So, nothing Raptor-related happened on Monday. Don’t know how else to put it, but there you go. There was some movement with Joe Johnson looking like he’ll be heading to Brooklyn, which means that the NBA’s official bitch, Dwight Howard, will probably expand the set of teams he’ll go to without throwing a tantrum. Good news for those teams I guess, they’ll get a guy who hasn’t managed to develop a 6-footer in 8 years. With the Hawks having cleared a ton of cap room by also off-loading Marvin Williams to Utah for Devin Harris, they’re primed to make a run for FAs this year or next with names to pick from including Howard, Paul, Bynum…list goes on. The impact of this on the Raptors, and I’m stretching here, is that the Nets will actually improve and provide competition in the Atlantic and make the 8th spot tougher to get…but who cares, playoffs shmaoffs. We don’t need ’em.

Yesterday, John Hollinger said that the Raptors were willing to up Nash’s offer in order to sway him if he leans towards New York. Scary stuff, here. On the other hand, a mild and likely meaningless article suggests that Dragic is in play too. It doesn’t make sense that the Raptors are this desperate for Nash and that their backup plan is Goran Dragic (or Kyle Lowry, for that matter). Those are two very different directions for the team. That’s like saying you want a sip of vintage wine, but when that’s not available you’ll settle for a case of Labatt.

Here’s Jeff Blair from the Globe and Mail hinting at what Nash means to Colangelo:

Nash, who grew up in Victoria, is a no-lose proposition for the Raptors. Off the court, the returns would be obvious, in terms of merchandise and television and a pre-eminent place in the national sports discussion. For Colangelo, this is a chance to regain his reputation as Master of the NBA Universe™ and justify his contract extension, let alone make life even more miserable for his Maple Leafs’ counterpart, Brian Burke. Hoops 1, Pucks 0.

I don’t mean to talk about Nash anymore, whatever needed to be posted/commented about him has happened over the last two days. I just leave the PG talk by pointing out that Ramon Sessions is also available and there are plenty of reasons to like him, perhaps our attention should turn there? There’s also Lou Williams if you’re into shoot-first PGs and Jeremy Lin if you like the circus.

The rumor mill also has Ilyasova linked with the Raptors, not going to link to an article because there are hundreds out there which are equally vague and unsourced. The three spot is where I’d expect Colangelo to improve the three-point shooting on the team:

Rasual Butler .273
James Johnson .317
Linas Kleiza .346

Terrence Ross shot 37% from college-range last season, and if his range translates, he’ll become the best three-point shooter on the team. He could play the three but I really see him as the backup shooting guard next year, what with Barbosa gone. Ilyasova shot a ridiculous 45% from three last season in his breakout year, but who knows what to read into it since he shot 30%, 34% and 36% his first three years. There’s also Nick Young who’s 38% for his career, of course, he’s accompanied with a whole lot of Nick Youngishness which I fear Casey or Colangelo don’t want to deal with.

More throughout the day.

  • jose

    Photo-shop job with Balotelli, funny stuff… :)

    • cesco

       With Mario in that room , Hillary mind is elsewhere .

      • Marko

        You mean she wants to reciprocate/get even with Bill?

    • Arsenalist

      Yes, this is totally ‘shopped. I can tell based on the pixels on the edges, and also because I’ve seen a lot of ‘shops in my time and can tell them apart by looking carefully.

      • hater

        well this a real picture is from the whitehouse situation room when they were capturing bin laden. it was actually general marshall web sittin in that chair instead of balotelli. so u can tell without looking at pixels.

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  • The Fox

    The time its taking for Nash to decide Raps could be losing out on other opportunities.  I hope a deadline is in place so they can move forward quickly with other FA’s.  I personally would love Dragic here.

    • Nilanka15

      It looks like Houston will hold onto Dragic at all costs.  There’s no way they choose to keep Lowry considering his clashes with McHale.

      • guest

        Wrong again!

        • Nilanka15

          I learned a long time not to waste time arguing with fanboys.  It’s like trying to discuss evolution with creationists.  It’s an exercise in futility. 

          As a result, you’re officially on my ignore list.

          • onemanweave

            I think if you follow evolution back far enough, to the Big Bang or the ancient ooze, it requires as much a leap of faith as creation.   Kind of what you tend to have faith in, but let’s not discuss it.

            • dalmatino

              absolute truth: even the atheists, they firmly believe that God doesn’t exist, but when you mention that they are believers, too, they got angry. Strange, doesn’t it?

              • Nilanka15

                But when you mention to theists, that they are indeed atheists when it comes to other religions’ gods, they get angry.  Strange, isn’t it?

                😉

                • dalmatino

                  Being an atheist is by definition a person who doesn’t believe in any higher being, doesn’t it, Nilanka? My point is that they BELIEVE but they don’t want to admit it. We are all – believers, the only difference is – in what do we believe?

                  Strange, isn’t it?

                • Nilanka15

                  You’re associating the word “belief” with “religion”.  There is no correlation between the two.

                  Atheists don’t believe in god.  That doesn’t mean they don’t believe in anything.

                • dalmatino

                  Thank you, that is exactly my point – they are believers and in what they believe is – their religion. Capish?

                • Nilanka15

                  Sorry, I don’t agree.  Religion and beliefs are not synonymous.

                  I “believe” that Nash will improve our roster next season.  That’s not a religious belief based on dogmatic principles.

                • dalmatino

                  It is just – your opinion. This whole morning you go forth and back with Destro and some others arguing the difference of – opinion. It is your opinion to disagree and mine is to absolutelly – agree ( with my opinion ).
                  Do you want to continue this opinion(ated) discussion?

                • Nilanka15

                  You could make that claim about every topic ever discussed on RR.  But it shouldn’t cease discussion.  Anyways, in this case, I don’t want to continue simply for the sake of staying on topic.

            • Nilanka15

              Faith, by definition, is belief without evidence.  That’s not something I subscribe to.

              Science doesn’t claim to know all the answers, but it’s methodology is based on reason, logic, validity and reliability. 

              I have no problem admitting that we (as human beings) don’t have the answers to all of life’s questions.  But I do have a problem with choosing magic is the default answer.

        • guest

          “Many assumed that the Houston Rockets would easily re-sign point guard Goran Dragic, but it appears negotiations have not gone as planned so far. Dragic is seeking a contract that would pay him in excess of $10 million a season, and the Rockets are unwilling to meet that price at this time, according to ESPN’s Marc Stein.”

      • hater

        new reports are sayin that dragic not likely to return to houston, contract demands too crazy

        • Nilanka15

          Yeah, ‘guest’ was kind enough to show that above.  The only thing for certain, is that nothing is for certain 😐

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    Landry Fields has got an offer from BC. Good player who got worst without coach D’Antoni. Still a IQ player

    • Nilanka15

      Source?

      He’s not the “impact SF” we’re looking for, but he’s a solid player.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        His girlfriend twitted or wrote somewhere than removed. So could be real. BC doing so could prevent S&T Suns NYK for Nash

        • Destro

          oh his gf twitter,well ok then i thought it a non credible source,im all in now……..

          • hater

            wel its confirmed now see wut happens when u open ur big mouth smh

  • Raptorboy

    Nash…Ilyasova…Fields…this is what I love about Coangelo. He’s an excellent judge of talent. Dragic and Sessions can play, but landing Nash is a different beast altogether. Love the possibilities that BC is working on. If we land Nash and one of either Ilyasova or Fields we will be beginning the season with a solid squad!!

    • Destro

      BC is a terrible judge of talent,where you been the last 4 seasons ?
      Ramon Sessions is awful lol..Landry Fields ? lol

      The last 16 yrs has taken its toll on some of you lol…

    • Truthkiller

      Yeah a good judge in talent if you like your starting point guard to be revolving doors, i.e Calderon, Nash, Sessions

      • Destro

        forget about PGs you could literally add hundred names to that list…since 06 just think Turkoglu,Ukic,Slokar you could go on for a while if you googled…

        lol @ him being a good judge of talent…how come hes had TWO playoff appearances in 6 seasons ?

        • FLUXLAND

          Andre Barrett baby!!! 

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    • cb

      trollolololol.

  • Nilanka15

    Michael Grange was on Sportsnet 590 this morning, and the way he reasoned the Nash signing was as such:

    [Paraphrasing]: The Raptors have no intention of committing to a full on tank (i.e. gutting the roster, and ensuring a top-3 pick for the next 3 years).  Nash represents an opportunity to re-invigorate a starving fanbase, get the “kids” some playoff experience, and then see what championship-calibre additions can be made in 3 years.

    Given MLSE’s game plan, signing Nash seems like the smart thing to do, on and off the court.

    • Destro

      Forgive me if i dont care what Michael Grange thnks about basketball…

      • Nilanka15

        You’re free to think anything you want of Grange.

        But I respect Grange’s opinion.  Him, along with Chisholm are two of the most underrated local hoops writers, providing well thought out, logical analysis, and aren’t afraid to provide critique when warranted.

        • sleepz

          Chisholm is turning into Doug Smith. No critical analysis, just going with the Raptor Management talking points now.

          Grange’s analysis of seeing what “championship calibre additions can be made in 3 years” is hog wash.

          The hidden beauty of all this is Colangelo is probably going to fall into a good draft pick. The addition of Nash only needs one long term injury (not wishing it but 38 playing in the cold with a bad back?) to him to send the Raps quickly back into the lottery.

          Signing Nash is business and has nothing to do with building a contending team with sustainability. Colangelo never had this in mind to begin with and it was all talk last year when he decided to “rebuild”.

          • DC

            Grange is an idiot. Championship pieces!!!! lMAO. What championship pieces can be added. No one’s gonna be fightning to come play with a 40 year old steve nash at the time. With at best an 8th seed first round knockout on his resume. Maybe Dwight will open up his list of teams to play for by then and the raptors be on there. 

            • Nilanka15

              Like I said, I was paraphrasing.  It’s not far-fetched to assume that guys like Bargnani, DeRozan, Valanciunas and Ross turn into very reliable NBA players in the next 2-3 years while playing with Nash.

              And we still have draft picks coming in.  Just because we won’t be in the lotto, it doesn’t mean we won’t have an opportunity to add talent to our roster.

              In 3 years, we could find ourselves in an Indiana-type situation, needing a few pieces here and there to take them over the top.  You never know…

              • The Truth

                 I can believe DeRozan and Jonas still have enough upside for that to happen, but Bargs? Come on.

                • Nilanka15

                  I loathe Bargs as much as the next guy.  But yes, I have that much confidence in Nash’s abilities.  I can see Bargnani having a very efficient season (offensively) with Nash running the point. 

                  But he’ll still be a pylon defensively.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            Signing, the attempt to sign Nash is just one big ol pr spin from BC designed to play on the fan base emotions ie Jay as 1st Canadian NBA head coach, rather than it’s logic.

            BC lies like a politician yet some folks love his lies while ignoring the truth that he’s fucking up the Raptors right in front of our lying eyes- 17th in attendance from 9th just a few years ago…..

            BC wants Nash to get some butts in the seats not to win games……. smh

            REBUILD/BUILD was just a BC pr spin on losing games due to his decisions as both President & GM of Raptors basketball.
             
            Both BC & Casey said in the season ending presser that the REBUILD/BUILD was over- how dumb do they think that the collective Raptors fan base really is about basketball as it’s not year 3 in the TDot?

            • Destro

              Zactly bruh-ski
              Its a total PR move,he knows fans and media here are fckn idiots and will eat up this hometown hero capt canada BULLSHIT….anyone with a slight pedigree of b-ball IQ knows this move is destined to fail….

          • Destro

            Why does this contradiction get glossed over ? Fans and media in this town are beyond hypocrites….
            HE fucks up lies about the reasons he has to rebuild,then cant stop shutting up about rebuild,then when cap room permits he tosses all his code words out the window to overpay for an aging “capt canada”

            Why is that not more scrutinized speaks volumes about how gutless this town is when it comes to objective unbiased opinions and writing…Any other GM in any other city would get ripped for what BC has and is doing but HERE we ALLOW it to go on unchecked under the false guise of “hes a God,i trust in BC” type lame monikers and speeches…How the media falls for it tho is truly funny….The media here esp b-ball media is so lame and soft….

          • Thetruth

            with all do respect, no one is as bad as Doug Smith. Almost everything he writes is worthless. I have no idea why the star still keeps him around.

        • Destro

          Meh i dont read chisholm so i have no opinion,i tend to disregard Grange’s opinions and commentary because they tend to to tow the company lines BS like the majority of shitty sports writers that write for this team…

      • ckh26

        He’s an accredited journalist writing for a major newspaper. You on the other hand type up crap in your parents basement and post it on this free for all forum.  The forum is entertaining. You… not so much.

    • arsenalist

      Yeah, I actually heard that and was like WTF is wrong with him.  It’s one thing to drink the koolaid, another to shower in it.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    BC yells defense then goes after Nash as his big off season f/a target the only starting pg worse than Jose on defense in the NBA- actions speak louder than pr hyped words words….

    Nash most likely isn’t coming to the TDot or he would have signed/agreed already he’s using the TDot as leverage with NY & Dallas (I think he’ll end up in Dallas w/ Dirk or NY 2nd).

    TRoss won’t be anyone’s back up for long if at all this kid is super talented he will force Casey to play/start him once he learns Toronto’s system.

    BTW DHoward (& Turk/Anderson) can still & most likely will end up in NJ for BLopez (S&T), KHumpries(S&T), MBrooks & 3 #1 draft picks (2013, 2015, 2017) leaving NJ with a starting 5 of:

    DHoward
    Turk 
    GWallace
    JJohnson
    DWill

    And still have their full mid level exception to play with.

    The Rap’s look like the least in the Atantic so far for 2012-13.

    NY: Looking for pg to add to Big 3.
    Bos: Big 3 (re-sign RAllen?). Re-sign Bass. Nice draft (Sullinger/Melo). Rondo.
    NJ:  GWallace & JJohnson are on board. DH on the way? DWill?
    Phi: Solid draft (Harkless, Moultrie). Young team rising after playoff run. LWilliams re-sign?
    TO: BC is in charge where defense means offense….AB still the team’s center piece.

    BC is on his way to fucking up the Raptors once again as the other teams in the East & Atlantic get stronger the Raptors playoff hopes get longer…..time will tell.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      As well NJ wants to add AK47, NKristic plus with Jason Kidd wanting to back up DWill they look to be potentially very solid and should be able to attract some vets for the min to fill out their rotation/roster ala Mia.

      • Destro

        Good i hope they sign Kirilenko better then than us….i want no parts of him right now,this aint 2005….

      • Mapko

        You do realize that even getting DH12 is cutting it close WRT salary cap.
        DH12, D Will & JJ alone are well over 50 mil. They MIGHT have mini-mid at most for the rest of the roster. AK47, Krstic, Kidd will NOT pay for veterans min.
        As for Miami, at the time they had Mid-level at approx 7 mil. New CBA -Mini-mid level only (3.1 mil).

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      Are you on Prozac man ?

    • Nilanka15

      Despite Brooklyn’s improvements, Raps should make the playoffs with Nash as a 7th or 8th seed.  Nobody will be confusing this team for a championship contender, but considering the options, Nash represents the best “realistic” strategy.

      I know you don’t believe in tanking, so we’re not going to find talent with a top 5 pick (we’re too good to fall that low in the lottery even without Nash).  What else would you have Colangelo do?  Does acquiring Lowry make us any better next year than Nash?  I personally don’t think so.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        I call bullshit………

        Rap’s won’t sniff the playoffs after the All Star break next season w/ or w/o Nash plus they will most likely be the weakest team in their own Division barring injuries.

        The Nash kool aid BC has been pouring seemingly has taken the desired effect as the media hypnotizies many minds of the Raptors fan base.

        It’s not about what I want BC to do it’s about what he is going/trying to do.

        • Nilanka15

          You don’t agree that Nash makes players around him better?

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            Take you little drama and step, buddy……smh lol

            • Nilanka15

              lol, so typical.

              Your ability to type sentences without actually saying anything is nothing short of remarkable.

              • Destro

                BUT i think hes saying they dont make the ‘offs with nash,dont get so emotional….

                • Nilanka15

                  His exact words were “raps won’t sniff the playoffs”.

                  Well, we didn’t sniff the playoffs last year either, so he’s concluding that Nash won’t have any positive effect on our roster.

                  Therefore, my question posed to him about Nash making players better, is a valid one (not based on any “emotional” response).

                  Clear?

                • Destro

                  Dogg stop nit picking everything…if they win 2 more games nxt year cuz dont mean shit….playoffs or not..

                  Fck all this do we improve,improving without playoffs is irrelevant esp when youve fucked ur cpa space to acquire said player and moved out of lottery contention….

                • Nilanka15

                  Do we “fuck” cap space in a S&T?  Nope.

                  Your sky is falling schtick is getting tiresome.

            • Rsvpage

               That’s a really lame reply, little boy.

            • hater

              give a properr reply dummy i wana see u answer the question man the fk up.

          • Destro

            overplayed narrative and no way in hell Nash makes this a playoff team…..and i would put up a cash bet against anyone (paypal) to prove this…..Assuming Nash is our only FA
            25-28 wins…30 max and 10th 0r 11th place finish….

            • Nilanka15

              lol, I’ll be happy to take your money.

            • LTDupside

              Sign me up for that bet as well. Any other takers? This could get interesting for young Destro… :-p

            • Nilanka15

              You do realize that 30 wins in an 82 game schedule is basically the same winning percentage is our 23 wins last year, right?

              What you’re saying is that Nash added to our roster (with better young talent in Valanciunas and Ross) doesn’t make a lick of difference in the W-L column.  That my friend, is the definition of talking outta yer ass.

              • Destro

                After the roster moves are completed we can agree on a over under number and even have a separate bet for playoffs…

              • Destro

                I dont value him at 38….*shrugs*
                He has less to work with than he had in PHX…
                With bargs,nash you have a team that will be last in the league in pts allowed per game….I believe it will be a disaster….Short term memory dont u remember the summer of 2009 ?
                how’d that turn out ?

                • Nilanka15

                  Are you suggesting that Turk and Nash are similar calibre players?  If so, I don’t have anything else to say.

                • Destro

                  Career body of work obviously not….i think Turkey-do coming off his best year in orlando had as much value expected for me as Nash does coming in here at this stage of his career…I think they’re both overrated but Nash obviously is and was the better player…

                • Nilanka15

                  I think they’re respective work ethics are/were the biggest contributing factors.

                  Nash is a workhorse.  Turk eats pizza.

                • Destro

                  Why doesnt he work on the defensive end then ?

                  How many times do you watch him throw the ball away then quit on the play and not get back….

                • Nilanka15

                  Your guess is as good as mine.

      • DC

        Are you serious NJ will be waaay better then us even if we do get nash. Are you crazy. DWill, J Johnson, Possibly Dwight > Raptors whole roster. This team is easily the worst team in this division with or without nash. Their roster isn’t better then NY’s, Phila’s, Boston, or NJ’s = last in the division. Don’t know how exactly you plan on making the playoffs with the worst roster out the division and being in last place. 

        • John

          It is the fan boy mentality :) There is no REAL logic behind it.

        • Nilanka15

          You’re giving FAAAAR too much credit to an overhyped Knicks team.  Without Nash, they’ll be scratching and clawing for the 8th seed.

          How is Philly’s roster without Iggy better than our Roster with Nash?

          Orlando is a lottery team without Howard.

          Even the Bulls look to be a .500 team without Rose.

          I don’t understand how people refuse to acknowledge the “Nash effect”.  Chris Paul is the only other PG who could turn a team around single-handedly.

          • sleepz

            The Knicks team however still made the playoffs last year and have another year to learn to play together. Their roster has more talent that the Raps.

            Philly is better as they still have Iggy at this time, and of course the fact that they actually made the playoffs last year and have another year together as a team.

            Celts are better than the Raptors as well.

            Orlando is a lottery team but Brooklyn isn’t anymore.

            I agree the Bulls could and most likely be a .500 team without Rose, but with that coach and the pieces they have left I would still take them over the Raps.

            Nash will make the players around him better but I don’t think he can have the same impact as Paul can on a team (right now at this stage in their careers) and Paul in LA for instance has WAY more of a supporting cast than Nash does. Not a knock on Nash at all but when they players you are linking up with are Andrea Bargnani and Demar DeRozan and you’re trying to find chemistry with rookies, fillers and the other collection of cast-offs Colangelo has assembled your “hopes” are becoming more optimism than being rooted in whats real.

            • Nilanka15

              Optimism versus pessimism, really comes down to opinion versus opinion.  Not something I wish to get into.

              We’ve all seen what Nash was able to do with Gortat, Frye, Hill and Dudley.  I’m not being a homer by suggesting that Bargnani, DeRozan, Valanciunas and Ross/Free Agent present much more upside (and in a weaker conference).

              Nash was a very productive player as a 38 year old.  I don’t expect a noticeable drop off as a 39 year old.

              • sleepz

                I don’t know if I would call it pessimism. Rather I’m looking at the teams that actually made the playoffs last year (knicks, philly) and with no reason to necessarily downgrade them, I have to then look at our situation and how it relates.

                I’m not arguing the merits of Washington for instance, who I’m sure thinks they are going to make the playoffs next year. I just don’t know if Nash along with 2 rookies is going to take a 23 win team last year into the playoffs without issue.

                It’s a fair aargument to say that even with Nash they are arguably still the worst team in their division.

                • LTDupside

                  It’s also a fair argument to say that if all things go better than expected, they could be competing for a 5 seed.

                  Optimism vs. pessimism. Pessimists always think optimists are being “unrealistic” and they they themselves are simply “realists”. Nilanka’s right: it’s just opinion vs. opinion.

                • Destro

                  Dishonest arguing going on here..
                  So basically were willing to give Raps the benefit of the doubt they will improve immensely despite there track record and no playoffs BUT were willing to downgrade proven playoff teams that havent made ANY changes yet….smh @ that stupid ass homer logic… 

                • hater

                  you should never stick your big ol ugly tonka truck head into a debate dummy smh.

                • Destro

                  MAAAAAAD :)

                • sleepz

                  I’m trying to go with the proven, results of last year as a means of trying to forecast what will or can happen next year.

                  I think there is more of a basis to assume these other teams maintain or increase their position than the Raps leapfrogging them with the addition of Nash.

                • Nilanka15

                  In no particular order, I see the top teams in the East to be:

                  1. Miami
                  2. Chicago
                  3. Boston
                  4. Indiana
                  5. New York

                  Brooklyn hasn’t signed Deron, or landed Howard yet.  Without those guys, they’re awful.

                  Philly, even if they retain Iggy, was an 8th seed.  Hardly a lock.

                  Atlanta is a lotto team without Johnson.  But it’s yet to be seen what they do with their expiring contracts.

                  Washington, as you eluded to, should take a step forward next year.

                  IMO, 6, 7 and 8 are completely up for grabs.  And Nash added to our roster, is a vastly improved team.  This is ignoring the fact that Colangelo will improve the SF position as well.

                • Destro

                  Just a minute ago u said the Knicks were overhyped but now youve have them being better than last season…

                • Nilanka15

                  They are indeed overhyped.  But my list above is a best-case scenario for them. 

                  The Knicks were better under D’Antoni with Lin running the show.  I have no idea what to expect from a Woodson/Lin/Melo orgy.  They could figure it out, or they could fall apart.

                • sleepz

                  Brooklyn hasn’t signed Deron which is true. If they do would you still rank the Raps ahead of them?

                  Philly is not a lock as well, however if they stood pat this year (which is possible) I would still have to put them in fornt of the Raps based on their play last year and the chance to improve again.

                  Atlanta is without Joe but they have Horford for the full year and Josh is still there. This is another instance in which I am siding with the team that is established.

                  Washington is blah as far as I’m concerned. They are in the same boat as the raps are in that they are thinking acquisitions will proper them forward. What about Milwaukee, what about Orlando if Howard is not traded? I just don’t know how much of a leap is reasonable with Nash being the major addition. I like JV and Ross but unless one or both step up as key pieces I think the Raps are looking at “competing for the playoffs” and I would have rather kept the course of a rebuild than change course because we have a chance to sign a 38 year old Steve Nash for max money.

              • Destro

                Why cuz hes capt canada or because hell give us more effort cuz hes back home ?
                I think its beyond illogical to not expect decline from a 39 yr old on tired legs…
                People tie to much intangibles to there optimism with Nash…

                HEs 39,slow and lacks foot speed and his production has dropped the last few yrs….and his body is going to start breaking down (saw it last season-back inj)

          • Destro

            Sixers without Iggy are a better team than us with Nash….

            So your trying to say Nash is the 2nd best PG in the league currently ? ONLY CP can single handedly turn a team around ? is that PGs or players in general…cuz thats a complete crock of shit and fanboy extremism…..

            • Nilanka15

              I’m referring to PGs only.

              Rose doesn’t have that ability. 

              Deron doesn’t have that ability.

              Rondo might, but that’s debatable.

              Parker?  Wall?  Lowry?  Westbrook?  Holiday?  Jennings?  Nope.

              Paul?  Yes.

              Nash?  Yes.

              • Destro

                So your stating Nash is 2nd best PG in the league ?

                • Destro

                  You would take Nash over Rose,Westbrook,Rondo,D-Will ?

                  Rose and D-Will dont have the ability to turn a team around and win games on there own is just an outright lie…..

                  Dogg i know you like hyperbole but even you dont beleive some of this BS…

                • Nilanka15

                  I guess I wasn’t clear enough.  Nash and Paul are the only 2 PGs in the league who make their teammates considerably better.  This is what I was referring to above.

                  Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, and Deron and amazing players, and I would take them in a heartbeat over Nash. 

                  But none of them turn Marion into an all-star, or Boris Diaw into a triple-double threat. 

                  Nash (and Paul) make mediocre players look better than they are, based on their innate ability to create easy looks for anyone and everyone. 

                • Destro

                  Boris Diaw is not a trip dub threat…and Shawn Marion was a multiple time all star BEFORE Nash arrived in Phoenix….biggest myth created is what Nash did for Marion and Stat….THEY did as much FOR Nash as vice versa…they WERE both all stars before nash arrived….

                  Define how nash is 2nd best at making his teammates better ? Dont just say it as a talking point because you like him….assists per game ?

                  Its a fabrication..hes barely a top 10 point at this point in his career..hes not on the same level with any of those guys anymore….i would argue he was as much a detriment to those mid 2000 Suns teams as he was a help..because his lack of defense at the poistion is why they could never beat the Spurs….he couldnt contain Parker…thats where they always lost those series,on the def side…PHX had to hide his ass on Bowen on D to mask his liabilities….

                  Just wait til the season begins,hopefully we can set up a betting side forum in here,cuz this is gonna be easy money….

            • Nilanka15

              Nothing extremist about that.  Just an acknowledgement that Nash is one of the greatest PGs of our generation, and still has plenty of game left in the tank.

              You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it’s not true if it makes you feel better.

              • Destro

                Id rather stick my head in the sand then pretend a 38 yr old who plays no D is the answer to this teams problems….

                • Nilanka15

                  I never said he’s our answer to the Raptors problems.  I’m saying he’s the best option considering the circumstances (i.e. the circumstances being our favourite team owned and operated by individuals who don’t want to rebuild properly through the draft).

                • Destro

                  i dont agree that he is the best option….

      • John

        “What else would you have Colangelo do?  ”
        After 5+ years, put this team in the path to compete in NBA and I mean in the “path” !! Being 7 or 8 after all these years is NOT enough anymore because that is pretty much where we started. 
        He needs to the rebuild the right way or he has not done anything special. But who cares, Fan Boys like you will give him a pass and will try to make excuses for him and justify his action as much as they can. 

        • Nilanka15

          lol, I’m anything but a BC fanboy.  I’m a realist.

          How do you rebuild a team when management/ownership doesn’t want to rebuild?  It’s an obvious question, with an obvious answer.  You can’t.  So what’s the point crying about it?

          I agree that a “proper” rebuild is in order.  But like Gots2Go has said many, many times, that starts with getting rid of everybody not named Valanciunas.  But is that going to happen?  Hell no.  So why are talking about it as if it’s a possibility? 

          I see value in Nash as a Raptor, both on and off the court.  That doesn’t make me a BC fanboy. 

          • Destro

            You’re not a realist when you say things like Nash is the 2nd best PG being able to single handedly turn a team around…

            Theres no realist in that sentiment,your opinions of him are rooted in delusion and grandeur…

            • Nilanka15

              See above.

              I love this idea that Nash is a crippled old veteran incapable of crossing the street without a guide dog.  It makes me laugh when people believe it.

              • Destro

                Hyperbole doesnt help your argument…
                HE does have back problems…and did miss time last season….IT MATTERS

                • Nilanka15

                  Hahahaha!  Nash missed a whopping 4 games last year.  Batum missed 7.

      • ghost

        Nash makes us more exciting but not so sure he makes us that much better than Lowry next year. In year 3 of his contract, I’m betting that Lowry would make us much better.

        • Nilanka15

          I’m working under the assumption that at some point in the next 3 years, Colangelo finds someone to take over for Nash (via draft or trade).  Myck Kabongo?

          • I like it

            +1

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      NJ also has rookies PG/SG Tyshawn Taylor (Kansas) & PF Tornike Shengelia (Georgia, Russia) to add to their roster mix.

    • enlightenment

       Dhoward cant sign if JJohnson signs.
      Do your research bro.

    • FAQ

      ***************BREAKING NEWS*****************

      NASH SIGNS WITH TORONTO RAPTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

       

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    What was the NBA lockout about again?

    I still see star players demanding trades to certain teams.

    Questionable f/a’s getting offered ridiculous contracts.

  • Muttonfish

    Toronto will never contend for a championship. So, might as well just enjoy the nash circus!! Small victories boys

  • DC

    I really hope Nash doesn’t come here just so this blows up right in BC’s face. He’s about to offer a 38 year old 12 mill a year and even wants to up his offer? WTF is he doing. This isn’t a KG situation where you have a championship club. This is a position where you haven’t even been close to the playoffs in years. Just imagine if Nash doesn’t sign here. Cuz you can tell just by how BC is handling this that Nash is Option A, B and C for him. He’s grasping at straws and trying to save his job because he knows if  nash don’t come save him he not gonna have a job no more. Because his roster is extremely flawed with or without nash.  I would love to see what BC says to Jose then. ” Uhm sorry this is the 3rd year in a row I tried to trade yo ass, No hard feelings, right?” LIterally if he doesn’t get nash he should really just blow this whole shit up because there’s no point in working with the “core pieces” any longer and hes gonna lose his job anyway mine as well.

    • DoNDaDDa

      really…. its fans & media types like u that make T.O one of the last places some players want to sign..not the weather…with soo much negative bull shit floating around our top sports teams we’ll be stuck in lotto pick land for the next 20 years & still get no meaningfull talent..everyone thinks there a GM these days, yet some of there ideas are no better then BC’s… ya lets go out & drop 10mill on Dragic..LOL no thanks…wait i know.. lets trade for lowry.. he only a bigger baby then big baby..& a bigger bitch then D.Howard…No thanks..
       if Derrick Rose or Rondo or chris paul were willing to come here im sure BC would be all over that.. but there not, whats BC supposed to do?? grow a PG in a test tube???do nothing until 1 magicly shows up??  i for 1 am growing very tired of all the arm chair GM’s spewing there negativety all over this board.. half u dont even seem interested in having a grown up conversation.. u just seem to want to troll..very sad

      • FLUXLAND

        “its fans & media types like u that make T.O one of the last places
        some players want to sign.”

        ummm.. no.  Establishing a profit chasing culture instead of chip building one does that.

        How narrow minded do you have to be to accuse the fans that pay for the tickets as the ones prevent players from coming here? I’m pretty sure any players that’s seen Raps playoff games understands this is the most hardcore and loyal fan base in the L.

        Don’t like RR?  Who’s forcing you to come here? Troll. No one cares what you are tired of, kiddo.

        And grown up conversation? This from the guy who claimed yesterday it’s OK to overpay Nash but BC has to underpay everyone around him. Yeah, that’s brilliant strategy for team chemistry; that way Nash gets the glory when the team wins and his team mates thrown under the bus when it loses. No, really, brilliant stuff there mate.  Where do you come up with this stuff? In the sandbox?

        • DoNDaDDa

          your right fans who pay for tickets have every right to voice there opinions.. it doesnt give them the right to rip everyone elses opinions & spew negative comments toward others..by the way i never said they should under pay everyone next to nash.. i said they should be carefull not to overpay.. big difference… if u let go off all that hate u seem to have for others comments maybe u would read them a bit more care fully & truelly understand what some on here are trying to say..nobody is sitting here trying to belittle u for your opinions

          • FLUXLAND

            OK, so where and how do you make the leap and claim the fans are the ones preventing players from coming here?  Nice dodge, btw.
            (Many of the recent posters on there would require you to back that up with facts and sources)

            You are spending too much time worrying about how someone says something; your sensitivity is of no concern me, nor is what you are tired of. The Net is not a  Kumbaya circle retreat, oh Sensitive Pimp.

            Again with the semantics. If you don`t overpay, you are underpaying. How many players feels they are getting what they are worth? Still, you think undermining and low-balling (being careful in your world) the supporting cast is the way to operate. Brilliant, really.

            • dalmatino

              you can value someone work and pay a) more than he is worth – overpay; b) less than he is worth – underpay and … c) exactly how much someone is worth.
              Personally, I think signing Nash won’t be ” overpay ” situation. He is still dominant on the position where he plays and marketing wise, he is worth of ton of money. So this is business and sport and also a win-win situation for everyone: the organization, player, Canada basketball Association and fan base.

              • FLUXLAND

                Exactly how much is someone worth and how is that determined? Interesting concept on paper, but many people at any position feel they are paid fairly? 

                And you are right, here it won’t be an overpay situation from ownership POV. But I don’t think the rest of the PGs in the L will feel that way. Same way a lot of them felt Jose was stealing money and a job from them, seeing how they felt they were better players than him. (statistical noise aside, and looking at what he has accomplished with the players around him)

                Dalmatino, haven’t seen you here lately, welcome back. (unless your one
                of those 1000 handles user)

                • DoNDaDDa

                  well nash at 38 still averaged a double double plus finished 2nd in the nba in assists he was an all star, he still has the ability to make everyone else around him better & shot the ball at a very high % from the floor & the 3pt… although in MLSE’s eyes they may see marketing money, BC & anyone who watches the game knows its far more then just that.. do u think the Knicks,Nets,Mav’s all have interest in nash for marketing purposes? he is still an elite PG in this league.. an aging one yes but he is still elite & has the right to be payed accordingly.

                • FLUXLAND

                  What his individual accomplishment may be is of no concern to me.  What his teams have done during his career leaves much to be desired, but hats off for even managing to get that far for someone who had his college coach label him as the worst defensive player he’s ever seen.  The problem is his style of play only works in one system, one that has yielded exactly 0 chips and allows for half a chance of winning games. (how many PHX games were extremely lob sided, due to the RnG wearing out the crap from it’s players)

                  I also do not think the rest of those teams are interested in having him in the same role as the Raps, soo apples and oranges, no?

                  What’s even funnier is that he himself called the whole situation a project, so besides marketing the Raps and cementing his hero status in Canada, why is he coming here?

                • DoNDaDDa

                  any role were nash isnt running the offence isnt a role he should be playing IMO.. hes hands down the best PG since Stockton, hes not corner 3 ball nash. & hes def.. not going to like watching Melo play ISO all night either.. the raps have been trying to RnG as u put it for some time now with no success because Jose as good as i think he is, isnt suited for that type of system.. last year we showed that with DC we can defend with a subpar PG on Defence.. nash isnt as bad at playing defence as some may suggest..although he may not have the lateral quicks to stay in front of the likes of rondo & Rose.. he makes up for it be playing very good positionally..also Nash hasnt exactly had an abundance of talent on any of the teams he led to the conf. finals. they were good players but buy no means were they ever as good playing anywere else.. with the exception of a pre Melo Amare in NY.

                • FLUXLAND

                  So, again this all about Nash and fan game to game gratification; not an attempt to establish a chip oriented organization.

                  And speaking of the talent he’s had and the results those team turned out, he’s coming here and is going to excel and reach new heights?  

                  PS. we didn’t show we can play D, we showed we can slow down the game and manipulate the defensive rankings. Do you really think any team is prepping for us from a “how are we going to handle that suffocating defense POV?  Ummm, yeah, no.

                • dalmatino

                  fluxy, I am ashamed to say, but my both sons are – soccer players, ( crying ) and they play rep level. So busy, busy summer for me, but I am always somewhere near the RR ( and wathcing you guys, watching you,… )

                • FLUXLAND

                  LOL.

                  Pending age, maybe they will suffer a growth spurt and all that soccer will translate to excellent bball footwork, once you turn them to basketball.

                  Toni K and Dino R are Dalmatinos!!    

                  ; ) 

                • dalmatino

                  yes. Proud Croats and Dalmatians. And don’t forget, please, late Drazen Petrovic, he was also from Dalmatia. And Roko Ukic, Stojko Vrankovic, Zan Tabak, too. Nice NBA team here.

                • FLUXLAND

                  I couldn’t bring up Petro man. Still can’t get over that.. no bigger tragedy in basketball.

                  Zoran Savic, Perasovic…

                  JUGO-PLASTIKA!!! JUGO -PLaSTIKA!!

                  Ahh, them were the days, brother. Them were the f days. 

            • DoNDaDDa

              ok.. the negative fans & negative media that T.O has out voice the sane rational fan & media types, it has for some time now. i cant say its not all warrented cause sometimes it is, but if it becomes the norm. then theres a problem.. sometime u need to let go of the rains & let the horses run… if there to much pressure on these young players all the time the pipes will burst.. get what im saying? anyways i dont want to get into a war of words with u. im just trying to make a point, voice my opinion..is that ok with u???

              also if one doesnt either overpay or underpay then obviously the only thing left would be to get payed what there actually worth…no more no less..nothing wrong with that is there??

              • FLUXLAND

                If players are feeling pressure and their pipes are bursting, I’m pretty sure, no I’m 100 percent sure, I don’t want them on this team. That just means airballs and blowouts during playoffs. Pack your stuff, time to go back to the D-L. ( I see you 1-2 FTs Anthony Parker, errant pass to Bosh vs NJ Jose and the like) 

                Yeah, it’s fine. I just have an issue with anyone claiming fans, (especially Toronto fans who have, regardless of the inferior product, displayed year after year immense loyalty and made this is a profitable outfit for the owners), are the ones responsible for players not coming here. Want to blame someone, look at the front office and specifically the people assembling these sub par teams. Not only is such a claim irresponsible, it’s down right ignorant. 

                Again, that logic is valid on paper, but show me someone who claims they are getting paid fairly and I will show you are real life Pinocchio.   

                • DoNDaDDa

                  i never said all fans.. just the very vocal negative fan & media type..which in my opinion is very rampant in T.O..as much as anywere in pro sports.. we do have some very loyal & possitive fans too..but far too many who prefer to just hop on bandwagons, or are quick to join in on witch hunts..IMO

                • FLUXLAND

                  OK.. you are still avoiding explaining your assertion that those negative fans are preventing players from coming here.

                   

                • DoNDaDDa

                  think about it.. it def. plays a part. ill admit more so with say the Leafs. but pro athletes hear stuff just as we all do.. B-Ball weve got the stigma attached to us that the US born players have aswell as the comments made by some outgoing players..ie(Bosh,Hedo,VC etc.)working against us too. we need to help change that stigma, as much as the players who play for our teams

                • FLUXLAND

                  Don, c’mon playa!

                  Those players made those comments based on their dealings with the organization. The only ones to spit on the fans were Bosh and Jose.

                  We need to do nothing but demand better from the organizational leaders and not accept what they give us. Thus far the majority of fans have been conditioned to think 8th spot is the NBA Finals and that we should be thankful for having BC in the front office.
                   

                • DoNDaDDa

                  also.. players are people too.. there not all immune to pressure cookers.. i wish they were but there not..

                • FLUXLAND

                  OK…so?  I want players that can relax, focus and execute during those cookers. not some yahoo that’s worried about what’s written about him in the paper or what the fans will say. 

    • Destro

      Actually this would blow up alot quicker if he DID sign here……not only would i stay away from going to any games in protest but i could watch this disaster unfold every night and watch the cameras zoom in on BCs frowns and other assorted odd facial movements when he sits there like a statue with his arms folded outside the tunnel every night…..

      Im going to enjoy every minute of BC sweatin on cam….wondering and thinking to himself how much longer does he have here YEA THAT look….think Mitch Kupchak during Game 4 in OKC ahahahaah !

      • Nilanka15

        Didn’t you suggest the Spurs would suck in the playoffs?  lol

        Just saying, your opinion isn’t any more accurate, reliable, or credible than anyone else’s here.  It would be wise for you stop acting as if it is.

        • Destro

          They did suck in the conf finals….they had 2 favorable matchups to get there….and then they died….

          • hater

            2 favorable matchups stfu.

            • Destro

              you just mad ur mom gets piped with black dick…faggot

          • Tesla

            “they had 2 favorable matchups to get there”

            Lmafaooooo.

            • Destro

              Yall try too hard because of a SN

              They beat utah the worst team in the playoffs with D Harris at PG and a young clipper team…thats called favorable matchups but yall dont know shit about NBA basketball which is why you dont understand matchups is everything….

        • george

          They lost 4 straight, to a team that lost 4 straight.

          • Nilanka15

            If reaching the conference finals is considered “sucking”, then I’m afraid we’ve set our expectations far too high…

      • dalmatino

        Does that mean you will leave RR and leave us to breath normal air, too? Please, please BC sign Nash. What a wonderfull additional reason for Nash’s signings.

  • dribbles

    We need a shooter at the 3 but preferably one who can guard his position. Nash, DD and Bargs are not exactly known for their defence (or put another way, they’re all terrible on that side of the ball, except for Bargs’ legendary 13 games), and JV is going to take some time to learn the NBA game and get stronger. I imagine Casey would want at least one good defender in his starting lineup.

    Ilyasova is best as a stretch 4, as far as I can tell. If we’re looking at other free agents, Kirilenko is probably a better overall fit even though he’s getting older. I still think there’s a good chance BC will swing a deal with Denver to get Chandler with Ed Davis and something else going back. I’m personally not a big fan but that looks like the most realistic scenario to me.
     

    • Nilanka15

      I see Chandler as a good fit.  I would much rather obtain Chandler through trade than attempt to throw $50 million at Batum (like what Minnesota is offering him).

  • Destro

    ID rather overpay for Batum than overpay for Gnash….YEP !

    • Nilanka15

      Where’s the logic in that?  Talk about fanboyism…

      • arsenalist

        Logic is that Batum is 23 and we need a small forward, and he fits in with the youth movement while having good experience.  He could be a mainstay in Toronto, whereas Nash is a rent-a-player.

        • Nilanka15

          I see the logic in going after Batum in general.

          But I don’t see the logic in OVERpaying for his services.  He’s an unproven player.  He may never reach the lofty expectations set by his high salary.

          On the other hand, Overpaying for Nash, provides much more bang for MLSE’s buck on and off the court.  You know what he’s capable of.  There’s no guesswork involved.

          • Destro

            HEs also capable of bad defense….reason why he never played a finals game…

      • Destro

        His athleticism and defense has more value than Nash does at this point in there careers…

      • Destro

        fanboyism = preferring a younger better piece who actually adds to areas of need (defense) So any player i name not Nash is fanboyism now,this is what youve become,smh

        FAIL 

        • Nilanka15

          Batum is better?  FAIL

          We struggled offensively last year.  Adding defense is supposed to help that?  FAIL

          I like Batum, but overpaying for an unproven player is how you give Bargnani a $50 million contract. 

  • Statement

    Getting Nash = Good
    Getting Nash and a competent SF or SG = now we are talking

    Keeping Calderon = Pretty Good
    Keeping Calderon and getting and competent SF or SG = now we are talking

    Basically, Nash or no Nash, the holes in this team are at the SF and SG positions. 

  • FAQ

    Nash would die playing with the pathetic Raptor roster of pseudo-NBA players.  He would be making his dipsy-doodle passes to guys who can’t score nor dribble.  He would look like a washed up b’ball veteran collecting a huge paycheck at the expense of the stupid tribal honking Moronto fans yelling their faces off while stuffing their mouths with junk.

  • Sammckee814

    @ESPNSteinLine Raptors and Landry Fields have agreed to 3-year offer sheet.

    • dalmatino

      Do you have more information?

      • hater

        its all over the internet. knicks have 3 days to match it after july 11. expected to be worth 20M with a 3rd year spike like asik’s……landry fields tho? come on man, dont like this move

        • Sammckee814

          it’s to get Fields out of the sign and trade the Knicks have to do to get Nash

          • hater

            still dont like it tho. basically means we’re paying even more to get nash than originaly..

        • Tesla

          $7 mil a year for Landry Fields!?  Omg…

  • Destro

    BC is fucking up again MAJORLY….i dont believe this shit….Hes doin it AGAIN…

    You sign a bum to a 3 yr 21 mil contract so you can then sign a over the hill point guard who plays no D…..BC is a cot damn fckn idiot…

  • basketball sage

    i’m curious to know how does landry fields improve our roster (read article below)?

    in light of having forbes, weems, derozan, ross, johnson and kleiza i’m suspecting that colangelo is adding bodies to better position the the options for a possible trade.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222021/Raptors_Agree_To_Three_Year_$20M_Offer_Sheet_With_Landry_Fields

  • DC

    Sign nash for 13 mil a year. Sign Landry fields for 7 mil a year. Im sure the whole eastern conference is shaking with fear as BC maneuvers and augments this squad. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. 

  • ckh26

    You have to love this stuff ! All year long the theme of the RR comment gang was we need a point guard. Not nice to have a point guard ,but Ddamit we need to have a big time point guard !! Well Nash.. even at 38… is still argurably one of the top 5 PG’s in the league and meets the spec of a big time point guard. So whats the response ?

    Over 50% on these boards  say this is not a good move….that he’s old.. that this move sets the franchise back. So boys.. Colangelo for better or worse is making a move to win now.. you want to live through another 28 and 54 season ? AND as an added bonus.. BC catches the insufferably arrogant and mornonic NY Knicks in a full cranial rectum inversion for all the world to see as he outplays them …The knicks and thier apologists in the media are saying they overpayed for Fields is just pure damage control. Amateurs.

    For a comparison… Houston just offered 25M for 3 years to a guy who scored 3pts a game. Now that boyo’s is overpaying on a galactic scale. 

  • FAQ

    ***************BREAKING NEWS*****************

    NASH SIGNS WITH TORONTO RAPTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!