The pregames around these parts have something along the lines of matchup analysis followed by an ‘edge’ decision. I don’t dig that for two reasons, 1) It’s too much work, and 2) It requires me to give a single f**k about who Rasual Butler is matched up against. Sorry, I’ll pass.

As you might’ve noticed over the last week or so, the “true” season has started. It’s the season we all expected at the outset, and after being briefly derailed it’s finally here. The injury to Andrea Bargnani (out for tonight) has been too big of a blow to overcome, and DeMar DeRozan’s regression has only made matters worse. Despite the 0.286 winning percentage and 4-10 record, there have been positives. Some of them are:

– 16th in the league in defense (previous year – dead last)

– 22nd in three point shooting (previous year – dead last)

– 16th in opponents three point shooting (previous year – third worst)

These are three areas that we can all agree the Raptors got hammered in last season, and all three have improved. The offense has taken a hit (from 21st to 28th), but what good is an offense if it’s not keeping you in games. It’s obviously better to be in games while having a lowered paced and less dynamic offense, than having a mediocre one which results in poor defense, thus never giving you a shot.

The Raptors margin of victory this season is -5.86, compared to -6.28 last season. That in itself is an improvement, but if those numbers themselves don’t sound like an improvement, consider the strength of schedule which is harder than last season up to this point. Statistically, if the Raptors continue to stay in games and lose over the next two weeks when they’re primarily on the road, it’ll be considered quite an improvement.

I acknowledge that drumming up statistics to make ourselves feel better is a little pathetic, when the larger issue is the questionable talent level on this roster, or more specifically, the assets the Raptors have to boost said talent. As much as I feel warm and fuzzy about not being blown out on a nightly basis, this can’t be a permanent thing, at some point we’ll have to start, you know, winning.

If you believe that a “core” of Jonas, Bargnani, Davis, Johnson, DeRozan, and Bayless is going to get us anywhere, I envy your optimism. Contrary to popular belief, I think the 2012 draft class is extremely over-hyped, and this Anthony Davis talk doesn’t hold water. If you got a guy who still has a unibrow at 19, you know he doesn’t listen to feedback! Seriously though, the more I reflect on this, the more I think a trade will have to be made to inject talent and quality in this roster.

The logically tradeable assets on the roster stick out like sore thumbs – Barbosa, Calderon, umm….that’s kind of it. Whether it’s stockpiling picks to be used on draft day to get a player over, or a parlay trade at the deadline to add some foundation to the material we currently have, something needs to be done, because “waiting it out” for these guys to find themselves is a high-risk project. I’m not saying abandon the rebuild, the rebuild is great, I’m saying kickstart it with something. The Zach Randolph trade for Memphis is probably the best example of a team pulling a kickstarter trade.

These are just musings. That is all.

The game tonight has the Raptors in Boston, and we haven’t won there since the war of 1812. I happened to see the Boston/OKC game from a couple days back, and I can safely report that Michael Pietrus would’ve been a 1000 times better starter that Rasual Butler. The Celtics have lost five straight – Indiana, Dallas, Chicago, @ Indiana, and OKC, by an average of 10 points. The Raptors have lost their last five – @ Washington, Sacramento, Indiana, @ Chicago, and @Atlanta, by an average of 9.8 points. Something’s got to give.

After this one, the Raptors come home to face the Blazers and then go on the road for the Clippers, Phoenix, Utah, Denver, and New Jersey. This could very, very easily be 4-16.

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  • JHP

    I liked your article and feel tonights game could get chippy. Since the Celtics need a win and the Raptor’s may actually give up a bit of a fight.  Three years from now most of this current roster will not be here and that probably will be a good thing. Right now they should be wearing their green jerseys more often and considering changing their name to the Generals. 

  • 2damkule

    had the same (envious) thoughts re. peitrus while watching the OKC game as you.  oh well…he’d be a nice piece, but would’ve helped win.  can’t have that.

    • Lorenzo

      Thats exactly what i was thinking

  • raptorboy

    unibrow at 19, doesn’t listen to feedback…very funny!! Raps doing great. We don’t need the wins this year but we do need to develop good habits. We are doing this. Casey is a great coach. We will get wins starting next year. Great to see Calderon doing well. He’s an excellent point guard and I think we are set with him for another 3-4 years. Bring JV over, draft good player this year and add a free agent. Things are looking up for T.O. Bargs finally reaching his potential doesn’t hurt either. I give Casey 100% credit for this.

    • Brian B

      Good habits like cheap fouls, not closing out on shooters, plentiful turnovers, and jacking up perimeter shots early in the shot clock (no  free throws that way!)????

      What decent FA will come to Toronto next year? Another Hedo or Linas? And JV and any 2012 draft pick will need at least a season to adjust before being big contributors – the draft is deeper than last year, but no Michael Jordans or Blake Griffins. Has John Wall made Washington a winner? In 4 years, Jose will be 34, which is ancient for a guard not named Nash or Kidd. If he can’t guard now, how will he guard in 4 years?

      BC needs to go, blow it up, start over. Again.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Jason Terry due to Casey / Gallinari due to Bargnani / D Williams due to Casey

      • raptorboy

        Good defense. This team is leaps and bounds ahead of last years team even though the players have not changed. BC is one of the best. Calderon’s defense isn’t the talk anymore. He’s no Gary Payton but he’s holding his own. 34 isn’t old for a guy who does not rely on pure athleticism to play the game. Jose is a thinker aka Nash and Kidd. I think the team is doing great this year. Many of their losses have been tightly contested games. We can snag a decent free agent. We have the cash and players know what’s happening in T.O. Keep er going boys. Playoffs next year for sure!!

      • CaseyDaMan

        14 games into a rebuild, blow it up and start over again. Brilliant!

        • Seeten

          Welcome to being a fan of the Raptors.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          What about all of last season?

          It’s not a ‘rebuild’ but a ‘build’ get up on BC’s latest pr media spin to rationalize all the losing & how he fucked up Raptors basketball to the fan base- blame CBosh.

          I agree with Brian B blow it up- trade the 2 longest tenured Raptors under BC (AB & Jose) away & live to play another day.

          Seeing the lethargic, half ass, spoiled brat Bargnani still in a Raptors uniform this season is nauseating to say the very least- but he played harder after 5 season then got hurt after 10 games (with the same calf injury as last season) & seems in no hurry to come back with the Raptors losing games like a NBA expansion team.

          • CaseyDaMan

            Two of the saddest aspects of the internet as that idiocy can be so easily shared by those who think their pathetic needs are useful.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Hope that you feel better geting that out of your system since you are the end all & be all.lmfao

            • what the

              (((((p00KIE))))  is that you? you can’t fool me P00KA LOL LOL POOKA ! are you undercover? 

          • Gregg

            Lmao, so we’ll trade 2 of our best players, receive even crappier ones in return, and say we’ve improved. That’s some genius thinking there bud.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              How do you know what the Raptors would receive in return for Jose & AB- you know something that most of us don’t know about a potential trade?

              BC said that he gets offers for AB all of the time- well what are those offers?

              Fyi People that add self serving particulars in order to make themselves come off as being somehow superior in thinking are extra anal, buddy, laught at that. lol

              • Gregg

                It’s looking at past trends buddy, you won’t get the same haul as NO did for Paul, or Denver did for Melo. What you’ll get is a mix of average players and serviceable scrubs, or aging players that will do nothing for this team in the long-run you won’t get anything better than what you’re giving up. The only thing of value for this team are young, controllable high-ceiling players and assets (draft picks). Common sense buddy, get some of it.

                • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                  Let you tell it.lmfao

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      You win the ‘I am stuck on stupid’ badge for today- congrats & enjoy your BC Pasta flavored Kool Aid…

      • raptorboy

        not sure what you mean? Anyways..Raps have been more of a treat to watch this year than in the past 2 seasons for sure!! They’re playing hard and personally that means more than w’s to me…the wins will come. If you can’t recognize the improvements this team is making this year…that’s really strange? Calderon and Barg’s are playing great. He hurt his calf…so what? I think he’s pretty durable and he’ll be back soon. He has been a consistent scorer and defender this year and he is just starting to get it. If he continues on his present trajectory he’ll be a perennial all-star. Nobody wanted him gone more this summer than I did. But I will give credit where credit it due. Go Calderon, Go Barg’s and Go BC!!!! GO RAPTORS!!

        • sleepz

          I shouldn’t interject and I don’t question players injuries because if they are hurt they are hurt……but why did Casey say his injury wasn’t serious and he’s been out this long?

          mAybe they are assuring it gets back to 100% but I thought he would have been back already if “it isn’t that serious” as Casey has claimed.

          • CaseyDaMan

            I guess there are many different perspectives on what is serious, and whether one is considering short or long term. I don’t know how you can come to conclusions about length of time off from that simple statement, and question a coach’s honesty based on what you thought he meant.

            • sleepz

              I would assume that not long means a few games.

              Defintely less than a week.

              Whether my conclusions are off base may be the problem but I love jumping to them.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                I said that AB would miss at least 7 games with his so called calf injury…5 down 2 more to go…..

                • what the

                  when do we play the CAVS or WIZ?

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Like I said you win the ‘I am stuck on stupid’ badge for today- thanks for that reaffirming post.lmfao

          BC loves Raptors fans like you to the fullest!!!! smh

          • raptorboy

            I get it now…good one!! Sounds like you really cracked yourself up with that one!!

            Skipping steps in this “build” would be a mistake. The Raps don’t need to tear this team apart. Barg’s is coming into his own. What will you say when he makes the all-star game this year? Calderon is also an integral member of this team. They are not going to make the playoffs this year, why trade his leadership and play-making? He’s awesome in the room and the boys never got to waste any energy grabbing a gatorade…Jose got it covered! The Raps obviously got a ways to go before they hoist the championship trophy. But BC can definitely be the man to lead them there!!

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              How is AB going to make the All Star game missing so many games?lmfao

              He’s called ‘No Star’ for a reason………

              Calderon’s so called leadership equals Lottery……

  • K.J.P

    Thank you for Envy-ing my optimism.

  • Nilanka15

    I’ve never really been sold on Anthony Davis either (or Harrison Barnes for that matter). 

    Speaking of picks, has anyone noticed the numbers Kawhi Leonard has quietly been putting up in San Antonio over the past 2 weeks?  I would’ve loved to draft him if we somehow obtained another pick last summer.

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      Bradley Beal is my choice around 8th – 12th

    • Mediumcore

      Anthony Davis looks to me like a Javale Macgee type player. Long, athletic…but with a better motor, an excellent focus on defense and very coachable and good player to have in the locker. I’d love to have him on the roster. I’m also starting to steer away from Barnes.

    • sleepz

      Jeremy Lamb will end up being the best swing player in the 2012 draft.

      • Nilanka15

        I haven’t seen Lamb play this year, but I didn’t see a top-10 player last season.  But then again, last season’s UConn team was dominated by Kemba.  Nobody else ever touched the ball…

        • sleepz

          The Raps have many needs but a need for a swing or pg (‘creating’ pg as Jose has played the position well this year don’t get me wrong) is evident.

          Davis or Drummond are probably the first to go and they both have high ceilings. You should always take the best player available but our roster would have too many redundancies if we go big, so I think swing is the best way to go as the pg’s I like(Kabongo, and Wroten) will probably be outside wherever our selection is.

          Out of all of the swings, it would be terrible imho if BC were to draft a player that requires 3 yearsto develop ala DeRozan who we knew was raw coming out of USC. We need a swing man that can score (natural scoring ability) defend, and hopefully create. Out of all of the swing men I’ve seen play so far this year there is no sg or sf with Wade or Kobe handles so I think the preference is to focus on scoring (shooting) and defence. Our team is defending better but we have few players that can score and defend. Barnes is passive and avg defender but can shoot the rock. Beal is talented and can shoot, good handles but is unfortunately 6’3. Kidd-Gilchrist is a ball of energy but neither shoots or can handle the ball with enough skill for my liking. Defensively he’s solid but we need some scoring.

          Lamb is the BEST pure shooter out of all of these players and has the wingspan of a player that should be 6’8-6’9. Defensively he is also a ball hawk and would fit in perfectly in Casey’s system. He is slight of frame but the kid is 19. Kemba did do alot last year, but in the finals when he was cold, Lamb took over. His offensive numbers are efficient again and the Raps clearly need a serious talent infusion at the 2 or 3 position. UConn churns out good pros. He fits.

          • sleepz

            Sorry for the length of the post. I love talking college ball prospects. lol

          • voy

            I say you gotta go best player available, even if its a big, and then trade from your strengths.  Imagine a JV, Anthony Davis, Bargs rotation at the 3 and 4?  Put ED up on the trading block and see what comes back.  Or even go Drummond, JV, ED as a your 4/5 rotation and see what comes back for Bargs.

            I think we’d be luck if we were in a position to land either Davis or Drummond.

            • Nilanka15

              If we end up with a plethora of big men, would we be able to get equal value in a trade?  Wouldn’t opposing GMs know we’re desperate to trade?

              • voy

                I dont think so.  But I guess “best player available” could be subjective too, a little.  I think 1 or 2 you gotta go Drummond or Anthony Davis.  I guess if you are picking 10th and its essentially a toss up between a big or a wing player, you could go wing even if you favor the big a little. 

                I dont think it would be difficult to get close to fair value back for one of our bigs if they were an attractive enough an asset.

            • sleepz

              I am typically in that camp as well. My only concern is the tradnig of said player and what you get back. A talented young player on a rookie deal is worth it’s weight in gold (locked in as well) if they can produce. JV will be on that type of deal and so will whomever they draft this year.

              Maybe it’s time to look for some solid veterans but Colangelo scares me when it comes to these type of moves.

              • voy

                I would keep jv and our first rounder from this year. 

                I wouldn’t have any problems trading ED for another young piece back (backcourt or sf) if landed Drummond or Anthony Davis.  Just as an example, I’d love to see a collection of JV Bargs, A.Davis and Amir as our C/PFs

                Depending on what we’d get back for Bargs, I’d even consider moving Andrea if we were going to roll with a frontcourt of jv and drummond/anthony davis.  Maybe a trade like this doesn’t get done until later on next season to give jv and our pick this year a chance to get their feet wet but these are all things I’m sure BC is thinking of.

                • Bendit

                  Getting a pick in the top 3 also permits flexibility of trading down with other assets coming back or another pick. I am typically not in favour of trading down but with JV coming and the deep draft it will all depend on the offers for those picks as well as their position of course.

  • Brian B

    Thanks for not doing the position by position comparisons. even with the Celts in decline, would TO have an edge at any position? even center (I shudder every time I think of Amir as center- he gives so willingly, but is so constantly over matched) ?

  • Nilanka15

    If the Raps miraculously squeak out a win tonight, I wonder if it’ll be the last straw for Ainge, and he finally decides to deal Pierce.

    • Sam Holako

      Ainge has done a remarkable job of running the Celtics into the ground. Wouldn’t surprise me if he traded the wrong guy; again.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Trading Perkins was one of the most questionable trades of last season at least go with Perkins on the roster into the 2011 playoffs and then see what will happen contract wise especially with the NBA lockout on the horizon.

        Trading Perkins messed up Celtic’s team defense & on/off chemistry.

        Even though I believe that BBass is a better player than Big Baby Davis, Big Baby was an integral part of the Celtic’s rotation.

        Ainge allegedly offering up Rondo in publicized trade scenarios also has go to weigh on the aging Celtic’s Big 3 player’s minds- who’s next to go?

        Still after all that: Celtic’s present/future > Raptors present/future. 


  • Jeffrey Thompson

    Something is telling me that raptors will lose this one and I’ll tell you why.  Either a, the raptors will play rather lackadasical or the Boston Celtics will find a new vigor as they do not want to beat by of all teams the Raptors.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      KG, Pierce, Alllen, Rondo, JO……..

      Raptors are good at ending other team’s losing streaks.smh

      I don’t even think that this game will be close as Raptors will most likely lose by 10 points or more.

  • The Fox

    I have to say that Im looking forward to tonight.   I love when the raps play Boston…Also as far as trades go, I would only keep AB, AJ, ED.  The others I don’t feel at this point belong with the raps.  And I’m not willing to wait for Demar.  He knows his bread and butter is driving and finishing strong, but he doesn’t do it consistently enough.

  • hateslosing

    We have 7 players under contract next season (8 if you count Bayless). Barbosa, Gray, Magloire, AC, Butler, Alabi, and Forbes all come off the books. This means we have 39,000,000 on the books next season plus what we have to pay the rookies. I think this is going to lead to us signing at least one or two big free agents. This free agency is almost as big as the one we saw a few season ago, with Howard, Williams, Westbrook, and Kevin Love all entering the market.

    I could see us offering Westbrook the Max. He fits with what we are building and I don’t think OKC has the money to keep him. Gallinari could also be a target, he has the Bargs connection and we need a sweet shooting three. We have some cap space, lots if we amnesty someone, and I think there is a real possibility of us landing someone big.

    • voy

      you cant have gallinari and bargs on the same frontcourt.  same reason bosh, bargs, and turk froncourt was a failure, in my opinion. 

      • sleepz

        Really? I think Gallo would be a much better fit than Turks ever was. The only concern I have with this is although he would be playing with a fellow countryman how would Andrea react to playing with a fellow countryman that is better than him that should be getting more looks than him? 

        Gallo has been great and highly efficient on both ends of the court for the Nuggets this year.

        • guest

          Gallo it’s not that better of Bargs and Andrea is not that kind of player who thinks just about himself …team come first!

          • sleepz

            And Gallo is?

            Check the stats bro

        • voy

          I think you need to be more athletic, quick and creative at the 3 than Gallo (especially if your 2  can not create for himself.  I like Gallo alot better than Turk but again, I think, you’re getting yourself in the same problem you had with the turk +bargs/bosh frontcourt.  Not quick/athletic enough, in my opinion.

          • sleepz

            Perhaps. Gallo does however play on the fatest paced team in the NBA and he’s also amongst the league leaders in steals (I know cuz he’s on my fantasy team).

            You could be right but he has a feistiness and a competitive drive that I like in a player. 

    • Sam Holako

      If Westbrook got offered a max deal, Calderon would be amnestied or traded; I’m ok with this.

      • Nilanka15

        Where do I sign?

        • mountio

          Big time. If there is ANYTHING we could do to get Westbrook to sign here .. where do I sign .. that includes trading, amnestying or waiving anyone on the current roster.

      • Matt

        I be more than Happy if we get over the Bayless experiment and address our PG issue once for all with giving max to Westbrook. That being said, I will leave Jose around for the last year of his contract and let him run the 2nd unit. His chemistry with Amir is great and can really strength our 2nd unit. 
        I really hope DD pick up his game. DD and Westbrook can give us a great combo in the back. As far as the rest of the big free agents: Love, Howard, Williams , I don’t think any of them will come to Toronto.

        All that being said, I think BC is afraid of doing big FREE AGENT signing after the Hedo and Kapano fiascos and rather take the easy road ahead of “Building” based on the draft picks slowly.

    • Lorenzo

      I could see Westbrook not re-signing with the Thunder… but who would they replace him with?

  • Truthkiller

    Can someone explain how Pietrus did not end up with the Raptors, I thought there was a done deal there.

    • 2damkule

      failed the physical, the deal was rescinded, the c**ts made a play for him, he passed the physical, the end (the raps had already gone out & filled the roster by the time he was picked up by the c**ts).

  • KoolGRap

    I couldn’t agree more about this draft class being over-hyped. Maybe it’s “deep” but the top ten fails to strike me as one of the best of all time, in fact, other than Drummond who’s said he probably is gonna stay, and Davis or Gilchrist, this draft seems brutal. There definitely aren’t any obvious franchise changers like the past few years. Davis and Gilchrist are very nice players, but its hard to see either of them as dominant offensive forces in the NBizzle. Doesn’t mean we cant get some good players in this draft, especially if we can aquire a later pick (Tyshaun Taylor anyone?). Seriously though, if Jonas was in the NCAA you have to think he’d be as dominant or possibly more than Davis, and he’s supposed to go #1.
    Over hyped, and under nourished 

    • 2damkule

      well, drafts are pretty much a crapshoot, but i take issue with the notion that it isn’t deep.  if anything, the players being touted in the top-6-8 (or so) are pretty similar in terms of potential to be impact (if not franchise-calibre) players.  what this draft is lacking is the traditional ‘drop-off’ in talent after the top-3.  most drafts have a clear upper echelon that consists of one or two (sometimes 3) guys, and after them, there’s usually a clear drop-off in talent.  players projected after that upper echelon are usually considered to be good players with a lot of potential/upside, but aren’t projected as future allstars or franchise-type players.

      this draft is quite deep, and has quite a few guys who could wear the franchise tag.  or…they could all be busts.  again, it’s a crapshoot.

      agree re. JV…if he was a 19-yr old in an NCAA program, he’d be highly touted as a potential top-3 pick, IMO.  that’s why there’s so much optimism around the raps…depending on how the balls bounce, they could end up with a top-5 pick in this draft, and a guy who would be a top-5 pick in JV.  not too shabby.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Tony Wroten Jr………….

      • KoolGRap

        Dude if you ever look back at this comment you were so f’ing right. Tony Wroten Jr. sooooo much better than Tayshaun Taylor. Nice call.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      One of my top 10 emcees of all time:

      1. KRS ONE (Boogie Down Productions)
      2. Chuck D (Public Enemy)
      3. Rakim
      4. Scarface (Geto Boys)
      5. Ice Cube (NWA)
      6. Kool Moe Dee
      7. Big Daddy Kane 
      8. Kool G Rap
      9. Tupac
      10. Black Thought (The Roots)

      • sleepz

        Nas and Common don’t make that list?lol

        #7 is the most underrated of all time imo.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Not with only 10 selections but they are both dope even though I don’t really listen to Nas.

          Common Sense is dope, Common is a Hollywood movie star.

          • sleepz

            Slow down

            Common made ‘Like Water for Chocolate’ and that album is top notch. ‘Common’ took it back to being an emcee for that album.

            Dilla also produced it. Favourite producer of all time.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              I know Common’s discography- I grew up on

              Dilla was an extra nice producer.

              DJ Jazzy Jeff is my favorite producer.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            11. GURU (Gangstarr)

            12. Andre 3000 (Outkast)

            13. Common Sense

            14. LL Cool J

            15. Slick Rick

            16. Brother J (X Clan)

            17. Mos Def

            18. Nas

            19. Boots Riley (The Coup)

            20. Ice T

            • sleepz

              God bless you for giving Andre 3000 the love he deserves.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                Outkast’s 1st 3 studio albums are certified hip hop klassics plus Andre 3000 wrote most of Big Boi’s early lyrics!!

            • mountio

              Good lists .. but no love for EPMD or Q-tip?

              Crossover so classic and hard to have a best of list without a shout to Tribe ..

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                EPMD & ATCQ are two top 10 hiphop groups (imo) while I was looking more at solo emcees although Erick Sermon has some dope solo albums plus is a top notch producer.

                QTip’s solo career really didn’t do too much it wasn’t a vivrant

                I got maad love for anyone hiphop artist that doesn’t just play a role.

      • voy

        any time I hear the kids talk about drake and lil wayne as the greatest I want to shoot myself in the face.  Fear of a Black Plant and It Takes a Nation of Million… should be in everyone’s collection.

        I’d love to see what a young Ice Cube would do to drake or lil’ wayne.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Alot of kids have been brainwashed by the media into believing that- repeat a lie enough times and it becomes truth to some.

          As should- Edutainment (KRS ONE) & Death Certificate (Ice Cube). 

          Drake, Wayne and them aren’t built for an old school Ice Cube they are more like pop star Justin Bieber hip-hopper’s.

      • Tremaine

        I like KRS ONE, but Chuck D from Public Enemy is the #1 MC, and I would put Rakim 2nd. The rest of the list is pretty accurate, would’ve liked to see Biggie make the list.

  • Akash_singh

    Look at all you idiots throwing names out there like you have a clue, makes me glad I dont read the comments.

    Anyways, there is no easy way to rebuild.If there was,more than a handful of teams would have won the title. You have to be lucky and catch fire in a bottle, whether it be through the draft or trade or a little of both.

    That is what colangelo is getting paid to do, and I have no doubt he will try when the time is right.(JO, turk, marion, the year before bosh left, etc.)

    • Nilanka15

      If you don’t read the comments, how would you know what the “idiots” are saying?

      • CaseyDaMan

        Cute comment, but it’s doesn’t take a big leap to understand that what he means is that he’s seen this kind of idiocy before and avoids the waste of time reading it, only to come back to see if it has changed, yet discover the same old chit. He’s far from alone in this regard.

        • Nilanka15

          Yeah, I get it.  But my underlying point was there was far too much elitism in that comment.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      It’s not a rebuild but a build………………..

      • Ihatehaters

        Ya, we get it.

    • Luke

      There’s only one idiot, and it’s “BCGheradiniCaseyGotstoGo!!!”

  • CaseyDaMan

    “I’m not saying abandon the rebuild, the rebuild is great”

    But 14 games into the rebuild, abandon a key component of said rebuild and kick start it NOW!! A good example is a team already 2-3 years into their rebuild taking a gamble on a head case that his team desperately wants to unload. Lots of them around.

    Sounds sensible to me, and doesn’t smell of panic and desperation at all.

  • Nilanka15

    Gray apparently took part in full practice yesterday.  We may see him hit the floor for the 1st time tonight.

  • ad

    I say the raps somehow win won of these upcoming games and are going to be 5-15 through the first 20 games. Not bad for tank nation. If you extrapolate over the course of the season we should end up with 15-17 wins. Thats perfect for a top 5 draft pick

  • Darien

    I love how Calderon is playing. That said, I think it’s time to let him go. His value is the highest it has been in years and he could be the missing piece a team like the lakers could use to get over the hump. We know he is not the PG of the future because he is only going to get older and slower. We need to act now on him and Barbosa and get as many usable assets back as possible so that we can either make use of them or turn them into draft picks. Thank you Calderon for playing great and making this scenario even possible.

    • raptorboy

      I don’t think we should give up on Jose. He’s finally playing like he’s capable and I think we should ride the wave. Besides the fact that trading GM’s will refer to Jose’s past play I don’t think we would get much for him. Plus we can’t forget how his play is helping others to develop. Amir would suffer the most from Jose’s departure but so would the rest of the team. Jose isn’t getting enough credit for his distribution of the ball. He’s a great passer and team player. I for 1 would like to see him to stay with the Raps for years to come. Even when he`s slowing down and playing back-up minutes as he ages. Go Jose!!

  • Theswirsky

    “That in itself is an improvement, but if those numbers themselves don’t sound like an improvement, consider the strength of schedule which is harder than last season up to this point”

    haven’t the Raps had one of the easier schedules in the league thus far?

    • CaseyDaMan

      I don’t believe he’s in any way comparing the Raps schedule with other teams thus far. He’s comparing a “margin of victory” stat for the Raptors from this year to last year, and adding that this is arguably made more impressive by a tougher schedule this year than last.

      It’s quite arguable the schedule has been tougher thus far than last year when they played half their games vs playoff teams compared to 8 of 14 projected playoff teams thus far. If one wants to be fair, it could also be argued that the compressed schedule following a very short training camp, with a new coach and philosophies being implemented on the fly, and yeah it’s a tougher schedule than they faced last year.

  • triano?

    Somewhat unrelated to tonight’s game, but why is Bargnani still on the team?

    • CaseyDaMan

      Because BC knows trolls need to play with someone other than themselves. No other reason.

      • what the

        p00KA !! now i know it’s you are you undercover ?

        • p00ka_is_a_fish

          Without a doubt, no wonder I couldn’t find him

    • cesco

      Because an NBA team is required to have at least one player who is above average .

  • Lorenzo

    Off topic:

    Say we have the 5th or 6th pick this year by some chance, and Andre Drummond was still left on table, do we pick him up even though JV hasn’t played a single NBA game yet or could we have them “mesh” together?

    Same question applies for Lamb, although I’d much rather trade DeRozan.

    I’m just curious to hear other people’s opinions on this.

    • Nilanka15

      I think the safest answer is to pick the best player available (even if it’s Drummond or Lamb), then attempt to trade extra pieces at a later date.

      Determining who those extra pieces are, that’s anyone’s guess.

      • Shan1180

        i saw we have andre drummond as center and jonas valancuinas backcourt. draft james mcadoo in 2013 as future sf.

      • Shan1180

        in four to five years we haveone of the best backcourts in the league

    • sleepz

      Worthy is the Lamb!!!

  • KJ-B

    IF Casey doesn’t get fired–I dunno…this is the worst I’ve seen the Raps look in recent memory…Casey doesn’t have the least understanding of basic pro principles of offense I can remember seeing at this level–THING IS: when players don’t score or win–they STOP caring and any “defensive” philosophy goes right outside the window!

    Again I ask, we got rid of Jay Triano for THIS ‘change of culture’??? #POUNDtheRockMYfoot

    • raptorboy

      Casey is doing a great job!! They are learning how to play defense first…the offense will come later. A new defensive culture can’t be learned in 15 games. I say keep working on the D. we’ll figure out the offensive later. we are definitely missing Barg’s but some offense in the draft wouldn’t hurt either. Casey is awesome. He just don’t have alot of talent to work with. great teacher…great coach.

    • Shan1180

      the difference is that last season it was a democracy where triano wanted them to just pass and whoever has the best shot shoots. casey wants them to follow plays and that is where the difference is since some of our players (derozan) aren’t used to these. casey wants the bal in select hands. i prefer triano’s democracy in offense since it has a better rhytym to it and most of the players seems to follow it better(bayless, derozan,etc.) maybe letter on you could develop plays but a lot of our players don;t have the iq and just aren’t used to running some of these players with nba players guarding them

    • RapsM

      This team has little talent period. Can’t blame the coach for guys who can’t hit open shots or layups.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        But you can blame the President & GM that put this team together….

  • D32858

    When I read these post I am always amazed how little clue people have of how few players actually want to play in Toronto!

    • RapsM

      Players wanna play for winners. This team has a culture of losing, so that’s why no big time players have Toronto on their wish list.