$19M buys mad fly suits, yo.

So…Landry Fields for 3 years and $19M.

My initial reaction is that, in annual terms, it’s an overpay. But obviously, there are a lot of specific and extenuating circumstances surrounding the signing, and that complicates the analysis.

Further complicating the analysis is that I keep finding conflicting defensive metrics when trying to see if Fields’ defense via the eye test (he seems to be a decent man defender and even better as a team defender thanks to his high hoops-IQ and effort level) matches his numbers (it does for Adjusted +/-, but the limited Synergy Sports data I could access rates him poorly on a per-play basis).

So, with many factors affecting the analysis in all directions, let’s take a look, point by point, at the different aspects surrounding this deal.

These Contracts Are Bad
I’m not actually going to do this, but if you were to take all of the contracts in the NBA over the past decade, rank them highest to lowest in terms of yearly salary, and then chart some metric like WPA/$ or EWA/$ my guess is that you’d see a U-ish shape, whereby the best value comes at either end of the x-axis. That is, your best value is going to be with small (rookie, usually) contracts, or max contracts (with some exceptions, obviously). As Henry Abbott (and many others) have pointed out recently, it’s deals that are greater than the Mid-Level Exception (~$5M) and less than the near-max (say ~$14M) that tend to have the worst returns on a per-dollar basis. Thus, at $6.3M/yr, Fields comfortably falls in this danger zone of overpayment.

But, again, this is in the aggregate, and we can’t necessarily tag Fields as a bad deal just because others like him have underperformed similar deals.

This Contract, in Particular
$6.3M/yr is a big figure, but the risk is mitigated partially by avoiding a fourth year on the deal. Three years is an eternity in NBA terms, though, so it’s not a no- or even low-risk proposition. It’s tough to tell, based on varying metrics, if Fields is worth the money, but if we assume the generally accepted $2.5M cost per win, we would need Fields to produce approximately 2.5 wins above replacement per season to justify the cost. Based on Basketball Reference’s Win Share metric, Fields was worth 5.3 and 3.4 wins the past two years, while Hollinger’s EWA sees him as 3.4 and 1.2. I prefer BR’s method here because it includes some measure of defense (offensive and defensive rating are included), while Hollinger’s is purely offense.

So, even if Fields performed at his sophomore level (2011-12), which was well below his rookie baseline, he’d be “earning” his contract strictly in terms of $/win. This assumes he could maintain 30MPG on this roster, that he’d remain relatively healthy, and a few other assumptions, but since most seem to think The Real Landry Fields is somewhere between 2010-11 and 2011-12, a reasonable expectation might be a 4-win player.

Fields on the Raptors
Some have suggested that the large drop in Fields’ numbers last year were due to the shift in Knicks offensive philosophy from a D’Antoni-style, PG-oriented, pick-and-roll offense to an iso-heavy one with Carmelo Anthony eating up possessions like Boris Diaw at a wine-and-cheese event. This, people say, explains his precipitous drop in three-point shooting from 39% to 25%. After all, the Knicks had the 9th-lowest percentage of field goals assisted on in the NBA last year, so it’s possible that even though Fields’ usage rate increased, he had easy shots created for him far less often. This could be a criticism, but if we expect Jose Calderon or Steve Nash to be at the helm, it’s not really a big deal as Toronto and Phoenix were both top-11 in team assist rate.

But does the narrative make sense? After all, Steve Novak went gangbusters from downtown with Jeremy Lin at the helm. At the same time, the Knicks as a team fell from a 37% 3FG team to a 34% one, so maybe there’s something to it (or maybe they just lost three point shooters?). From an Xs and Os standpoint, a more motion-oriented offense should create more open opportunities by forcing defenses to rotate more, thus creating more open looks on the perimeter. However, an iso-heavy offense, if it involves good players, should force double-teams and open up drive-and-kick opportunities (for example, Atlanta was a top-5 3FG team in 2010-11’s ISO-Joe offense). In general, I’d say three point shooters should and will thrive more in a pick-and-roll style offense, but it’s not an extreme enough effect to explain such a huge drop in 3FG%.

What is troubling is that Fields also saw his FT% drop from 77% to 56%, seeing his TS% drop from 60% to 51%, a massive dip that, along with his dip in rebounding rate (more on that in a second), accounted for his entire PER drop from 13.5 to 12.1. Fields is probably more skilled as a shooter than his 52/26/56 (2FG%/3FG%/FT%, not FG/3FG/FT) from last year suggests, it also seems that his 2010-11 split of 56/39/77 may have been a bit of an abberation, as well. Maybe in an offense that fits him better, and with a clean bill of health, we can expect something in the 52/35/70 range, which would be acceptable for the role we expect him to play.

Defensively, Fields’ value will depend almost entirely on how well he (or DeMar) can adapt to playing the SF position. Below I’ve made a simple chart of every Raptor and their offensive and defensiver PER at each position last year, as well as (roughly) how many minutes that sample is derived from (I just multiplied 82games’s Minutes % by 3168, which is 48min x 66 games). Here we see that Fields certainly played the SF spot a fair amount, and it’s certainly possible that, at 6’7″, the Raptors have signed him as a Small Forward rather than a 2-guard. Then again, Dwayne Casey indicated his plan is to play a beefed-up DeMar at the three more, so it’s possible with those two and Terrence Ross we’ll be seeing more of a “2-wing” roster alignment rather than a typical SG-SF alignment. Regardless, here is the chart. (By the way, I could have used Off/Def rating as opponent PER isn’t necessarily a ‘fair’ way of assigning defensive value, but it’s what I went with. I also removed any samples smaller than 100 minutes, as 82Games.com has some curious position assigning in some cases.)

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A final note on Fields is that he has a reputation as a strong rebounding guard. At 6’7″, much of this advantage may come from his size for the position, and it would be less of an impact at the three. To wit, his 8.5% rebound rate last year ranked 8th among all 2-guards (in his rookie year, his 11.7% rate ranked second), but would have been tied with Rasual Butler’s Corpse for 35th among small forwards. For comparison, DeMar’s 5.6% rate was 51st among shooting guards and would have been 2nd-last to just James Jones among threes. I should point out that these stats simply can’t be transferred as is, as a change in position would lead to more/different rebounding opportunities, but I just wanted to illustrate that Fields’ reputation as a strong rebounder can only be assumed if he remains a two.

So…in general, Fields is a good, not great, player, who is probably a better fit with the Raptors’ current incarnation than the Knicks’. We can be guardedly hopeful for a return to his 2010-11 numbers, though a midway point between his two seasons is more realistic, which, it turns out, would make his $6.3M/yr salary a slight value based on Win Shares.

Steve Nash Tactic
Of course, all of this analysis has assumed that the Fields signing exists in a vaccuum, which it does not. It is a guerilla tactic against the New York Knicks, or so it seems. You see, the Knicks were working on a sign-and-trade deal for Steve Nash with Phoenix, and Fields was one of the assets the Suns were hoping to get in return. By signing him, the Raptors make it impossible for the Knicks to sign-and-trade him to Phoenix (they can match the offer, but he can’t be dealt in that case), unless of course Fields backs out before signings can become official on July 11. This isn’t a silly consideration, however, as it’s possible the Suns value Fields at more than a 3yr/19M deal and could therefore entice him to agree to a sign-and-trade, either by offering more money up front (the Knicks own his Bird Rights and therefore aren’t subject to the Gilbert Arenas Provision the Raptors were, capping his year 1 and 2 earnings at the Mid Level amount), more money overall, or by offering a guaranteed fourth year, say a 4yr/28M kind of contract. It remains to be seen if Fields would do this, and by all accounts he is a “good guy,” but good guys have done worse for less (see: Walter White).

So, yes, this impedes the Knicks’ ability to sign-and-trade for Nash, leaving their cupboard of assets very bare to entice the Suns. However, like when Bosh left here and LeBron left Cleveland, the Suns may be willing to facilitate for peanuts (in this case, Iman Shumpert), since otherwise they’d lose Nash for nothing. If Nash chooses New York over Toronto, and the Suns can find an amicable, cap-friendly deal to be had, there’s nothing further the Raptors can do. They took away New York’s biggest chip though, as the deal, to work under the cap, would now need to include Toney Douglas, Shumpert, as well as someone sign-and-traded at a significant dollar amount (though potentially non-guaranteed) going back to Phoenix to make the salaries work. So it’s a smart move, but if that’s the only purpose, it’s extremely risky since the Raptors could be left holding their proverbial dick if Nash still opts for the Empire State (or Dallas).

In pure basketball terms, Fields is the type of player Nash seems to bring the most out of, but Fields alone certainly isn’t going to convince Nash to come here….if he’s coming, it’s for primarily off-court reasons.

As a Jeremy Lin Tactic??
It was suggested to me that, since J-Lin and Fields are BFFs, it’s possible this move also served the second purpose of attracting Lin in the event the Raptors miss out on Nash. I don’t buy it, but thought I should mention it.

Cap Implications
So with Fields in the fold, what happens with the cap situation? If you look at the chart below, you can see that once the rookies are signed and Fields is included, the Raptors are out of cap space. The chart shows Ross and Jonas at 120% of “rookie scale” value which is the normal signing amount, but until they are actually signed they count for 20% less than the amount shown here (and no, I didn’t do this just to add confusion). How, then, would they give Nash the 3yr/36M deal that has been reported? Well, it means they damn sure have to use the Amnesty Provision or trade Jose Calderon. If Jose is amnestied, that clears up most of the room there if Sonny Weems’ rights are renounced. Additionally, the Raptors could trade Jose to a team with cap space and merely get a trade exception, pick, or low-level salary in return. The Raptors would also have the option of renouncing the rights to Bayless and using the Amnesty Provision on Amir, thereby clearning more than $10M.

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The most likely scenario seems to be an Amnesty of Jose to clear the space. While this makes me sad as someone who is a massive Calderon fan, Jose will get to move on to a winning situation based on him rumored suitors, so it’s not like he’s being sentenced to Charlotte or anything.

According to his agent (obviously an unbiased, trustworthy and reputable source…oh, wait…) the Raptors have made an undisclosed offer to Ersan Ilyasova. I don’t believe it, for several reasons. For one, the Raptors don’t have the cap space, and Ilyasova admitted he’s going to the highest bidder. Furthermore, the Raptors have more than enough power forwards on the roster, and it’s not clear if Ilyasova can play the three (see the first chart above – he played under 100 minutes there last year). While his floor-spacing and rebounding would be nice, a signing in the $8M annual range would be too cumbersome a cap situation. To bring Ilysaova, Fields, and Nash all into the fold would require a trade of Jose and an Amnesty of Amir (or vice versa), or some other maneuvering whereby assets are sacrificed, beyond just money and flexibility, for Turkish Josh Hartnett. I like the player, but I don’t see there being much to this rumor (at this point, anyway…things could change if Nash falls through) other than his agent creating a market for his client.

Tu Holloway
No, this has nothing to do with Fields, but I wanted to point out that Xavier Senior Point Guard Tu Holloway will be joining the Raptors’ Summer League team. I liked Holloway in college, and while his upside is low, you could certainly do worse than a minimum-contract flier as a third PG.

Well, the analysis is basically inconclusive, or incomplete, at this point because a) Fields could still back out, b) a lot of the reaction depends on the Nash situation, and c) you kind of have to look at offseason moves in their entirety rather than individually. But allow me to quickly summate what I think I was getting at here – Fields appears to be a great guy, a good player, an OK small forward option, and the Raptors got him at a slight premium over market value but potentially a slight discount under “book” value. The analysis was obviously difficult without a clear idea of the final roster composition, and the fact that Fields has had two wildly differing seasons to begin his career and we can’t be sure of his “true” talent level.

I mean, the internet laughed…but then kind of settled on “meh” as a response. The comments here at RR were generally harsh, but the site’s poll showed 67% support for the move. So…I don’t mean to be under-dramatic, but there were worse ways to spend the money, and if we end up with Nash we’re not really going to care too much anyway. Fields’ isn’t an outlook-changing acquisition.

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  • Balls of Steel

    The American media has successfully made out that the Raps’ front-office of five members, presented a video (which may be true) and possibly offering their first-born to Nash if he signs here. Personally, this is sooo old. ESPN and Sports Illustrated loves the Canuck reaction to stuff like this and we fall for it. First things, first. Landry is a good player and I (based on his first year’s numbers) will thrive under a pass-first PG in Calderon or Nash. Slight overpayment, yes, slight. However, the Fields offer sheet serves 3 purposes: to prevent a S&T with Phoenix, to get a decent option at SF (I believe his defense and knack for rebounding makes him a very suitable candidate for this – did start at SF last year prior to “Cancer” Melo’s arrival and finally as insurance in the Lin saga. They’re best buds, high Asian population and a better marketing opportunity for him in T-Dot. As fans we have two choices:

    1. Freak out because there’s $58 million between Nash and Fields.
    2. OR, we freak out because if BC chose to stand pat and sit on his cap space.

    Either way, the fan base in Toronto will eternally be unhappy. My choice, either landing Nash / Lin with Fields is fine with me.

    • Destro

      Either scenario should make you irate as a fan of this team

      -BC standing pat and getting nothing
      -signing nobody but Fields

      That is downright imcompetence and the spin doctoring by BC on that would be unbearable….

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Looks like Nash in going to NYC & the Knicks…

      BC tried to cock block NY w/ the Fields offer sheet and got cum all over his face just like the Riley CB scenario….smdh lol

      BC is a weak ass image over reality pr spin in the wind President & GM…

      BC preaches DEFENSE all last season and this guy’s 1st 2012 f/a move is to go after SNash the only starting NBA pg whose defense is worse than Jose is?

      Wtf is he thinking? BC is playing on the collective fan bases’ emotion rather than basketball logic.

      His REBUILD/BUILD media hyped rhetoric was nothing more than a pr spin on losing- the President/GM has no clothes!!!

      Overpaying for Fields like he’s an impact game changer (he’s a good rotation bench player for 3-4 mil per)- what was the NBA lockout about again?

      BC has no plan for the Raptors he is just winging it as he goes……

      BCism- we had Terrence (who I really like as a player) rated higher than anyone left on the board at #8- you mean to tell me that TDot brass had TRoss rated higher than ADrummond on their big board- let’s see it!

      They could have drafted Drummond and flipped him to a size seeking team (Hou) as their own leisure for players and/or draft picks and still maybe ended up with TRoss at #12 (at the worst Lamb).

      New minds, vision, voices & leadership is needed ASAP in the TDot…..

      • sleepz

        “…..had TRoss rated higher than ADrummond on their big board – let’s see it!”

        No doubt! lol

        I like Ross as well don’t get me wrong but I would definitely like to take a gander at that draft board and where he had those players positioned.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        3 yr 25 million plus.


        Or the Lakers look to have swooped in and got Nash in a S&T w/ Phoenix- WOW!!!

        He wants to be near his 3 kids in Phoenix so TDot was never really a choice….Kobe got involved with the recruitment…Lakers use their Odom TPE (CB TPE, do you know me?) to acquire Nash.

        NY was 2nd….. 

        • mountio

          fuck me .. hard to blame him .. but now are we ever left high and dry. For everyone against signing Nash .. lets brake out the better ideas asap!!

  • Truthkiller

    Like I said yesterday, Bryan Colangelo has a thing for selling bench warmers as young pieces of the future (i.e) Roko Ukic, Marcus Banks, Hassan Adams, Will Solomon, Jake Voskuhl, Pops, Joey Dorsey, Ben Uzoh, Quincy Douby and the latest addition Landry Fields. 

    • Balls of Steel

      So, Phoenix also wanted to sign & trade their franchise player / future HOF in Nash to a bench player in Fields? I think you have a bigger axe to grind with Lon Babby, not Colangelo.

    • SR

      Wow, that’s a nice list of roster filler.  Don’t recall anyone ever selling those guys as pieces of the future.  Fields also certainly does not belong on that list. There are many valid criticisms of Colangelo, but you just pulled that out of your ass.

    • DoNDaDDa

      none of the players u just mention were at anytime labeled pieces for the future..NEVER.. even Fields hasnt exactly been labeled that, more a pawn in the Nash chess match between BC & Dolan…u can say it all u like but it doesnt make it true in anyone elses mind but your own..

  • SR

    I really like these 3 year deals.  If it doesn’t work out, you’re really only looking at 2 years.  Any contract of any size is highly tradeable in its expiring year.  So, if this were to all work out, you’d be looking at having these young guys (Jonas, Ross, DD, Davis, Johnson, Bargnani, Bayless) spend a couple years playing with Steve Nash.  If it’s less than ideal, you hit the reset button in 2 years (trades) or 3 (FAs) and you’re more or less where the team is this offseason, only that core (whoever is still with the Raptors at that point) has 2-3 more years of development.  Then you’re back in the buyer’s market, but your core guys are not rookies anymore.  That’s a good thing.

    There’s also the argument that it’s much better to develop youth in a winning environment than in a multi-season tank.  It’s really, really hard to pull a perennial cellar-dweller out of its nosedive.

    • Destro

      Your ok with coming out of this off season with Landry Fields and nothing else ?
      I hope you’re joking….

    • Copywryter

      DD and AB have expiring contracts in 2014 and 2015. It’s reasonable to assume that Nash bloats their numbers and they chase big money elsewhere because of it. Actually we have a few contracts expiring in 2014…

      I guess my question is this…if OKC had taken this route and signed an expensive free agent in order to mitigate the team’s stink, would they have climbed higher into mediocrity and missed Durant? Or got Durant and ‘accelerated’ and missed Westbrook? 

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    Rumor: Nash agrees to Knicks (friend of NYK owner Randolph)(Amen)

    • Rob

      In pursuit of Steve Nash, Knicks offer Iman Shumpert to Suns in sign-and-trade, sources tell @ESPNSteinLine

      • Rob

        More tweets via @wojyahoonba:disqus 

        …The Knicks have emerged as frontrunners to land Steve Nash in a sign-and-trade deal, league sources tell Y! Sports.

        …..Knicks, Suns are in the critical stages of discussions on a sign-and-trade deal that would pay Nash $27M-$30M over 3 years, sources tell Y!

        ….NY package would include Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas and likely 3 low money players to get Nash salary needed to close gap on Toronto offer

        • jjdynomite

          On June 11th, get ready for 10,000 season ticket sales clogging up the phone lines… coming 99% from Markham (the other 1% along Spadina Avenue).

  • Nilanka15

    Breaking Bad final season premiers July 15th on AMC!!!

    • Copywryter

      Beats the hell out of the bad breaking I’ve been watching/reading in Raptorland since late June.

  • Nilanka15

    I thought Nash’s 3 teams were Toronto, Phoenix and Portland?  That’ll be the first and last time I trust Eric Smith…

    • Destro

      Eric Smith is an MLSE and Raptor mgmt hand puppet…

  • Nilanka15

    Although no official announcement has been made, apparently Nash needed his ex-wife to be willing to move the family to whatever city he chooses.  They used to live in New York.  There’s familiarity there.

    Can’t blame him for doing what’s best for his family.

    Colangelo needs to seriously rescind Fields’ offer now, regardless of consequences.

  • wesmantooth

    i think the knicks are a horrible fit for Nash!! melo is the biggest ball stopper in the league and cant play with other ball dominant players. amare and chandler would benefit.. to chose ny over  toronto would mean he thinks they’d compete and in contrast to what ive been saying about him making everyone around him better this isnt a fit and i dont think they’d be much better at all. melo cant win!
    with the raps he’d have 2 big men that love to run the floor and 3 athletic guards slash small forwards that play right into his style! jj dd and tross. 
    ny is a mistake for nash, and an insult to the raps and there generous offer

    • Nilanka15

      Get rid of Melo, and bring Wilson Chandler back to New York, and that team would be scary.

      • Destro

        You thnk Melo out and Chandler in and they get past the 1st round ?

        • Nilanka15

          Yup.  That’s a much more offense/defence balanced team.

          • Destro

            Replace Chandler with Melo and they dont make the playoffs dude stop it…..

            • Nilanka15

              Taking the ball out of Nash’s hands is not the best way to win ball games. That’s what Melo does.

              • Destro

                Steven Q Nash is your basketball God not mine…..

                • Nilanka15

                  Right.  DeRozan is your basketball god, lol.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Nash going to NY is smart if he wants to compete as in the TDot it’s Lottery stagnation time under BC.

      NY is a perfect fit for Nash as he has Chandler back there to erase any mistakes on defense plus the Nash/Amare pick ‘n roll/pop is a lethal weapon.

      He will get Amare, Melo, Chandler & company plenty of open looks they will love playing with Nash. Only concern is how the cold weather effects his back issues.

  • skeptical

    If Nash does sign with NY as current rumors suggest then it’s a blow to Toronto.  The Fields offer will be just another case of overpaying for marginal talent – not out of line for Toronto, and not something that people will remember or care about a few years down the road. The real loss comes from losing any speck of relevance the city has left as a destination. (If they can’t even attract a Canadian talent on the tail end of his career, how are the Raptors ever going to land and keep young talent? Pretty sure they just aren’t going to.)

    Also hard for me to visualize Nash and Melo on the same team, but maybe Nash is just hoping to help Stat get his game back? NY bigs would surely benefit from having Nash run the offensive show instead of seeing ball movement die with Melo all the time.

    • Destro

      It makes BC look like a complete clown…

      • skeptical

        I disagree that the Fields contract makes BC look bad.

        It was a reasonable gamble while pursuing a bigger goal, unfortunately it probably won’t pay off according to current speculation. Failing to meet your goal never looks good in a results-based business, but Toronto has little choice other than to swing for the fences when it comes to free agency.  (On the other hand, if the gamble worked then it would’ve been considered a scoop as long as Nash stayed healthy enough to play for the next couple of years.)BC might look like a clown by now, but that’s because of other contracts in the past that were bad deals from the start and near-trades that fell apart at the last minute.

        • Destro

          What was reasonable about a mediocre SF whom wont even start on THIS team ? You overpaid for a bum with no ceiling who you only signed to a sheet to bring in Nash whos going elsewhere now….This is an absolute embarrasing blunder and im ready to rank it as possibly the most embarrasing and disgraceful blunder in team history…at the very least its top 3….

          Sorry BC needs to get fried for this if we are stuck with Fields… 

    • John

       but colangelo didn’t sign him yet. what if when nash is traded before july 11th and resigned, then bryan might change his mind since there will be no need

  • Rob

    If all holds true, signing Landry Fields will be BC’s swan song.

  • Kujo

    There’s pie all over BC’s face.  That God commonsense prevailed, and Nash appears to be on his to NYC, where I always thought he’d end up.  Knicks will be contenders in the East for next 3 years, but they still won’t be good enough to beat the Heat.

    BC better rescind that joke of an offer to Fields.

    • Destro

      I was thinking about it and Sleepz was right YOU CANT rescind it now regardless because of the everlasting damage it will do around the league with players and agents…You cant rescind it now….BC is a fcukn embarrasment and this is his final act before he’s gone and what a debauchery it is….

      • Nilanka15

        I would rather rescind the offer and suffer the consequences, than get stuck with Fields’ contract without Nash.

        • sleepz

          Basketball is a business, but there is a code of the streets when it comes to these type of deals.

          Pull that deal as a GM and your rep is shot.

  • Statement

    So people are tweeting that Nash to NYK is more likely.

    Really, I’m indifferent to it all.  How’s about we fix our SG and SF positions.

  • sleepz

    BC is going to have to try and make another move for the sake of making a move. 

    Lin, Dragic, Ilysova or something. He can’t let the Nash stench remain lingering.

    I’m sure he is utterly regretting not moving on Lowry when given the chance to do so. Coming back to camp with Jose would be a reminder of what has happened as well (potential amnesty candidate – back to starting pg?) which he won’t want.

    I have a feeling that this was the last blow for Colangelo, unless Casey is able to get the team to overperform and make a playoff run this year, which I honestly do not forsee.

    “Accelerated rebuild” looks like it will only serve to accelerate his departure.

    • Destro

      he could have had Lowry and picks and not signed Fields and risked looking like a village idiot league wide…..STEP BACK TO REALITY OOPS THERE GOES GRAVITY smh….

      Why does this fuckn idiot have to be my teams GM….

      • hater

        dont worry dummy, once BC goes we will have a new GM for u to bitch about.

  • Destro

    So we passed on Lowry + pick for 8th pick…..discuss

    • Sukhpinder

      Who said that was the deal? did colangelo or morey say that? or are you just listening to rumors?

      • Destro

        confirmed from a reliable source

        • RapthoseLeafs

          That would be me …. I’m confirming it.


  • Mapko

    More I think, more I realize Nash to To for 3 yrs, 36 mil was NEVER in BCs books.
    Nash planned on going to NY or back to Phoenix (if no $$  with Suns, take To prob 2-3 yrs at 10 mil per MAX). It turned out the way BC planned it -Nash to NY for a lot more than he would have gotten (You could say BC rewarded his old friend).
    As for Fields -I highly doubt NY does not match. Since (as it appears) they are getting Nash, Dolan will feel pretty good & go all in -get everybody, screw money & go for title.
    WRT salary cap -who cares. If Knicks become competative (it appears they will be) -their cable deal will more than offset their payroll/penalty.
    What do Raps get out of this? Nada (and OK more promises).

  • John

    Let’s offer 36 million to a 38 year old PG, then spend additional 20 million on the 11th man , trying to block your rival team from getting that PG , then loos on that PG and get the over paid 11th man. 
    OH, BC, you are one smart cookie. 

    • Destro

      Its so simple but yet the blunder seems to allude alot of people in this forum…

      • Statement

        Okay so you whine and complain A LOT.  Is there anything outside of Ross that you like on the Raps?  If so what, if not, I’m just going to ignore your posts as they are nothing but incessant bitching and moaning. 

        • Ihatehaters

          He only likes Ross because he hasn’t yet played a game. I’m sure that will change pretty quickly, and he’ll be bitching about how we never should have drafted him, and how nobody on this forum ever played ball like he did, blah blah blah. 

        • hater

          wut are u talking about man. the guy doesnt even like ross, there is not 1 single thing bout this org. that he likes. he wanted lamb or drummond over ross on draft day, and wants him traded too. he even said ross wont even see the floor this seeason lol smh..

          • Ihatehaters

            Who cares?

    • Copywryter

      It’s just one giant endless facepalm with spiked gloves

  • RRR

    I like BC

    • Nilanka15


  • KJ-B

    WOW!!! I’m glad none of y’all have the qualifications to be a GM!!! If anything, his mistake will turn out to be a blessing.  With the Knicks strapped with Nash’s nasty contract for 3 years, being over-capped and a beatable team in the Atlantic–bcUZ Carmelo Anthony does NOT share the spotlight well…

    I like Fields floor game way better than DeRozan’s and this should serve as a HUGE wakeup call to young Deebo… The rest of the cap space, who cares–they’ll get it right and now they’ve tried for Nash they can truly focus on “building younger through the draft” … Every good raptors team came through the draft and draft night trades–POINT BLANK.

    Dry your eyes gentleman, Nash is a Vancouver boy…this is not much of a surprise that even he was spinning his love for playing in TDOT to get a higher than deserved final NBA contract.

    • Destro

      Interesting to hear what this board thinks of Nash as Canadian GM after this…I completely understand calls for ppl wanting him out….Guys contributions to basketball in this country are WAY overstated in my opinion and him shunning Toronto and Canada during this process im sure leaves alot fans up here with a sour taste…..Can you imagine alot of intl players shunning there home base like that ? meh…..I understand the pros being he might be able to extract the top talent based on name sake BUT seems weird to me this guy wants to be GM here when it appears on the surface he doesnt want much to do with Canada….and one thing ive always thought was lame was pointing out what hes done for Canadian basketball on the intl level…

      He hasnt played in 12 yrs and shunned the organization during his prime years meanwhile Ginobili Calderon Gasols all the slavic players every year and tourney continue to play for there countries until they retire……

      I understand the sentiment against him after this being the last straw….

      • KJ-B

        sometimes in the NBA life, these guys get so used to everything going “their” way and I think Nash getting the GM Canada title was part of that–he wanted Canada on “his” terms–ie the ‘off’-season + not as player as you duly noted… It’s funny today is the 4th of July bc JFK famously opined, “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”…

        It’s unfortunate for Steve that he doesn’t “get it” — he didn’t just turn down Toronto…he’s pretty much an American transplant in that he lives and makes his living there pretty much year round even though he’s got investments out West!  Just wish he knew that he is a hero just a not Toronto, ON Canada wide hero so much after today…Fact is that crew in New York is NOT championship calibre and he’s got as much chance at winning there as here in the next 3 yrs with Brooklyn, MIA + Boston in the East = ZERO! 

        Kobe punked Philly in the Finals beating AI and they never forgave him–time will tell what will happened to “Kid Canada”…

        • KJ-B

          “just not a Toronto, ON Canada wide hero so much after today”

        • Destro

          Dont get me wrong im glad hes not coming here i never wnated him but the way it happened does make me indifferent to him and he does look somewhat fraudulent how he went about and what he was saying the entire time……I just wish BC wasnt such an idiot to get sucked into it and had of focused on more practical and logical ways to make this team better….good riddance prune neck !

      • KJ-B

        IT’s the Lake Show!!! I guess he really is a West Coast boy after all!  Life goes on…

  • Statement

    Okay, I know the mood is pretty dour here, but I have a question.

    James Johnson is a good defender, good rebounder, and good ball-hander/assist man (kind of like Landry Fields).  There is also the fact that he has been working to rebuild his shot and we even saw glimpses of him being able to make a 3-pter here and there. 

    The question is, what is Johnson’s upside?  He is good at all areas of the game except shooting, which he is improving in.  Is it above average SF?  Average SF? Below average SF? Scrub?

  • boshrawr

    Nash in laker land people. You’re next move colangelo.

  • Destro

    I cant wait for the hilarity that will be Landry Fields press conference lol…

  • Destro

    Also who fears the damage BC is gonna do to this team by trying to make up for this embarrasment by overpaying badly for a Lowry,Lin or Dragic now….

    • Rpsfan95

      agree, plus the damage done to the teams rep which was already terrible, may have lowered the franchise’s overall value, MLSE is insane if they don’t let him go

  • weedman

    I really hope Colangelo has the stones to hit the reset button and cancel this deal. It’s been done to him a couple of times. Some’ll whine, but screw ’em. Won’t mean a damn thing to anyone, except maybe Fields, a month from now. Go after Irsan Ilyasova. And maybe Lowry. Fields contract is ridiculous, I don’t care. 

    • weedman

      Also … no matter the spin, and the ‘closer to the kids’ spin is about as good as it gets (can we all say “aww”), not only were we had like rubes at a small-town fair, but sending our little delegation with a Gretzky video tucked under their arm (I mean … really?) was like sending Aunt Bee with her special apple pie to the big city to try to close a government contract. (Smdh. Ffs.) 

  • j bean

    Maybe an offer where he was paid like a super star over $16,000,000. annually  would have stroked his ego enough to play the Canadian card. We’ll never know.