.3 and he’s as bad as ever on the defensive end. They should have kept Novak if all they wanted was someone who could hit an open shot. But Novak hits a higher percentage from three and makes A LOT less.

            He played well tonight, but make no mistake, the Knicks will end up regretting that trade.

        • Kovalainnen

          Crap percentage? I’d say it’s similar to tonight Ruddy’s numbers (best game so far)… Crap team? Toronto did lost to them a couple days ago…

          • Paul

            Ya, cause Toronto could never lose to a crap team right?
            And Rudy is Mr. Efficiency.
            Excellent arguments

      • robertparrish00

        Yeah, but that was against the bobcats. I mean, any team can beat the bobcats. The bobcats are the worst of the worst. The lowest of the low. Absolute crap.
        Wait a second………

    • Tanks-a-lot

      The rage that will spew on NY blogs when they find out it’s a once a month phenomenon

  • Roarque

    Fire Casey! Fire Casey! He won’t play JV in the Second Half!!
    Oh, wait. JV played 34 minutes, Scored 4 points. Had his head handed to him by Hibbert.
    Maybe Casey knew what he was doing after all. Oops.

    • StabbyRaccoon

      Probably not. Hibbert is an absolute beast, we should expect him to beat Jonas, it’s just that simple. Besides Aaron Gray there isn’t anyone on the team that can match his height, so of course he had to play Jonas. Which was good of him! Casey made the right choice there. But not playing Jonas enough when he was completely killing the Heat due to mismatches was a blunder.

      I never said fire Casey but we all questioned his abilities there, and we still have to.

      • youngjames

        I am!….FIRE CASEY – how long do people need to see this!? If his losing tenure in Minnesota wasn’t enough or last year wasn’t enough, then what is? So what, he had a decent half season of playing defensive ball “decent” no better, no worse. That ain’t enough to over come the consistent losing and plenty of other negatives in his head coaching system.

    • Tanks-a-lot

      JV kept Hibbert off the boards.
      JV did his job.

      • AB4EYE

        I would have rather Hibbert got that one more rebound that score 8 more points than he did a over last years average.

        • Tanks-a-lot

          Can you imagine Hibbet’s score total if we didn’t have Jonas

          • AB4EYE

            Yes it probably would have been lower

            • Tanks-a-lot

              sure

    • youngjames

      how did JV have is “head handed to him”??? You make it sound like JV was abused all night – which simple is false! Hibbert was the better player (and should be in year his 6th season compared to JV beginning his second year), but in no way did JV have his “head handed to him”. Wake up!

  • The Mega Sage

    Gay had 0 (zero) assists. It was painfully obvious at the half how this was going to play out. Gay would cool off a bit, and because nobody else was involved in the offense (how many I’ll advised/lucky shots did he make?), the offense would stagnate and the Raptors would be blown out in the third. And, like clockwork…

    The only good thing about this game is that maybe it has raised Gay’s stock a bit. I can’t wait for the day he is traded. I am not a fan of 1 against 5 hero ball.

  • Roarque

    One more thing. Please keep Amir in Toronto. He adds to the community, he’s humble, he really likes the city. His PER is right up there and he can defend David West ( try that some time ). Don’t throw him in on the Rudy Gay trade for a first round draft pick in 2018. Keep him here so we can watch him play great basketball under the radar.
    You rock Amir!!

    • AB4EYE

      West and Scola shot over 70% on him tonight scoring 15 of their 17 on Johnson.

      • Tanks-a-lot

        yeah, that’s not an “A” game

      • youngjames

        Thank You AB4EYE – that is called plus/minus stat.

  • Andre Julian Ward

    Can someone tell Casey he does NOT have to play all of the bench AT THE SAME TIME!!!

    • AB4EYE

      I find it amazing we play with so many guys in out ration to begin with.

      Part of that makes me think its Tank related because there is no reason to do it unless you’re looking to lose and if that’s the case then coach isn’t going to get fired anytime soon.

      • youngjames

        You are correct! They are trying to tank – it is being admitted though, too much at stake for this franchise to admit this early in the season.

        • Milesboyer

          Yes, that makes perfect sense! Casey is being told to tank and he has no problem with looking bad and ruining his career by trying to lose. I can imagine the conversation – Ujiri: “Dwayne, we’d like you to tank, I know it’s going to make you look like a bad coach and by the way, we’re going to fire you at some point or just let your contract expire”. Casey: “That sounds great Masai, I would love to do that, is there anything else I should be doing that I’m not?”

          • youngjames

            According to Kelly at the Star – Dallas asked about getting Casey back this season as a assistant – especially with Calderon there, the two have a great relationship. Casey knows he is going back to Dallas after this season – UM wouldn’t leave Casey out to dry he is to professional for that. So its hugely possibility there is a “wink-wink, nudge-nudge” approach to his coaching this year with anyone of importance within the NBA knowing it too! Don’t be so naive thinking that “conspiracy” political BS doesn’t happen behind the scene’s of big business – The NBA is big business!

            • Milesboyer

              Naivety is for the young, James.

          • Andre Julian Ward

            loll, Nice imaginary dialogue.

    • youngjames

      Go talk to Eric Smith – he felt that was a great move and that Casey had no other choice…seriously. E Smith said Casey was stuck to play that line up and as a coach ES would have rolled out the same line up. I so laughed at his response…it was the funniest joke I heard last night!

  • leftovercrack

    Gay wasn’t as good as his grade (he took 26 shots, for christ’s sake) and JV wasn’t as bad as his grade. He only scored four points but he only took six shots.

  • trosser

    Is the Stone comment supposed to be a rhyme because it sure reads like one?

  • Tanks-a-lot

    Amir Johnson took his first freethrows of the season tonight.

    • Ghotte

      Amir as-usual provided good hustle but I didn’t think he had a very good game and definitely started out kinda rocky. Had good defense on the physical West but his place in the offense was pretty much invisible. (Also thanks to the wings)

      • youngjames

        Amir is a better sub then he is a starter – see Jeremy Lin for another example of this type of player. Amir is awesome, love his game, but is better suited coming off the bench.

  • robertparrish00

    Dearest Primo,
    Your newest commercial is somehow even worse than the previous Bargs one. The games are hard enough to watch. Please show some mercy to Raptors fans, we have enough issues.

  • DryDry

    “Also, we traded Hibbert away for Jermaine O’Neal. Thanks, BC!”

    Uh no, that wasn’t the trade, and you know it. Toronto never “had” him They picked him to make the deal. TJ, Rasho, Baston and the rights to Hibbert for O’Neal and Jawai.

    • DDayLewis

      Doesn’t change the fact that BC traded the opportunity to have Hibbert for a washed up, super expensive O’Neal.

      • DryDry

        O’Neal was a horrible move but nobody knew Hibbert was going to be so good. Nobody.

        • DDayLewis

          Doesn’t change the fact that he traded a mid first-rounder for an expensive, rapidly depreciating contract.

          • Jangles

            ..

          • youngjames

            DDAYLewis – man you can say the dumbest things sometimes

            • DDayLewis

              Thanks. You’ve made a wonderful contribution to this forum.

              • youngjames

                I make wonder contributions every where I go – in everything I do. This is what makes me the best – what makes me better then you! Watch, learn, follow!

        • Minks77

          u absolutely Rioght, but still, even at the time we all knew it was a high risk with only limited reward if JO and bosh became the best of superfriends. it was one of many bad BC bets.

        • hupes

          all the experts, and anyone here i suppose, that watched/heard/read about hibbert KNEW he had a great deal of upside. he was always huge. and if you for one second dare to excuse that trade on behalf of BC for ANY reason, you must have been drinking some seriously colangelo koolaid.

          • Guest

            “Great deal of upside”… so did Hassan Whiteside and Perry Jones.
            “All the experts”… Revisionist much?

            Go back and take a look at all the talk re: Hibbert before the draft. There were huge concerns that he wouldn’t be quick enough or athletic enough for the NBA. If you think size is everything, I have a whole list of NBA ready, dominant centers to (re-)sell you. There’s a reason why he was projected as a non-lottery pick. Clearly, “all the experts” did not think highly enough of him.

            Besides which, considering Hibbert was probably not going to be our pick had we kept the selection, the comparison is moot. We won’t know who BC would have picked, but I remember him taking a look at guys like Rush, Koufos, Speights, Ajinca and Hickson. My money would have been on either Rush or Hickson.

          • DryDry

            So when I said “O’Neal was a horrible move” you thought I was apologizing. Right.

            HIbbert had lots of upside just like any 1st rounder. Monday morning armchair quarterbacking always transforms that into WE FOR SUR FOR SURE KNEW HE WOULD BE AMAZING. Perfectly normal. It happens with every single player who lives up to or exceeds expectations.

          • youngjames

            Scouts say that about almost every player – it is thier way to save face in case the player actually turns out!

        • Tanks-a-lot

          EVERYONE knew Hibbert was going to be an NBA beast…. eventually.

          • youngjames

            No they didn’t – matter of fact the total opposite. The scouting report is on-line, educate yourself before you speak.

      • youngjames

        doesn’t change the fact but the “fact” you are arguing is irrelevant. How can you hold a guy accountable for not having 20/20 hindsight??? NO ONE , NO SCOUT thought that Hibbert was going to be anything. He proved that in his first year where he stank and was a foul machine. Go do yourself some good and read his scouting reporting before he was traded – then go and read how the Raptors where as a team at that time. They where a team that needed to make a signifigant move to help thier play-off aspiration that season. So many teams trade away good picks to make play-off runs – why is it when T.O does it, do the fans act like we are the only team to trade a player away who will be good later for a chance to win today? Please tell me Johnny Hindsight – who will be the best 3 top players with the most effective careers in the 2015 draft?

        • DDayLewis

          Okay, on one hand, you have a cost-controlled draft pick, someone the Raptors could keep for at least 4 years for a maximum of 15 million dollars. On the other hand, you have a washed-up, injury prone big man who was owed 40 million over the next two years, thus crippling the Raptors flexibility and cap room.

          But sure, focus the argument entirely through the frame of “hindsight”, in which I never once mention.

          • youngjames

            OK so the pick was a cost-control option…That wasn’t a necessary need for the team at that time. During that summer, the Raps were trying to get back to the play-offs – they didn’t need to exercise that option for the up coming season or next. They had rookies from the previous 2 drafts they were grooming and that year the 17th pick of the draft and didn’t want a center that they would have to wait until year 3 to see thier fruits of thier labor. They had Bosh in his second last year of his contract, they were two seasons away from winning the division and had aspirations to get there that year. Lets say they keep the pick, it wasn’t certain Hibbert would have be chosen by BC, also, if he was, by the time he was decent, Bosh would have been gone and we wouldn’t have needed to draft JV. At this time anticipating the two players future – I rather JV IMO.
            Cost control although being present, wasn’t an effective part of that seasons business plan/goal to reach the play-offs. That is what you are NOT considering. You are looking back and assessing and assuming we would have taken Hibbert – which is 20/20 hindsight insinuation….would have’s; could have’s; should have’s; BS!
            For instance, Danny Granger, owed a lot of money, has knee issues (always has had knee issues – this is why Joey Graham was drafted ahead of him to the Raps)…however, there will be a team, that will be on the cusp of being a player away from success, with young kids still on thier bench they are currently grooming who will see that advantage of giving up ONE draft pick that is low w/o the players needed for the team ready to win today who are waiting to be drafted – It happens all the time in sports let alone the NBA.

            • DDayLewis

              How are you so sure of what other people are and are not considering? Yes, I understand that there’s a give and take balance to be struck with playing for now, or the future, but the future value of that draft pick was significantly greater than the present value of O’Neal (nevermind what else BC could have done with that cap space, given his history, probably not a lot).

              • youngjames

                I’m not sure – I can only go by what your type, and then I draw my conclusions.
                The feature value wasn’t greater (just like Drummond was two drafts ago), Hibbert fell. Because he was a risk, so teams that wanted to have a player with a quicker impact and less risk passed on him – just like teams did with Drummond, they weren’t willing to wait and that was where the Raps were at that time of the Hibbert draft…not willing to wait – therefore, the value of the two risky moves was in the “now” for BC and not the “future”.
                BC at the time (not three year later – at the time) had to make a decision as to what risky move would have been better for the teams immediate success (once again not in three years from then, but at that time). The team wanted to win then, not later – Bosh’s contract was up in two seasons and BC couldn’t afford to wait on a prospect in anticipation of signing Bosh back – so the “value” was greater in a trade for the team’s business plan at that time. Whether it was a good trade or not is another topic…but value in “risk” move at the time was in the immediate trade according to where the team was (once again) at the that time.
                Players get hurt, some come back and play fine, some don’t – that was the risk with the trade. So if the team is wanting to win now then the risk of O’Neal is a better chance to take then the risk of a draft pick for 3 years down the road. BC tried to make a competitive team in hopes to entice Bosh to stay and sign another contract with the team. BC didn’t know that in two years Bosh would have a plan with LeBron and Wade to bolt – or sure he might have made the risky move in favour of the draft instead of the trade. This is the very most important fact to consider when assessing ( six years later) what BC should have done at the time. You argue every time, ignoring that FACT.

  • cdub

    I don’t see how Casey gets a B. First he puts out the whole bench including Aaron Gray and promptly blows a 12 point lead. He even called a timeout and left Gray in there so he could turn the ball over one more time. Also at the end of the game it seemed like he pulled the starters a bit early or was that just me? Probably would have been a good game to give Ross more minutes since DeRozan was terrible but Ross gets 9 minutes?

    • DDayLewis

      I feel like I have to explain this every time, but the rankings are relative. As far as Dwane Casey’s coaching goes, tonight was actually above average, which is sad because he was still badly out-coached by his counterpart.

      • youngjames

        what you call “relative” we call “no understanding of how to evaluate NBA games and or players” – you ARE NOT A SCOUT, COACH, GM or a RECRUITER – for your own embarrassment, stop trying be!

        • DDayLewis

          Thanks. Great advice.

          • youngjames

            Your welcome – now do something with it!

        • Milesboyer

          You use that term “we” a little too loosely.

  • Jangles

    Rudy’s grade is far too high while JV’s is too low. Rudy had 0 assists and totally took the other 4 guys off the offensive side. I can’t wait to see him traded. JV did fine.. Hibbert is a great center and Jonas challenged him on most D possessions. I’m disgusted that he only had 6 shot attempts and half of those were in the second half when he attempted to creat his own shot. I hope we deal Demar, Rudy and Kyle this year.. Love these players but we will not get anywhere with them. I’m all in for a tank job this year.

    • AB4EYE

      JV got schooled tonight he’s lucky to not get an F. I’m no Rudy fan but today he was the only reason we were in the game at all going for 30 with 3 steals and 3 blocks.

      • Jangles

        I respectfully disagree RE: JV. Remember when Hibbert lowered his shoulder and barreled into JV in the first Q? That’s an offensive foul, yet Hibbert is getting respect from the refs. Compare that to JVs offensive foul when he extended his left arm and barely made contact with his defender; a well established player wouldn’t have been charged with that foul. All things considered, I don’t think JV, got schooled; he contested Hibberts shots and did an okay job preventing Hibbert from rebounding.

        • AB4EYE

          Roy’s best game this year was 11 points but he went off for 20 on JV on 64.3% a total he only reached 9 times all last season. And holding him to one less rebound than his career average isn’t going to make up for getting scored on so much while doing next to nothing on the other end.

  • Ghotte

    Stone is nothing more than a 15th man so the expectations of him being able to run a team shouldn’t be there. Augustin on the other hand was terrible – has been terrible. Think he lost his confidence a few years back and it hasn’t shown up since. Excellent game by Lowry but a horrible game by DD. Easily his worst of the year. Let’s see what he does tomorrow where he should have the matchup advantage.

  • ad

    Hibbert is definitely not the best big in the eastern conference. Far from it. Probably one of the most overrated players in the nba in fact. Paul George on the other hand is fucking awesome and one of the most underrated players in the nba. Anyways, i hate this roster. DD and gay are chuckers. Only difference is gay is more talented and can score against teams with strong d like indy. Lowry needs to have the ball in his hands more to be effective and not be pass it to ball stopping wings. Val has looked lost so far. Casey is looking more and more like a complete fucking moron. Ahhh just another raptors season.

    • DDayLewis

      If not Hibbert, who ya got?

      • ad

        Lets see… Horford, noah, lopez just to name a few. Id still take young players like vucevic, drummond, and val over him as well. Not now but I think they’ll be better in the future. Maybe even larry sanders. He is definitely top 5 in the east currently but hes overrated… and slow

        • DDayLewis

          Horford, maybe, but Hibbert’s defense is so good that it puts him above the other guys, IMO. He’s limiting opponents to shooting 30% at the rim. That’s 30% below league average!

          • ad

            Yeah he is definitely way more effective on d but also in Indy’s halfcourt grind it out style. He is a good player but not an all star in my opinion.

          • youngjames

            He is 7’2 he should be protecting the rim – isn’t he the tallest player in the league right now?
            Also, for a guy who is 7’2 (top three tallest players in today in the game) he averages a career 1.9 blks per…not even at 2 where at the very least it should be. So that “30% at the rim” stat becomes sad when he is averaging under 2 blks per. He is protecting the rim at that percentage because he is tall – being tall is not an accomplished skill!
            His career pts per, are (11.7 and 6.2 rebs) for a SEVEN foot TWO player….He needs to play defense, its all he really has.
            Hibbert’s first two years in the NBA: Year one – 7.1/3.5/1.1 (Pts/Rebs/Blks). Year two – 11.7/5.7/1.6, not really good at all for some who is 3 inches taller then our tallest guy. JV playing against him last night is like a 6’4 guard going up against a 6’7 guard – who will obviously have the early advantage?

            • DDayLewis

              Two seasons ago: 2.0 blocks per game
              Last season: 2.6 blocks per game
              This season: 4.7 blocks per game

              Spot the trend?

              If you’re going to attack Hibbert, you should probably address his offensive shortcomings.

              • Tanks-a-lot

                he seems like an intelligent troll with lots of facts to dump but I think there is something lacking in his thinking about the NBA game.

    • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

      Hibbert has a MASSIVE impact on the defensive end and is probably the major reason the Pacers currently have the best defense in the league. And he’s not the liability on offense he was the last couple of years.

      – Noah is shooting UNDER 30% so far this year.
      – Brook Lopez is certainly scoring well, but 6 rpg? And his defense is nowhere close to Hibbert’s.
      – Horford is definitely an All Star, but doesn’t have the impact Hibbert has. Plus, he’s undersized for the position.

      He may be a little slow, but there isn’t a center in the East who has as much of a positive impact on the game, right now, as Hibbert.

      • HogyG

        I agree, Hibs is a seriously big fella and trumps the players on ad’s list. What about Al Jefferson this year going to Charlotte? I realize he hasn’t had much if any run since the first of the year due to a bum ankle. But he’s a pretty complete package and may give Hibbert a run for his money for Top C in the east by season’s end.

    • Rap fan 2

      Totally disagree with you about Hibbert. He’s one of the best shot blockers and defensive anchors in the NBA right now. Without Hibbert the Pacers would have a difficult time stopping and beating teams like the Miami Heat. If the Raptors had Roy Hibbert we could have beaten Miami last week.

  • AB4EYE

    I find Amir getting an A with the line of “Don’t let the awful plus-minus deceive you” to be a joke. Amir got owned by Scola in the the 4th for a big 3-for-3 and 3 rebounds by playing lazy defense. Sure he had some tip backs to pad the points and rebound stats but he had 3 TO to just one assist with no steals or blocks. His +/- was well earned with with that lazy defense!

    Raps fans give too much of the leeway to JV and Amir when they play terrible defense.

    Casey would been better off going small with Tyler on Hibbert than using Gray he single handed murdered the good run the bench had when they first checked in. Missing his shot and 3 TO in next to no time was terrible.

    Hansbrough got a C- which seems low since he played defense on West, Scola and Mahinm and only gave up one bucket and that was a contested jumper to Scola meaning Johnson gave up 15 to them. His night looks bad due to the 1-for-4 but if that one ball doesn’t hit the rim a half dozen times before rolling off he has a plus offensive night to go with 19 MP of shut down defense.

    • youngjames

      RR writers do not understand or care to understand the definition of the plus/minus stat, let alone take it into consideration. As a trained and experienced professional who works in evaluating individuals on work performance – EVERYTHING MUST BE taken into consideration: when someone states that they have purposely ignored a viable stat, then that person has failed a proper (due diligence) evaluation/assessment. Don’t take it serious, have with him – at least he is trying!

      • Tanks-a-lot

        Have you ever even played basketball for a successful team at any level?

        • youngjames

          Professionally No, but my high school basketball ball team I started on was a top 5 team every year I played in Scarborough were I grew up and also played daily on streets courts – have you?
          What does that have to do with knowing what a stat means and its importance to the evaluation process – in this case “letter grading” – when assessing a person’s (players) workers performance (game stats and play)?

          • Tanks-a-lot

            you played some highschool ball and shot some pickup hoops.

            that’s all I need to know about your expertise in evaluating NBA related topics

            • youngjames

              Yeah but I am educated and experienced in performance evaluations on workers in the workplace for many many of industry. It is my career, therefore I would say, my ability to assess and evaluated at a professional level gains me the credibility.
              However under your own theory – you don’t have the expertise about the NBA either, since you have never played at that level, niether do any of these commentators, niether do the writers or media professionals. I mean, I have never acted before does that mean I cannot tell the difference between a good actor and a bad one? I have also never been to court, I guess I can’t tell the difference between lawful and unlawful; I haven’t driven in the Indy500, guess I don’t know when a car is a piece of crap or not…I can go on – But I am done showing the readers how Smart you really are bros.

              • Tanks-a-lot

                lol
                you are no better than the Navy Seal copypasta
                lol

  • ezz_bee

    Toronto shot 10-for-35 (.286) in the second and third periods… From the NBA.com post game notes

  • Phat AlberG

    Raptors have the worst wing players in the NBA, they can’t shoot or put the ball on the floor. I think Terrence Ross needs more minutes because he can still develop into decent player, but Demar is not going get better he’s just getting worse. They should honestly trade him and Rudy, Kyle & Amir this year. Just the clear deck and let it be Val, Ross & Acy get some minutes, because right now it is not fun watching these guys at all. They don’t share the ball, and there offence is just hero ball everyman for him self.

    • youngjames

      DeMar has re-tracked this year so far!

      • DDayLewis

        “re-tracked” Hey that’s a real word! You say the smartest things sometimes.

  • Rap fan 2

    Call me a sadist but I think it’s great to play against the best. We should play 20 games a year against Miami and Indiana. Each game you play against them you see where you are lacking and must improve on in order to beat them. It’s part of the process to get better. We can’t be afraid of failure.

    • Anon

      We got a sadist right here.

  • JHP

    All year we’ve had this great debate about tanking. Well I really do not see an organization trying to win. Last year 1/5 and this year healthy 2/4. It sure be interesting to see how tonight goes. Both teams will be trying to lose and I see Utah winning by 2. We will not get Wiggins but a lottery pick is on the way.

  • youngjames

    Bobby-Lou: Your grading system is hilarious! Can you explain outside of box scores, how you assess and apply your evaluations? By the way: This site (RR) NEEDS to LEARN the importance of the plus/minus stat…now go read and educate your sad-selfs!

    • DDayLewis

      Sure. I watch the game, take notes, look at the boxscore and then I give a grade relative to their usual performance. So if Quincy Acy explodes for 10/8 and plays great defense while maintaining a lead for the Raps, he probably gets an A, but if Jonas does that, it not that different from what he usually does, so it’s more like a B.

      And plus-minus does factor into the decision. After all, it’s right there in the boxscore.