Players reject deal, and will file anti-trust action against the NBA.

This is Stern’s worst nightmare. Owners could’ve mildly relented on few system issues, and ended this weeks ago. Now, all hell breaks loose.

The lawyers will file suit within next two days. No need to wait on decertification. Union is disbanded immediately.

The chances of losing the entire 2011-12 season has suddenly become the likelyhood.

The players hired David Boies, a top anti-trust attorney. He handled NFL claim, and several top cases.

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  • Raptordan

    I guess I will have to settle for college ball to get my basketball fix.  I have to think that this is a stupid move by the union.  They will never re-coop the money that they are losing out on.  And what was Stern thinking with his bullying tactics?  Give most people an ultimatum and they will get there backs up and say go screw yourself.

    • Juicy

      I think you hit the nail on the head.  Things will probably still get worse for the players, yet, Stern brought this on too.  The players have done all the conceding to this point, and giving them this ultimatum was a bonehead move.  If the NBA could manage a 50 game season after that last lockout, why was the chance of losing an adjusted 72-game season the nuclear midnight situation?  There was still time to negotiate in a fair and reasonable manner.  The NBA wanted to bully their way to what they want, and look what it’s got them.  I thought the reason I have been on the fence of who I was supporting, was that they both had some valid points, but now I am not so sure.  Perhaps, I could never pick a side as in reality they were both unworthy of support.

      The only good news, is that with this decision they will both lose.  Perhaps that’s very fitting.  But we lose too, and that’s what’ sad.

      • Nilanka15

        Sources say that Stern was not happy with how the 50-game season went down in 1999.  That’s probably why the talks of duplicating another 50-game season never happened this time around.

        • Matt52

          Yes.  He said he has little interest in a season with less than 70 games.

    • brother

      Nail meet head, head nail. Nice call: “They will never re-coup the money that they are losing out on”. I am too lazy to actually look up the numbers, but you are dead right. I doubt there’s a player in the league who will be better off by way of this move.

      If you were a player booked to make 3 million this season and you kill that money to argue over an additional “2%” of Basketball Related Income which is only a fraction of your salary there is no way that the 2% will EVER amount to 3 million, even over an additional 10 years.

      This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen a group of people do.

      Stubborn and stupid. These players got duped by their agents and by their blind hatred for the owners. I get that they are peeved at the owners’ unfair and “disrespectful” dealings, I really do, but they need to have some kind of vision. Sometimes you take what you have to, not what you want. Especially when you’re sacrificing millions to protect pennies on millions. Penny wise, pound foolish. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. Cut off your nose to spite your face. These aren’t proverbs for no reason.

      • RapthoseLeafs

        To the average player, it’s penny wise and pound foolish.

        To the average agent, they see a long term vision – wise or not – even if it means an adverse scenario for their current clients.

    • p00ka

      The players are only getting bullied in the sense that they’ve been totally outclassed in handling this whole mess. Stern and his team have been one step ahead of them at every turn and the poor bastards can only whine about unfair treatment.

      The latest: In Stern’s interview today, he unleashes an “ultimatum” / bullying” bomb that the players union started that style of process almost 2 years ago (Feb ’10) when their lawyer threatened de-certification if they didn’t get what they want. My guess is that the NBA’s legal minds have been planning for this possibility ever since.

      This is the basis for an open case with the NLRB that the league filed over unfair business practices. They filed that this past summer as a preemptive strike. This isn’t bullying. It’s an outright slaughter and it seems the players are hell bent on losing even more. Almost makes me want to feel sorry for them,,,, well, some of them anyway.

  • Nilanka15

    Can’t say I’m surprised by this news.

  • j bean

    This really doesn’t come as a surprise. The players live in their insulated world where they usually get what they want.
    Not this time.   

    • Jjc503

      So do the owners, noob.

      • jimmie

        And the owners will continue to get what they want.


      Owners get what they want because they are paying the player’s salary.

      In a normal business a company can close down franchises and fire their employees if the owner sees they are losing money.

      The stupid players got to understand they can’t get fired or let go so owners have to do what is necessary to keep their teams afloat by lowering their “wages”.

      I hope the NBA players talk to the NHL players on their experience.  NHL players said they wish they never done the lock out because owners always win!

  • Bendit

    Speaking of lawyering up…the NBA’s sharks reside at Proskauer & Rose who handled the NHL & NFL cases. Bettman and Stern are both alumni of the firm. 

  • CalgaryRapsFan

    I am a little surprised that the players rejected the offer, as I think it is the best they will get (and more than they deserve).

    I wasn’t even upset with Stern’s tactics; I saw it more as a statement of fact, than as an ultimatum.  He was being honest, in that this was the best offer the league/owners were going to extend to the players.  If the players want to play hardball by rejecting it, then get ready for the owners to start really playing hardball too.  I would have done the same thing.

    • p00ka

      I agree!! I don’t buy the whining about being bullied either. He told it like it is. Damn, I wish someone would bully me into earning $5M a year with limitations on where I can bring my talents. Ten years of that and me and my family could live in luxury the rest of our lives anywhere we want.

      • TheFame

        Well it’s too bad that the average career length is closer to 4.5-5 seasons, and that the median player makes around 2.3 mill a season (the average is skewed by max contracts, on average, half the players in the league will make 2.3 mill or less that year). Stop being ignorant.

        • jimmie

          So you’re saying $10M over the life of a career isn’t enough for someone who’s a career 10th-15th man?

          • I can’t feed my kids on 10M!

          • golden

            Perspective check:  With this or any deal, the average NBA player would make more in one season than what the average NBA fan would make in a lifetime.   

            • Theswirsky

              and the average NBA player will bring in more income for their team than an average NBA fan will for their company aswell.

              The fact that NBA players make more money than you or I is not relevant to this debate.  If it is than we should take ownerships income and networth into account to.

              • Nilanka15

                The difference is that we shouldn’t be treating the players and owners as equals in this debate.  Instead, the two sides should be looked at as employees and employers.  The latter always has the upper hand.  I can’t go to the CEO of my company and claim his net worth is more than mine, because it’s completely irrelevant to me as an employee.

                • Theswirsky

                  and thats perfectly logical.  But neither should fans point to an NBA player and say they are greedy because their networth is more than his.

                  But I think more than anything the very problem is that fans aren’t treating the owners and players as equals in this debate.  They are both 2 parts to a whole.

                  The owners can’t own teams if they don’t have players…. and players can’t play if there aren’t teams. 

                • Nilanka15

                  At the risk of getting too hypothetical, I disagree with the notion that the owners can’t own teams if they don’t have players. 

                  If we’re talking about the 450 players currently locked out, then what you say is true.  But if the owners held open tryouts for replacement players, there would be hundreds of thousands of “applicants” lining up at the door.

                  Will the product suffer initially with replacement players?  Most definitely.  But no player will be earning $23 million per season either, so it’s a process the owners could easily afford to take.

                  The casual fan will lose interest without the ability to watch the LeBrons and the Kobes, but eventually, more 25ppg players will develop and earn trips to all-star games, and “new” superstars will emerge.  When that happens, the casual fans will return.

                  So the way I see it, the players NEED the owners….but it’s not necessarily the other way around.

                • Theswirsky

                  The hypotheical is fine.  And yes I agree but at the same rate a team could have any current owner replaced with someone else and business as usual would continue.

                  Its not that they both need what they currently have, but rather they simply both need each other.

                • Nilanka15

                  Yes, but the owner isn’t getting replaced unless he sells his team.  The owner has leverage (always did), but the players failed to realize this from day 1.

                  Anyways, let’s go back to agreeing on something:  doesn’t Bargnani stink like doo doo?

                • Theswirsky


                • 511

                  Now, that made me f***ing laugh. 

                • News Flash

                  please stop!

        • p00ka

          Well thank you for the enlightenment. Perhaps you can also help me understand what proposals the players have offered that is in the best interest of the league maintaining employment for the 30 teams worth of players, and creating some hope of competitiveness for the smaller markets, or those that don’t wish to throw tends of millions away every year (a la Cuban). The owners have tried to offer solutions for long term league health. What have the players countered with except refusal?

        • j bean

          In the same way max contracts raise the average earnings, all the players that come up for a cup of coffee but don’t stick lower the average career length. A true NBA baller starts in his early twenties and barring massive injury has a career of around twelve years of huge earnings.  
          As far as the current situation goes the player reps voted not to inform the full membership on the owners offer and see how they would vote.  The offer they rejected was an attempt by the owners to bring profitability to more teams which is good the game and it’s fans.. 

    • Bendit

      The membership of the union did not vote on the rejection and more importantly neither did they vote on the decision to go ahead with de-certification. I find all this rather strange on a matter of such importance. 

      ps..the reps may be able to reject the agreement but the dissolution of the union is a bit of a scratcher. 

      • Theswirsky

        I’m pretty sure decertification needs to be voted on to.

        I agree that the offer should have been voted on.

        • SUCDIKNBA

          I believe from reports Paul Pierce has taken the lead on the decertification process and has assembled signature of 300+ NBA players that want to do it as well (which is a majority of players).  Deron Williams is laughing in Turkey cause he has been saying that decertification should of been long time ago.

          I don’t get why the players think they can win.  They were fighting for weeks on not going below 52% on the BRI and now they have settled at 50%.  Now they are saying the “technicalities” are not fair…it just an arrogance battle now

      • Bendit

        A bit ofa correction…this is being called a “disclaimer of interest” rather than a decertification which has a more rigorous burden of compliance …like the vote I mentioned. But the similar result of lawyers now representing the players and the ability to suethe NBA remain. A run-around to buy time or avoid a vote of the membership is what it seems to be. 


    Fans need to go on strike.  When the NBA comes back in a year or two let the rich people buy the courside tickets and every seat behind them should be empty as possible!  Fans should be at home watching games on their HD TVs for free.

    Less fans=less income= owners/players wondering where they gonna re-cooperate all these financial losses

  • Eatadic_nba

    i will never give them a direct dime again.

    • just many, many indirect dimes…

  • Lovellbob

    This is totally rediculious millionaire fighting with millionaires; how can this be! Do either of these sides think about the little guys who ran the concessions and parked cars and what it means to their family life and them making a living!! NBA owners and players basically say tough the players are saying they are fighting for their rights!! Bull owners are going to have a tough time filling the seats after this is over and players are going to find it tough getting a job. Maybe the owners should have replacement players and pay them a wage which I would be quite happy with say $250,000- $500,000 a lot less then NBA players but quite a lot for the average Joe!! Players you are greedy  SOB’s.

    • rowejo

      you get what you pay for last year the nba mad almost 4 billion dollars ,if the get some scrubs they wont make even one third of that kind of money and the know it .

  • Replacement Player#1

    This is totally rediculious millionaire fighting with millionaires; how can this be! Do either of these sides think about the little guys who ran the concessions and parked cars and what it means to their family life and them making a living!! NBA owners and players basically say tough the players are saying they are fighting for their rights!! Bull owners are going to have a tough time filling the seats after this is over and players are going to find it tough getting a job. Maybe the owners should have replacement players and pay them a wage which I would be quite happy with say $250,000- $500,000 a lot less then NBA players but quite a lot for the average Joe!! Players you are greedy SOB’s.

  • Milesboyer

    Ironically, this situation is counter intuitive to the American dream which is to work hard, and/or be extremely clever in the process, and rise to the top to make as much $$$ as possible.  Once in a position of power, unless unethical acts are being committed, said rich man should be able to control his destiny as long as it is within the “rules” which of course can be bent or re-shaped by those in power.  That’s how the game works.  Now there are protests going on around the world, especially in the U.S. because people are unhappy with this system and rightly so.  However, when it comes to the NBA, we’re not talking about 1% vs. the other 99% in the same way.  In the real world, the gulf between the haves and the have nots is tremendous.  With regards the lockout, we’ve got a bunch of millionaires crying about not getting a fair shake.  Michael Jordan’s comment to Abe Pollin was along the lines of – if you can’t afford to run an NBA team than sell it.  My advice to players is – if you want to control the destiny of the business side of the NBA, then buy a franchise, otherwise, shut up and accept the terms of the game because you have no right as a millionaire to complain about money.

    • rowejo

      you are right , and they can get good qualified people to do the business side,you don’t think that Mark Cuban are Jerry Buss run the everyday operations of their business are do you?  If the players cut out the middle man they can lower ticket sales and make a ton of money for themselves.

      • Milesboyer

        and if pigs had wings they could fly…..the fact is the Mark Cuban’s and Jerry Buss’ are the owners, the de facto business men, and the way business works in a capitalist economy is that business owners call there own shots within the rules of the system for better or worse. There are times when a revolution is required because the system is flawed but in this case, the players’ cause is hard to swallow and hardly qualifies as rebellion worthy.

  • Guest

    at least we don’t have to pay this terrible roster for a year

    • Shee

      I’m just concerned with the quality of the draft pick we get next summer.. Would’ve probably been a good one had this shit been settled…

      • even if the whole season is wiped, the raps stand to be in a good position with respect to the next draft (whenever it takes place).  even if they go to a lottery involving all teams (not just non-playoff teams from the previously played season), it will be weighted to benefit the shittiest of the shitty teams, likely based on an average win total over the previous x number of seasons (like how the nhl did their draft during the ‘crosby sweepstakes’ year).  so…the raps should still be around 5th or so, and there’s plenty of talent in this draft (it’s pretty loaded, esp. compared to last year) that even dropping (to 10th, or worse) could garner them a significant player.

        IMO – i said before, and i still believe, that the raps will be so horrible this year (either for a full season or a 50-game one) that they’d be pretty much guaranteed a top-3 pick if games were played.  however, given the depth of the draft, i’m not sure it’s overly relevant where they pick (we know it’s an almost certainty that it will be top-10) given the talent that will be available.

        i’d like to see a partial season – that’s been my preference all along, even over a full schedule.  they need to see what they have in certain players like JJ, kleiza, bayless, davis, amir & bargnani.  hopefully, with all this time on their hands, they can focus on scouting…

  • tonious35

    More time for Valanciunas to play over-seas and get better.  I wonder what Irving and Walker are doing?

  • Kobe

    Screw these players. Bring on the College games and everyone will forget about these guys and will fall in love with the college kids.

    This season is lost and I hope to see the players get a worst deal than before now that they decided to act like arrogant jerks. 

    • yeah…until they watch a few games, and realize that 90% of college teams play pretty shit ball.  i love how we romantasize the college game, like it’s some kind of wonderful & pure example of basketball played ‘the right way.’  bullshit.  college ball – at least for the majority of games – is mostly crap.

      • Nilanka15

        And as much as we complain about NBA officiating, NCAA officiating is exponentially worse (although the inclusion of the block/charge semi-circle will help a bit).

        • yup, the officiating is pretty brutal, at least until you get deep into the tourney (and even then…).

          what drives me crazy about the college game (aside from the poor quality) is just how coach-dominant it is.  every possession is controlled down to the last dribble, players are very rarely given any freedom to just PLAY, and there seem to be 30 timeouts per team per half.  last 3 minutes of a close game, it’s rare to go two possessions in a row without a coach needing to call TO (& get a little facetime…with the resulting ‘play’ usually a fall-away 26-footer at the buzzer.

          other than that, yeah, NCAA…awesome.

  • ad

    I dont blame the owners or players for this. I blame the agents for pushing the players into this. Those are the real greedy fucks who behind the scenes pushed the players into this predicament. In reality, they should have just shut their mouths until a deal was done. Agents have way too much power in the NBA. Its the NBAs fault for allowing them that power.

    • Nilanka15

      I agree that the agents should never have been this involved in the negotiating process. But that doesn’t take blame away from the players. At the end of the day, the players still had a choice…and they chose wrong.

    • personally…if there’s one group to ‘blame,’ i think it’s the uber-rich players.  the typical joe-blow, 10th man player is getting reamed in the arse by this lockout, which will be compounded further by the terms of the next CBA.  the super rich players will (or should) be fine – they have (or should have) enough of a nest-egg to not get paid for an extended time, and most will go right back to earning ridiculous piles of money when it ends (regardless of how restrictive a new CBA is).  the 85% of non-super rich players – the ones earning the least, who have the shortest careers – should be forcing their reps to take this deal & get back to playing / getting paid.

      unfortunately, this is perhaps the only area of pro sports that models ‘real’ life – the super rich are the ones who make the decisions for the majority (based, of course, on what’s best for them), even if those decisions hurt the majority.

      • j bean

        What you’re saying about the super star players controlling too much of the game is so true. They don’t have the same respect for their teammates that don’t have the highly paid skill sets and the average guys know not to disagree with their highest paid franchise player. If LeBron, Kobe and the ten most elite players [who can all afford a season off] say lets walk, rest assured they will follow regardless of whether or not it’s in their best interests. 
        The next time I hear them mention how how blessed they are to be paid to play the game they love I’ll know how genuine they are. 

      • Paradigm Shift

        I find it interesting that Fisher has often repeated the very politically correct message (and in this context, I don’t mean it in a demeaning way) that the union is (was?) fighting not just for these players but also for those to come. It is a message that signals an understanding of his role to represent all players, present and future, as well as, the stars along with the ‘regular’ starters and scrubs. I have also wondered if he really means it or if he just knows it’s the right thing to say.

        That “union” message exists in tension with the decertification movement seemingly pushed by the high priced players (and/or their agents) who stand to gain a greater piece of the pie in a freer market place, even if the overall piece is smaller. I personally have no sympathy for that position as I understand it. I don’t know why the majority of union members would vote to decertify, and maybe that’s why there has not been a vote…. but I am open to the possibility I don’t really understand the impact of this new development.

        • Bendit

          There was no vote to decertify.

          I view the announcement of “disclaim of interest” as a end around to the decertifying procedure which would require a vote but in essence provides the same ability to discontinue the union and start litigation. A good (though surreptitious) move by the proponents but unfair to those who believe they might have the numbers to accept the deal. One logistical aspect is the wait time of 45-60 days of decertification procedure before litigation as opposed to a couple of days as is. 

          • Paradigm Shift

            I have been too busy the last few days to properly follow this latest development so thanks for the clarification. Decertification seem far too radical a move to make without a vote behind it. If I understand you correctly, this move allows the players to play the litigation card but maintains the collective, in some manner. As a result, it does not lead to the free open system that would hurt the majority of players.

            Still, as you point out, it is an ‘undemocratic’ move against those who might like to settle. I wonder if there will be any backlash for that within the players camp?

  • rob

    worst nightmare: 2-3 year trial, 2 year appeal, nba resumes; but not before the world ends.

  • Shamando

    It blows me away that they won’t have all 450 players vote on this deal and only the representatives of each team get to vote. In any business, you plan your work and you work the plan as per the owners. They have a road map they are following in these negotiations, using communication effectively as well as the media. The player reps are way out of their league in these negotiations and hence are making the most idiotic decisions. Their plan for these negations is non existent wih Hunter and Fisher and continue to HOPE for fair negotiations. Hope is not a strategy!!!!!

  • 511

    missin hoops even hurts my soul

    no slammin’ jammin’ no pick no roll 

    the lights all off at A C C 

    ‘cept for puck fans 

    that’s not me 

    Raps that day I first loved hoops 

    slam-dunks treys and alley-oops 

    pull up jump shots fade away 

    and now … 

          …  it’s really not ok

    no Reggie-roam with wild eye 

    grab that ball – let others try

    DeMar’s movin, watch him soar

    he’ll slam it home make Reggie roar 

    and get the ball to Calderon

    he starts it up but hold the phone

    he sees Amir what’s in his mind 

    he slips right past the 3 point line 

    Jose dribbles fakes a jack

    then lobs it up towards the rack

    Amir is flyin slams the flush  

    the crowd goes nuts it loves the rush

    but that’s all dreamin it’s not real 

    those fools on both sides said ‘no deal’ 

    … … …

    coach Casey lunchin drawin plays 
    and wonders just how many days 
    he’ll sit around with his assistants 
    while boardroom – both sides – flex resistance 
    back-slap smiles hide the fear 
    that they and we will lose the year 
    they can’t decide just how to split 
    that dough we pay – I wanna spit 
    and all the while we got no hoops 
    I’m wonderin just who are the dupes? 
    refund my tickets I’ve done that 
    don’t even wear my Raptors hat 
    I check the news but little hope 
    as days go by I learn to cope 
    no NBA at all to see 
    in person or on my tv 
    could it be that it’s all done?

    then I’ll move on – I’m five one one 

  • cesco

    ” It is estimated that 60% of NBA players will be bankrupt 5 years after retirement ” , quote from SI article :

    What is the point of fighting the owners for 2% extra money since most of them are doomed (financially) anyway .

    • j bean

      The brilliant decision they just made to walk away from millions of dollars that they will never recoup confirms the points made in the article. 

    • Nilanka15

      Wow, that was an eye-opening read.  Good find.

  • Franklinb

    With all the rage against the billionaires squaring off against the millionaires, there is zero discussion of the thousandaires – those who work for the NBA, for the teams, for the arenas, everyday ordinary folks trying to get by, who live from day to day in some cases, now without work for a considerable amount of time.

    This is indicative of the our culture – a slavish addiction to circuses while the bread issues of life are passed by.  There’s plenty of local basketball around – CIS, colleges, high school, both men’s and women’s.  Support these and detox yourselves from the pros.

  • Mediumcore

    I couldn’t care less on how they split the pie. Bottom line for me personallly is that when a new deal is done that there is more competetive balance. The fact that the NBA was a healthy Kevin Garnett away from three consecutive years of Lakers vs Celtics in the finals was ridiculous. If American players don’t want to play for a Canadian team then don’t give them a choice. Take away some of their options and Totronto starts looking like a more attractive destination. I would have preferred to watch this season no matter how bad the team is, but look forward to a new deal where the Raptors have an equal (or more so) shot at being successful. We as fans deserve that.

    • Nilanka15

      There has been some good discussion on this topic in the forum. 

      Like you, I’m all for the concept of competitive balance.  But with salary restrictions, and harsh punishment for tax teams, it’s possible that the Raptors actually end up worse off under the proposed new system. 

      It’s a known fact that Toronto must overpay to attract free agents (being the lone “foreign” franchise, and overcoming the psychological stink associated with playing in Canada).  Most of the new system issues suggested by the league would inhibit our ability to overspend, thus removing a key decision-making factor for an American-born player contemplating playing for us.

      We like to think of MLSE as a penny-pinching ownership group, but they have shown they’ll empty their pockets if management successfully convinces them to do so.  But under the new proposed system, one of the few advantages the Raptors have in the free market (i.e. deep pockets) would be completely eliminated, thus leaving us in a much worse position than other “small market” teams, that have the luxury of playing home games on American soil.

      • Mediumcore

        I don’t know what the numbers are but I would have thought that if everyone had the same amount of money to spend and a large enough talent pool then there would have to be a lot of players looking north of the border for pay cheques. Even if we don’t land a super star player we could still get the Ron Artests of the league. I guess time will tell how it works out, but the current way does not work for us so I’m all for a change.

  • I’ve written too much to rehash all of my arguments regarding this issue, so please read my article about it ( if possible. However, I have to agree with Nilanka about the Raptors being worse off due to shorter pockets. Parity and a hard cap (or flex cap) benefits mostly the American small market teams and greatly puts the one Canadian team at a disadvantage, unless they are able to draft really well, which, judging by the last 8 years, they have not. With the increased tax rate, and a colder climate, why would players who didn’t even want to come here for those reasons when we HAD money be willing to come here now? Nevertheless, making trades becomes much easier under this proposed model and will increase the chances of success based on the competency of the general manager.

    • Bendit

      “With the increased tax rate, and a colder climate…”

      The overall tax rate for players in Toronto is 13th in the NBA and the cold weather is quite comparable, if not balmier, to any city in the northeast, Milwaukee, Minnesota or Detroit or Chicago. Witness the snow storm recently in October in NY etc. As a Torontonian I am sorry you might be propagating the same tired representations (in a blog) similar to those in the US (espn etc) who more often than not are quite satisfied with anecdotal and unsubstantiated information. 

      ps…the new proposed cba is also about retention of star players as much as acquisition. Possibly, the retention of your stars and better drafting leads to a continuity of winning and therefore leading to the exception player or free agent choosing to sign here. 

  • GC3

    Stern has this whollle thing figured out. Dude’s a smart guy. He had to know that as soon as he started throwing out ultimatums, the players were going to decertify- he forced them into a corner, and he had to know that the players weren’t going to just surrender to him. He knew they would fight back the only way they could. This way, the entire season is lost and it is the player’s who made the decision to have it happen. Stern and the owners look good, while the players look like greedy @ssholes and STern gets what he wanted- a cancelled season.

    • Nilanka15

      Why would stern want a cancelled season?

      • j bean

        Going down the road the players have chosen worked out very well for the NFL owners. 
        Considering that the NBA players must also be aware of what happened there, it’s difficult to understand why they think they are different and a court is going to find in their favor. 
        It’s almost time to think about conspiracy theories.  

        • p00ka

          No conspiracy, just very well planned tactics, always one step ahead of the players’ union. It’s no coincidence that Stern’s response to this players’ move was to point out that they knew this was coming, as the union declared an ultimatum 20 months ago (so much for the players whining about ultimatums and bullying) that if they didn’t get what they want, they would decertify. Everything the league’s team has done since, including the preemptive cases filed in the summer has been geared toward this day. Just like the NHL players now feel the lost year wasn’t worth it, NBA players are going to rue the day they didn’t accept the deal on the table.

          • j bean

            I agree with what you’ve said but the part that gets me is that it wasn’t a secret trap laid by the owners. The players know full well what happened last year when this scenario played out with the NFL. The owners there got everything they really wanted. 

  • KaioKev

     This is probably a redundant post but its hard to believe that the players will gain much going forward. In the NHL, the players had the agree to rollback salaries 25% and a use a hard cap. That agreement took the cancellation of 82 games. I believe that as more day pass, more games lost and more paychecks not received, the players will begin to think in a different light about what they’re giving up and the type of people who they are up against – seasoned businessmen.