Thoughts from those who cared:

His Landlord
“Due to an ongoing court case regarding unpaid rent, I cannot comment on my business or personal relationships with Mr. Johnson. As has been stated in the Church St. Rentals vs. James Johnson case, the plaintiff claims twelve (12) months of rent owed on the lease, plus the cost of carpet damage caused by the defendant’s pitbull”

His Neighbor
“Yeah, he used to come over a lot. Drank my beer, pissed on my couch once or twice, and kept complaining about how the offense wasn’t run through him. Good guy overall, but probably the last guy I’d invite to my birthday party.”

His Dentist
“Excellent teeth. Once asked me to remove a perfectly fine molar and replace it with a 32-carat diamond.”

Bryan Colangelo
“When I acquired James I had high hopes for him. Then I saw him play.”

As Sam alluded to yesterday, there were a SHITLOAD of media members who were raving about how Bryan Colangelo managed to turn a late first-rounder into a player like James Johnson. Here we are a year later and the guy is thinned out into a second-rounder which is likely to be traded away for future considerations at some point.

I feel no great pain about Johnson leaving, I’ve said it time and time again, the guy was a petulant player who thought he was owed something, when in reality he should’ve been thanking his fairy godmother for landing on the Raptors where he actually got to start every game he played for half a season. Fuckin’ unreal man. This guy had the chance – just like Jamario Moon – to make a position his own in the NBA, and he blew it through some very lackadaisical play. Granted, the real question wasn’t really his attitude but his talent, and I don’t mean flashing a nice pass once in a while. I’m referring to consistent basketball performance, of which in him there was very little. At 25 (which is the new 28 when judging growth), his “potential” couldn’t be counted on and time ran out for him.

Maybe he was a stopgap measure at best, or just something to keep the masses preoccupied with and give them a character to talk about, or maybe he was a serious attempt by Colangelo to fill the elusive three position, whatever the case, the experiment is over and we can move on to portraying Landry Fields as the next saviour at the three. Good luck to Johnson, but unless he changes his attitude and accepts that he’s an absolute nobody with everything left to prove, he’ll get bounced around again. I have it on good word that the guy felt like more of the offense should’ve run around him, that is beyond bold.

As the roster stands from training camp to training camp, we’ve replaced Barbosa with Ross, Johnson with Fields, Bayless with Lowry, and Alabi with Jonas. Ross is a short-term downgrade with potential for long-term upgrade, Johnson vs. Fields is an edge to Fields, and Lowry wins over Bayless. Overall wins +/- is…. +5?

The production at the three has been so poor in recent years that anything, literally, is good enough to start. And so we saw that with Antoine Wright, Jamario Moon, Rasual Butler, Joey Graham, Sonny Weems, Linas Kleiza and the list goes on. It’s the one position that hasn’t been successfully addressed since Tracy McGrady, GMs have come and gone but the three spot continues to be a sore spot for the Raptors. I don’t know if Landry Fields is the answer, my gut tells me he’s not, and that he’s in line with Jack, Kapono, and Kleiza, as another mediocre player who found big money in Toronto. The law of averages says that one of these acquisitions should pan out and if Fields, in a dedicated starter role, finally manages to take the chance that others have frittered away, perhaps he’ll be worth it. If not, you know how great Colangelo is at cleaning up his mistakes…with more mistakes.

Not being negative, just pointing out the acquisition/cleanup cycle that has been the norm under Colangelo.

The Raptors have played three summer league games, and Ross has had good and bad games. Blake Murphy is supposed to be keeping an eye on the summer-league proceedings, but forgive him if he stops to give a shit about it since the Raptors have never, ever gotten anything meaningful out of Vegas. Instead, here’s Casey talking about Ross being on the court at the same time with DeRozan:

And even though the Raptors drafted a player who seemingly will threaten his future with the team, DeRozan has not revealed a hint of jealousy or animosity toward Ross. DeRozan watched the Raptors’ first three NBA Summer League games from the stands, placing a keen eye on Ross, and the two already have formed a mentor-apprentice relationship.

DeRozan has offered tips and advice to Ross before and after each of his summer league outings and has invited him visit Los Angeles in August to work out and train together for the regular season. The way Casey sees it, it’s a perfect scenario — DeRozan will make Ross a better player more quickly and, with Ross nipping at DeRozan’s heels, DeRozan should expand his improving game.

“Plus, there’s nothing to say those two can’t be on the court at the same time,” Casey said. “But DeMar has been great. He’s taking (Ross) under his wing and that’s going to help us. We’re a young team, so we’re going to need all the firepower we can get.”

In just three games, Ross already has experienced the highs and lows of NBA life. In his debut — against best friend Jones and the Rockets — he was productive, finishing with 21 points on 8-of-19 shooting. But in two games since, Ross has scored a combined 25 points and made 9 of 26 field goals, including 1 of 8 from three-point range. As defenses have keyed on him, his shot has faltered.

That’s summer league for you. You can’t read anything into it.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    Casey is still saying that the Raptors are a young team- wow, newsflash OKC’s average roster age is 23 and they made the NBA Finals last season….smdh

    • Nilanka15

      lol, how does this refute what Casey said?  He never said we’re the “youngest” team, nor the “best” team.  smdh

      • cesco

        Gots2go will tell you that if BC had picked 2nd , third and fourth in successive years ( 2007-2009) , he would have found a way to mess it up and we will still be a lottery team .

        • Destro

          So using extreme hyperbole to make an argument is whats hot now ?

          • cesco

            He has made a crusade of wanting BC to go . I am sure that in the past he must have made some comments about BC ability to make good picks ( he has quartered BC every possible way , I doubt that he never complained about BC pick selections , Andrea being the main one ) .

            • Destro

              Hes a message board poster,he holds no influence within MLSE so who gives a shit ?

              So BCs selections and move have never warranted criticism now ? I dont get this…were a 20 win team thats missed the playoffs 4 yrs in a row…if that dotn warrant criticism and crusading then WHAT does ?? 

    • UDumbAss!!!

      Are you serious, dude? Are they not a young team? Who cares what OKC has/did. We’re talking about our team. And they are young. What did Casey say wrong? sMdh.

      • Copywryter

        Got2Go is right in the sense that being ‘young’ is not a panacea. It is not salve for mediocrity or should give false hope that we’ll get actually get better. There’s ‘young’ with Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, and young with Derozan, Lowry and two rookies who may be all-stars or flame out. 

        The Leafs said the same thing two years ago…youngest team in the league blah blah blah. Getting older didn’t make them suck less. 

        • Nilanka15

          I don’t think Casey was making any future predictions by claiming we have a “young” team. 

          • Lorenzo

            And he didn’t. People just love to complain.

        • Rob

          I remember when Casey got here, he said that this team is young, and “it’s not an excuse, it’s a reality.”… Verbatim.

          I don’t think he used it as a nostrum for failure. 

    • John

      From the news conference, it seems like BC is done with the moves for the offseason and we will be going forward with Amir and Ed , Lowery and Calderon.

      • Lorenzo

        You don’t know that

        • John

          will you still support him if he is done dealing this odd season ??

          • Lorenzo

            Support how? I don’t support him I just tag along and criticize like everyone else

            So far I like most of the moves, but I’d be disappointed if  that was it

          • The Truth

            After all of the talk about maintaining flexibility coming in, including dealng Barbosa mid-season, if the only free agent even vaguely of note that they sign ends up being Fields then that’s a FAIL mark from me.

            It’s all very well to have cap room and flexibility, but if you are incapable of getting anyone to sign what’s the point? The Lowry trade is a good one but he’s hardly the player most fans were hoping for coming in.

            If as rumored they now shift Calderon for a TPE then that will just be salt in the wound because they NEVER use the TPEs well, if they do at all.

            • CJT

              I don’t know, there were an aweful lot of guys talking up Lowry when it became clear he would probably be available.  So he may very well be the player that most were hoping for.

            • ghost

              It has been said ad nauseum on this sight, FA’s don’t want to play in Toronto. Therefore, either signing RFA’s or trades are the only way other than the draft to improve the team. The Lowry trade was a significant improvement. He has probably the best non-rookie contract in the league. Fields signing is still very questionable but we’ll see how that works out.  

      • Afimi Sinting

        How do you know that? Did you go to some meeting with BC?are you a fly on the wall?

        • John

          Listen to the news conference and the tweets that came from the reporters that were there !!!

      • Nilanka15

        We only have 11 players under contract.  There will be more moves to come.

        Big moves?  Who knows.  But moves nonetheless.

  • Theswirsky

    “the real question wasn’t really his attitude but his talent, and I don’t mean flashing a nice pass once in a while. I’m referring to consistent basketball performance, of which in him there was very little. At 25 (which is the new 28 when judging growth), his “potential” couldn’t be counted on and time ran out for him.”

    and while I agree with this, I can’t help but ask:

    Why does this only apply to some guys and not others.  Why does this tend to be towards guys who are good defensively but not so much at scoring, but never the other way around.

    Guys who are inconsistent and never seem to reach their potential but can score seem to constantly get another chance, another opportunity to prove themselves.  Guys who are inconsistent and never reach their potential but can defend are always on the brink of being shown the door.

    Players who score sell tickets.  Players who defend win games.  Players who do both win titles.

    So far this teams strength has been selling tickets.

    • Statement

      Welcome to the NBA my friend.  As much as I’m loathe to say it, the Tribal Honkers like to see the ball go through the hoop.

      Defense and rebounding….meh.

      • Theswirsky

        oh I know, but it still amazes how often fans prioritize scoring over anything else.  When the player can’t rebound or defend its justified because of some faulty logic or another. But when a player can’t score very well its almost never justifiable.

        Its crazy symbiotic relationship where Colangelo feeds off that demand for scoring, and fans feed off the excrement that comes from his mouth and actions.

        • Statement

          You’re right about that.

          I seem to remember a wages of wins article (I know people don’t love wages of wins work, but still) where they did their regression analysis and showed that PPG was the best predictor of salary, All-Star game votes, MVP votes….etc.  So it’s not just the Tribal Honkers, it’s GM’s as well using the basketball equivalent of the RBI to pay players.  Case-in-point, Mike James, who got paid after racking up the PPG in his one-year with the Raps.

          Their analysis is, of course, based on historical data, so the relationship could be changing as more teams utilize the Alex Rucker types.

          • Theswirsky

            agreed.  Its bigger than just Toronto Raptor fans and Colangelo, but changing the entire culture of the league is well beyond the scope of what we do.

            It also offers the opportunity for teams to make great use of the inefficiencies in the sport… unfortunately Colangelo seems more interested in $ and proving his mistakes were good choices.

            • mountio

              I cant believe Im getting sucked into this again .. but guys .. come on here. Stars win championships. Guys who can put the the ball in the hole, especially in pressure situations.
              Yes .. defense is important too .. no doubt. But, offense is more important. If you look at the teams that succeeded this year .. its because their stars stepped up on offense (KD, Lebron, KG, Westbrook, Parker and co). Not saying there wasnt good defense played .. but what seperated those teams from the rest is their ability to score the ball and score the ball when it mattered.
              So – in a world you are picking from flawed players (which is the Raps world .. we dont have the luxury of LBJ, KD type talents) .. ill go for guys who can put the ball in the hole. If we get enough of them (see OKC), then plugging in defenders like Ibaka, perkins (who ppl love on this site .. was pretty useless in the playoffs) is pretty easy. BUT – without scorers .. you are lost in this league ..

              • Theswirsky

                “offense is more important”

                absolutely not.  There are 2 parts to every game – half the game is defense and half the game is offense.

                They are, without question, equal.

                Difference is there is an abundance of good offensive players, and a serious lack of good defensive players.

                • mountio

                  Wrong again. Top 4 teams last year – Heat, OKC, SA, Boston/ Chicago all play good D. But, what sets them apart are their offensive stars. Why is OKC where they are? Is it Ibaka and Perkins on D or KD and Westrbook (and Harden) on o? LBJ definitely plays good D .. but is he THAT much of a better defender than, say, Tony Allen? On the offensive side, hes leaps and bounds ahead of him.
                  Chicago .. again very good defensive team .. but when D Rose gets out do they really miss his defensive intensity of his ability to score the ball and create for others? Without him, they are arguably a pretty similar defensive team .. but much inferior offensively … and guess what? They lose in the first round.
                  I could go on, and on, and on.
                  Yes .. defense matters. Good teams have to play good D. No question. In a perfect world .. all players are LBJ and play both ends very well. But – in the real world .. you start with scorers like KD and Westbrook .. and then plug with defenders .. not the other way around.

                • mountio

                  meant to say LBJ is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone on O .. I think we know hes a lot better than Tony Allen ..

                • Theswirsky

                  those teams have STAR offensive players, and STAR defensive players.  So I think the point still stands.

                  The only time in recent history that a contender was almost exclusively offensive oriented  was the Phoenix Suns (and they still had a star defensive player in Shawn Marion) and they still never made to the finals.

                • Theswirsky

                  did you ever see the Skip Bayless vs Mark Cuban debate?

                  Skip basically said Dallas didn’t beat Miami.  Rather Miami lost because Lebron wasn’t good enough on offense down the stretch.

                  Cuban got pissed.  Why?  Because that basically gave no credit to Dallas’ effectiveness in stopping Lebron.  They game planned for that, had the personnel to do it, and executed.  Yet it didn’t matter.  The league, pundits media etc didn’t think it was D that stopped Lebron, it was Lebron who wasn’t able to finish.

                  This is basically what I see in a debate like this.   Just because one doesn’t see the defense, or the effectiveness of it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

                • mountio

                  I didnt see that .. would be interested to. However, I certainly watched the finals .. and with all due respect to Cuban for defending his players defensive effort .. I think hes way off base here. LBJ fell apart on offense. Took bad shots .. settled for jumpers. Does the D affect that .. sure .. but back to my offense point … if LBJ plays like he did this year .. Miami wins against Dallas no problem.
                  I guess the bigger point on Dallas is .. do you think they win the championship without Dirk on O? I say they dont even make the playoffs .. let alone win the finals. Without the D of Chandler or Marion .. maybe they lose a couple of more games ..

                • Theswirsky

                  it shouldn’t be hard to find its an ESPN clip, I’ll see if I can scratch it up.

                  What Cuban will say to your commetns though is.  What defenses was Dallas using?  How were they using them.

                  as for Dirk and dallas.  Do they win a chip without Dirk? Nope.  But do they win one without Chandler?  Nope.

                • Theswirsky
                • hater

                  exactly. u just took that mothrfker to school.

                  basically wut hes saying is a team of 5 tony allens would beat a team of 5 kevin durants. wut a tool that guy

                • Nilanka15

                  According to that logic, you’re saying that a team of 5 Mike James could beat a team of 5 Gary Paytons.

                  Seriously, put down your phone (with your dumb-ass text message posts), and read a book.  It might do you some good…

                  …emphasis on the word “might”.

                • hater

                  gary payton scored AND played D. he did both of them very well, he wasnt 1 dimensional which is wut ur implying dummy. have u ever seen him play lmao?

                  get ur pervertd sorry ass away from me and get a bettr argument smdh…

              • Statement

                I agree with you that offense is important.  You definitely need scorers. 

                I don’t know if it is easier to replace scorers or defenders. My first thought is that it is easier to replace scorers, but that’s just because Mike F’N James was able to rack up the points on our shitty team.  Point is, if you need somebody to be a scorer, you can find that somebody, and he’ll provide you with 18-20 ppg.  Of course, I reiterate that I don’t know if defense or offense is easier to replace. 

                What I meant is that offense is given primary importance with respect to awards and pay, possibly because of the lack of good defensive data.

                My essential point is that defense and rebounding are undervalued by GMs. 

                That’s why I’m encouraged by the Lowry and (too a lesser extent Fields) acquisitions.  These are good (or potentially good, in the case of Fields) 2-WAY players, which this team has had a serious lack of – partly because they are in short supply.

                 

                • mountio

                  I hear ya. For sure .. if even a crappy team is gonna score 80 points .. someone has to score them .. so yes, someone will score 20 pts. I guess same argument can be made for rebounds in a similar fashion ..
                  As a result .. I tend to focus on what sets good teams apart (see above) vs anamolies in scoring (ie M James) or rebounding (ie Reggie Evans) on crappy teams. When it comes to that .. I think elite scorers set apart the best teams more than elite defenders (although clearly great teams usually have both)

                • Statement

                  “I think elite scorers set apart the best teams more than elite defenders”…fair enough.

                  The only real elite scorer that hasn’t really set apart his team that I can think of is Carmelo Anthony. 

                  That being said, we don’t notice if elite defense sets apart the best teams, because defense is to hard to understand with all of those moving parts, so it could very well be that elite defense is more important than elite offense.  Case-in-point, Kevin Garnett.

                • Statement

                  But I may be reaching, afterall Dirk definitely set apart his team with his offense.

                • Theswirsky

                  Just want to mention Chandler set apart the same team on defense….

                • Statement

                  Oh ya, good call.

                • mountio

                  see above .. where was he setting NYK apart on D this year?

                • Theswirsky

                  NYK D went from 22nd to 5th… so yes he did

                • The Truth

                  Not sure if serious? Their defensive ranking was out of sight better than previously, and that’s with Stat and Melo still there not playing D at all as usual.

                • mountio

                  agree

                • mountio

                  Right .. whereas many elite defenders havent led their teams to shit .. DH12, Tony Allen ..
                  On the flip side .. look at Chandler .. he goes to NY .. which arguably has a pretty talented team and his defense is not very impactful. So .. who is more key to Dallas last year .. Chandler on D or Dirk on O?

                • Lorenzo

                  Dallas was already an extremely deep offensive team for the last 5 years or so, they just needed Chandler to get them over that hump.

                  It’s all a matter of team building, it’s difficult to compare one setting to another, there’s just too many inconsistencies and loopholes in these comparisons.

                • Theswirsky

                  posted above.

                  NY defense went from 22nd to 5th. 

                  thats not impactful?

                • mountio

                  thanks .. a little more space to write down here.  Defensive ranking interesting, but the team’s record was basically the same – 42-40 last year and then 36-30 this year .. down from 6th place to 7th and a first round exit in the playoffs. Not much improvement to me ..  

        • Statement

          That’s one thing I like about Landry Fields, he appears to be at least somewhat skilled on BOTH ends of the floor, not to mention rebounding.

          Him and Lowry perhaps are the best TWO-WAY players we have on the team, with Amir being a positive two-way contributor too (though he is obviously a MUCH better defender than offensive player).

        • CJT

          there was a thread posted yesterday, I think, about JJ’s defense and it basically said he had a few good flashy blocks, but his defense wasn’t that good.  Not saying I agree necessarily, but that was the basis of the thread.  If correct, he really didn’t offer much but a few fun plays for the fans.

        • hater

          and y do u like to place urself above all fans?? “it still amazes me how often fans prioritize scoring over anything else” lmao get ur all-knowing ass outta here. ud have a front office nba exec position if u knew shit about ball. scoring matters, 1 of the reason okc lost in the finals both of their excellent defensive bigs were liabilities on the floor becuz they couldnt score jack shit! got zero offence out of em. foh,,,,smdh

          • Thhggg

            Holy shit ur an idiot

            • hater

              brand new account dummy? obv ur 1 of th idiots here in disguise. foh idiot

    • Destro

      You KNOW why these posters dont apply it to OTHERS…

      because theres fans of players here not the team itself and we KNOW which players…

      JJ is being under valued and thats fine you’ll see it this season….Our best defender and im not exaggerating our only guy who can lock up a quality 2/3 in this league…Youll notice that all throughout next season..not hyping his ass up but a guy thats tough,athletic plays gritty defense and rebounds,blocks shots and gets steals is a commodity even off the bench….and to give it away for a crappy 2nd rounder says alot about mgmt here AGAIN….

      Should never put personal issues ahead of the betterment of the team…

      • CJT

        there is of course the other side of the coin, where some people on the site, bash every move regardless, because that is what they do.  Also not interested in the team.  We know who they are.

        • Destro

          NO you dont because you’re dishonest breh…
          I have no agenda in this…BC sucks based on the moves hes made here nothing else…to argue that is to have ur eyes closed,facts are facts teams been ass in 4 out of the 6 years hes been here…

          I call out Bargnani for not doing his job…legitimate complaints tha hamper this teams ability to win….

          I have no agenda ima Raptor fan not an individual player fan of this team…Im all for moving anybody we need too in order to win here….

          Other side is the complete opposite…talking points and lies are construed too defend certain players they hold dear to there hearts….The 13 game crew is epitome of this…You cannot have an unbiased look at this team and suggest 13 games is meaningful or that team rebounds is more important or whatever other lazy assed spin has been used….

          Call a spade a spade…

          You of course troll SNames therefore i dont expect you to TALK about it….

        • FLUXLAND

          What move has been worthy of any praise or yielded anything of significance, what move can be considered a championship culture move?… they have all been lateral moves and accounting shuffling, at best. Placing a giant rock in the locker doesn’t count as a chip move. 
           
          Pretty sure you should stop talking about the people that post here, you’ve proven you suffer from selective reading a few times now and you haven’t been here long enough to pass judgment, pal.

          Imma tell you like I told cesco, some people are not interested in the current regime and its M.O. and they will continue to scrutinize moves as they see fit, some people don’t live by the “we will take what we were given” mentality – we know who you are. Some people love the idea of a NBA team in what is a deserving city with immensely loyal fans and will not stop “bashing” until things change and a team worthy of praise has been delivered. Forgive us for paying attention as to what’s transpired since inception and not forgetting everything at the end of every season while “hoping” for playoffs the next and living with the “anything can happen” disease. 

          Have you ever seen LA or BST get booed, even when they are stacking chip teams, as they are stinking up the place? Have you ever heard of NYK fans protesting in the streets?  Real teams have real fans that demand change because some people understand the philosophy that nothing great has been built or accomplished by sitting back and accepting unacceptable outcomes, instead they stand up and demand a better world! What planet do you live on? Do you have any appreciation for history? Look around, nothing ever has been accomplished by sitting around or without demanding change.

          • never sunny in t.o.

            Holy Righteous Arseholes! The unbelievable bullshit you spew! You’re lecturing Raptors fans here on how they should … what? riot in the streets over the local ball team … like they do in your little fantasy world? Ffs, dude. You sound like a complete whack-job maroon. It might be time to get a hobby. Or follow up on some old dreams … like overthrowing a government somewhere. Jesus. 

            • FLUXLAND

              Dude!!! If you put it that way dude, I mean really dude! That’s far out man!  When’s the spaceship coming? After the comet or before?  I always forget!

              Jesus, too? Why doesn’t that surprise me? If we all just had a little faith, eh?
               

            • p00ka

              lmao, right on!
              What’s precious too, is that she (too much PMS like character/ranting to be a he) actually thinks she’ll make a difference with daily internet ranting and bashing fans who think differently.

              • FLUXLAND

                lol as opposed to the optimistic hopefuls that keep condoning the mediocrity year in year out.. that’s really made a difference, clearly.

                At least some of us have an opinion, you just run around and question.

                No one here has seen you make a statement in any regard, ever. And if you have it’s after the player has left and you use hindsight to profess your wisdom.

                Stop hiding man. Say something of any substance at all so people have a take on where you are coming from and we can all you see your superior basketball acumen, you challenged the entire forum remember?

                Just say something, don’t be a worm.

            • Rob

              Awesomely hilarious.

          • FAQ

            Now we must await, and endure, the time for the new Ratpor roster of assorted veterans, rookies, flops, to JELL … remember that word … J-E-L-L …??!!!!

            Will this disparate bunch of near-NBA players ever “jell”… or will they remain a giggly pile of JELLO ….??!!!!
             

            • FLUXLAND

              Wait, wait wait. How does the song go? Ah, yes…

              Well, we got the “right” coach now and we will have a full training camp, then if DD can become the All Star he really is, if Bargs can find his inner Rodman, if JV brings that game where he dominates children in teenage tourneys and if the black cat crosses the street at half past ten while there’s a full moon, if the rest of the NBA lays down, we are clearly headed for the playoffs where as we all know “anything can happen”!  *thunder stix clap*

              Something like that anyway, I dunno. I don’t drink enough of the Kool Aid to remember all the words.

            • CJT

              Gel FYI

    • p00ka

      You’re transferring Arse’s statement/opinion to team management’s philosophy and approach to dealing with Johnson, and why they unloaded him. It’s Arse saying it isn’t about attitude, but talent, not the team saying that. Since you’re asking questions, why do you think a very defensive minded coach had issues with such a great defensive player? Maybe some attitude issues? Maybe he’s not so good defensively? He isn’t.

      • FLUXLAND

        Every coach had issues? Stop spreading lies based on your opinion or back it up with some facts and sources.

        “He was terrific for us,” coach Tom Thibodeau said. “We didn’t have a
        whole lot of minutes for him. His attitude was great. He worked
        extremely hard. He was athletic. I think it’s a good move for the
        Raptors and for us.”

        But according to Pooka and the reports he is reading every defensive minded coach had issues with him.

        Pooka The Truth, everyone. 

         

        • FLUXLAND

          Da f? Sorry Pook. I swore you wrote every defensive minded coach up there.  Just ran with it.

          • p00ka

            It’s your M.O. You invent shit that ppl say and think. It’s how you roll.

            • FLUXLAND

              You only think they are inventions, because as other have caught on to as well, you were not following the team at the time. There are plenty of people that remember the incidents I spoke of.

              Having assertions and opinions based on what has actually transpired, is not inventing.. contrary to how you wanna twist things in your world, where you clearly cannot formulate an opinion unless you read it somewhere first. No original thought or free thinking – that’s how you roll, a true BC soldier and Kool Aid alcoholic. 

              • hater

                mr. regular season #s dont matter. gtfoh lmao why would u show ur ugly mug around here again after that mess? smh…

                • FLUXLAND

                  Wanna hear it again? Regular season number don’t mean anything, nothing, zilch.

                  You still don’t get it, just like you didn’t last time because you don’t know how to comprehend what you read.  All Stars  are voted in by fans, MVP and the rest of awards by media clowns.. what the fuck are you talking about? No one gives a shit about regulars season stat but fanboys and number crunchers that do not know how to argue otherwise.

                  You are must be the dumbest kid on the planet. By your argument your boy Jose should have been an All Star since he got here. The only numbers that matter are wins that determine seeding. 

                  Let me guess your in the Nash was the MVP of the L the years he won them? GTFO you brainwashed sheep.  

                • hater

                  lmao dont try and twist it now dummy. all-stars are voted in by fans cuz of their numbers, the media vote on the mvp based on their numbers + how they help th team with those numbers. u really are one dumb fk…so how do u gauge how good a player is pally? just by ur own bullshit observation? lmao ur 1 to trust. gtfoh you trash

                • FLUXLAND

                  I watch the games, not the boxscores. Dummy. 

            • CJT

              He is a dick, no doubt about it, but at least he apologized for mis quoting you.

        • p00ka

          You’re losing it more by the minute little girl. Where did I say “every coach”? Twice you are saying I said that, but where?

          I never said anything about it, but why do I care what Thibs said 1 1/2 years ago, when I’m referring to your pal’s transferring of Arse’s personal statement to that of the Raps’ management/coaching staff? Does that help you get the drift of the discussion, or are you going to carry on inventing shit?

          Fluxland, The Inventor, everyone.

    • Raptoronto

      Offense is generally viewed as a talent, not all can develop, where as defence is generally linked to effort or a mindset, which all can put out.  I tend to disagree.    

  • george

    I’m still here then, since Nash isn’t. Without concern for the depth chart, is this right?:

    Lowry/Calderon
    DD/Ross
    Fields/Kleiza
    AB/Johnson/Davis
    JV/Gray

    11 contracts and the target is what 12-15? MIN, MAX etc.?

     

    • Nilanka15

      You can expect a 3rd PG to be added at some point.

      Also, Quincy Acy was just signed.

      After that, it’ll probably be 1 or 2 end-of-benchers waving their towels in street clothes.

    • Brian B

       13 minimum. as another Nilanka notes, a third PG is thelikely 13th. If the 14th or 15th are filled, except an end of bench wing ( a “3 and D” or a “microwave ” instant offence sort?) and possibly a spare big body to bang around in case of injury or foul trouble behind Gray.

    • FAQ

      I smell “playoffs”… don’t YOU….??!!!!

      Opps… scratch Jose from the roster… now playoffs are guaranteed!!!

  • Nilanka15

    Nice to hear about the DeRozan/Ross relationship developing.  Looks like DeRozan’s time with the Select team is already paying off.

    • FLUXLAND

      That’s actually scary as f.  Nice fan pitch, but I’m thinking he needs to stay away from Lazy Garfield Eyes aka I Can’t Move Laterally Because I Have A Duck Stance, as far as possible.

      I’m also hoping “working out” in LA doesn’t mean hanging out with fans at the local YMCA or chillin in Rosco’s parking lot.  

      • p00ka

        Brilliant! Stay away from a teammate. Now, this man knows how to run an NBA team! Forgive the “Garfield Eyes”, “Duck Stance”, “Rosco’s parking lot” mindless babble, because he has such great words of wisdom for the rookie.

        • FLUXLAND

          If said team mate has done nothing since getting into the L, and his scouting report hasn’t changed since 2007, his work ethic has been brought to question and requires a rookie or someone “nipping at his heels” to motivate him, yes I’m of the thinking he can’t teach T Ross anything except maybe what paintball gun he should be using. DD is turning into Sonny 2.0 – losing is a laughing matter and it’s all fun and games. Stay away as far as possible, we don’t need another YGZ  fiasco. 

          And I told you before, this is not your daughters HS basketball team, take off those glasses.

          • p00ka

            Whether I wear glasses or a blindfold, I’ll ever see your imagination as reality.

            “his scouting report hasn’t changed since 2007″
            Scouting report by who? Your scouting report, or NBA scouts? We know yours (heard it over and over), but what insider info do you have about real NBA scouting reports?

            “his work ethic has been brought to question”
            By who? Disgruntled fans? That’s nothing but imagination unless you can share some insider info with us. All reports are that he works hard, but enlighten us.

            “losing is a laughing matter and it’s all fun and games”
            It’s one thing to have an opinion, yet another to spread lies that you base your brilliant opinion on.

            • FLUXLAND

              I am glad you took the time to counter by showing us all how his game has progressed from year to the next by leaps and bound – a clear indication of his superior work ethic –  while demonstrating your epic basketball knowledge that you claim to posses. You are just itching to school us all, why is that you never deliver like your boy DD?  Again, stop asking people to do the work for you. Go find yourself any report on him from 2009 on and tell me what has changed that warrants him mentoring anyone? It’s the same story year in and year out. Here’s some stuff from back then:- work in
              progress, filled with untapped potential
              – ball handling needs
              work –  never takes more than one dribble to
              his left without pulling up or spinning back right.- Not much of a passer or
              facilitator
              – despite all of his physical
              attributes,  often disappears during games; does not look to dominate
              – too high in his defensive stance.
              – needs to add many significant
              dimensions to his game

              etc etc etc.

              Please tell us which of things have changed?
              What have you seen from him over the past years to suggest his work ethic is to be admired by anyone? You like to argue with stats, we have all seen it… show us how he’s improved across the board. Reports by who? Biased people who sell you tickets? Please. NBA scouts…lol. Wake the f up. Lies because you don’t agree with it? Spare me, child. If you were paying attention to lies, you’d stop buying what you are reading in your “reports”.  Stop getting all excited because not everyone is a fanboy like you.

              • p00ka

                Typical. You mouth off and make statements that you refuse to answer simple questions to, but have lots of inflammatory babble to throw out. You’re an arrogant little prick, but all you’ve got is put-downs toward anybody and anything that doesn’t fit your script. pathetic little internet tough gal. Your Barbies must be proud of you.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Wow, bro. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone worm around like you do.

                  I called out your M.O. on here before and you just keep proving it over and over again.

                  All you do is run around and question. No one in this entire forum has seen you post any kind of opinion or anything of any substance at all.

                  What are you hiding from? You claimed on here that you know more about ball than any of us. I just gave you a chance to counter what I said and this is your reply? 

                  Sad man. Really sad. Nothing to say, no opinion of any kind except when a player is traded and then you post something like that’s what you thought all along.You are officially King Worm Hindisight on RR. Congrats. 

                • p00ka

                  There is no end to the bullshit you invent. Anger makes ppl stupid, and you’re living proof.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Not angry at all man. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. really. It’s clear unless you read something somewhere and it is presented in a manner you like, you cannot digest it. You can’t think on your own and when you read something contrary to what you believe, your entire universe starts falling apart and you are rattled, restoring to your above post.  When confronted, you deflect by talking abut the other person and resort to your last two posts. You can’t even hide it anymore.

                • p00ka

                  PS. I talk basketball with ppl whose tongues are attached to their brain, not imbeciles.

                • FLUXLAND

                  You talking basketball is a myth and lie that you keep spreading on here, discussing your “awesome” spin move with DD on NBA Live doesn’t count as talking ball, son.

                  We are still waiting for you to enlighten the masses with your ball IQ, but no one is holding their breath, don’t worry.

                • p00ka

                  lol, take away your imaginary pipeline to the dressing room, and the imaginary ability to read minds of players, and what ball do you talk? You invent shit, whine when I question it, then say you’re talking ball. Talk reality and I’ll talk ball with you. Invent shit and create rumours/lies, and I’ll question you, whenever I’m around. Book it!

                • FLUXLAND

                  Sure you will, just like you did in the DD discussion. Spare me bro. 

              • Nilanka15

                Why bother responding, dude?

                His entire schtick is, “Oh ya?  How do you know?”

                • FLUXLAND

                  Yeah, I know… see my last two replies.

                  All he does is say “source?” when it’s something he sees as a negative, but any positive “sources” and claims to him are facts.

                  I just wanna keep exposing him..today was just another day where he proved all of the above.
                   

                • p00ka

                  At least she doesn’t run away with her tail between her legs, like you, when you couldn’t back up your bullshit declarations.
                  As far as my “schtick”, well, we all have different ones, don’t we. Flux is trying to incite rioting in the streets, and you waver, depending on which way the wind is blowing. To each his/her own.

                • Nilanka15

                  lol, thanks for proving my point.  You’ve been here for a while, but have never actually said anything.

                  And once everyone else starts ignoring you, you come back with a new screen name, and start the nauseating cycle of circular logic all over again.  You literally provide nothing to this site whatsoever.

                  There are plenty of posters here with sharp opinions, but I would gladly discuss ball with Destro, BCSfefanskiGots2Go!!!, Flux, FAQ, theswirsk, etc, because….you know….they actually have opinions.  If we all met at a sports bar, you’d be the guy sitting in the corner twiddling his thumbs, and nervously shifting his eyes knowing that you have nothing to add to the conversation until someone mispronounces a word.

                  But go ahead and keep strutting around triumphantly.  Meanwhile, the rest of us are still waiting for you to say something that promotes discussion.

                • hater

                  thats cuz dumbasses think alike,,,

                • Nilanka15

                  Lol, says the kid who can’t read.

                • FLUXLAND

                  LMAO… he’s the guy hiding behind his “friends” and chirping the loudest when it’s heating up, but when it’s time to nuck he puts his hands over his face  and says “What? I didn’t say anything”.

                  Worm. 

                • p00ka

                  Whatever you comment on, you don’t seem able to say anything without making things up. Pathetic.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Please guy, you call other people’s opinions and anything you haven’t read in media reports as imaginary. It’s no one’s fault you can’t think for yourself, lack analytical and critical thinking. You are sheep. It you are cool with that  so be it, but don’t cry when the wolves come around. You are the definition of pathetic. 

                • p00ka

                  People, and i use the term lightly, post imaginary bullshit and I engage them in the form of questioning their bullshit. You have a problem with that?

                  Awwwwww. Well, if a clown like Flim Flam Fluxland wants to keep spreading his wild imagination as reality and being so fn offensive toward anybody who disagrees with his imagination, I’ll be here to entertain him, and don’t give a shit what you or anybody else thinks of it.

                • FLUXLAND

                  We agree on one thing, you sure are entertaining. Let me guess.. when everyone around you grew up and said Santa was not real, you called it imaginary bullshit while stomping around asking for a source and a report. You really are a piece of work.  Don’t hate because you lack the ability to read between the lines. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me… that’s you. The irony in all of this is that what you continually accuse me of is EXACTLY what you are doing. Self awareness is not something you are familiar with at all. Read all your posts in this thread and notice who resorted to throwing shit around  like a monkey when you couldn’t answer simple question. Counter some points with an original thought, instead of putting all your energy into (failing) to assassinate someones internet character.Put yourself on the line and say something of substance instead of running around here acting like a BC cop, attempting to discredit anyone who doesn’t share you pink glasses view of team and getting bent out of shape when you read something you don’t like.

                • FLUXLAND

                  P.S. I was here long before you and I will be here long after you are gone. I’ve dealt with your kind before, just change you tune a little.. you are staring to bore me and everyone else on here. 

                • p00ka

                  haha, long before me and long after me. First bit of reality you’ve spewed on here. Of course both are true. Internet loud mouths can’t thrive anywhere else, so they hang around forever.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Says the guy who’ s change his handles over times and barks the loudest with no bite. As you were clown.

                • p00ka

                  If there wasn’t so much fantasy land bullshit flying around, you’d never hear it. Fk, you’re funny, you’re even whining when I’m calling out others for their made-up bullshit.

                • Nilanka15

                  So you’re saying you’re whining about whiners who whine.  Understood.

                • p00ka

                  Maybe I’ll take your lead and correct peoples’ punctuation, squirrel.

                • Nilanka15

                  lol, is “hater” the basketball goddess daughter you keep referring to?

  • Brian B

    ” portraying Landry Fields as the next saviour at the three.”

     ROFLMAO…. he is a below average two who thrived in the D’Antoni system, can defend twos adequately, likely to be beaten up  badly if he tries to defend premium SFs… of which there are only a half dozen or so in the east. 

    • Tinman

      Who has named him the saviour? He is an upgrade on what we had. I’ll be honest, did not get to see him much on the Knicks, but from what I read he sounds like a better fit for our system compared to Carmelo and the Knicks.

      Do not hate the player, from what I read he is a well rounded player who can possible become that glue guy. Hi B-Ball IQ, believe I have read he has never missed a game and he is young. More concerned about winning than getting his stats.
      Hate BC, if you must, he gave the contract. Who knows, by Christmas we might be talking differently about the contract.

      With the additions of two proven players in Fields and Lowry, two rookies who appear to be ready to contribute in Valanciunas and Ross, and I feel a motivated Ed Davis combined with a competent coach with a full training camp I find myself liking the direction BC is taking.

      Hindsight is great and some of his moves have bombed, but so far I applaud BC for this offseason.

  • Copywryter

    You can’t blame JJ for being himself. A sneering leopard can’t change his spots. 

    What I don’t understand — and what bothers me –is that we brought him here in the first place. I mean, the book on this guy had been written in Chicago, which was why he was buried there despite his talent. We took a flyer on him, which is fine, but BC takes a flyer on a lot of guys, and to be honest their recurring uselessness is wearing me out. What project have we brought in that actually panned out? We just end up treading water and dog-paddling around beautiful lake Mediocrity.  

    • Statement

      Kris Humphries was pretty damn good, I wish we had kept him.

      • Nilanka15

        Delfino and Amir weren’t too bad either (although they were essentially traded for each other).

        Amir’s contract, on the other hand…

        • Statement

          At least Amir will only be 27 or 28 when the contract finishes so we have him for his prime.

      • LTDupside

         Yeah, he comes cheap, too — 12M/year.

        • Statement

          He was cheap at the time the Raps had him though.

          • Copywryter

            But also not giving us 14/11. Admittedly with limited minutes. Chicken and egg conversation on whether more minutes = better numbers :( 

            Nonetheless, I think that was his career year.

    • Statement

      I am aware of his I-am-Jordan tendencies, but I would have lived with that, especially for a cheap price.

    • CJT

      I agree with you completely here.  But I also think if you look at all the player movement there is a limited pool of elite talent in the league and everyone else are role players trying to contribute to a team.  The elite talent is extremely hard to aquire and beyond that you take flyers on bit pieces that you hope will flourish in your system.  It is frustrating to watch I competely agree, but with the exception of the 4 or 5 teams that really have a chance to win a title each year, the rest of the league is hoping to catch that Pistons lightning in a bottle type success. 

      • Destro

        Why is that frustrating ? That actually makes the league more compelling and watchable..Funny in the 80s and 90s everybody was ok with super teams running the league but NOW its a problem….

        The league has always thrived on that model and always will….As a Raps fan you just hope you can do what the Pissed-Ons did in 04 build a team with defense and some moderate stars thru whatever means you can and hopefully give urself a chance…. 

        • CJT

          if you don’t find the lateral moves and flyers frustrating why are you bashing every move being made?  I am hopeful for improvement each year, but as you and your buddy Flux pointed out earlier in the thread, it is unacceptable for the team to remain in this mode.  Now you are saying that it isn’t frustrating to be in this mode.  Which is it?  Or do you want them to stay in this position so you guys have something to complain about?  I am not complaining about the super teams at all, I understand that this is the way it is.  But the result is the other 25 teams exchanging role players in an attempt to find some chemistry, just like this failed JJ experiment.  I completely agree with your last statement about giving yourself a chance.  That is what we hope for and try and find some gem in the draft.  But does anyone believe that Raymond Felton to the Knicks is going to be better than Raymond Felton on the Blazers?  That was my point.  Not the other stuff.

          • Destro

            Dogg do you ever argue honestly ? I never said it WASNT frustrating to be mediocre.stop putting words in my posts NOT THERE…NO smart guy Felt Dogg dont mean shit in the overrall scheme of things BUT a few spare parts added to a nucleus of stars WHICH they HAVE might put them in a better position to contend with Miami or Chicago or whoever else is contending…

            Knicks may not win with Felton but they werent going to win with Lin either so they opted not to pay the poison pill to lose and possibly LOOK elsewhere…shrewd move and a smart one…

            Whats not a shrewd move is overpaying for a SF thats 3rd best on ur already bad team…NOT shrewd…Ill give you Lowry but IMO BC has gone 1 for 3 this off season if you include the draft…You cant move up into that bubble bracket going 1 for 3 each off season…  

            • Nilanka15

              The Knicks can still match Lin’s offer (I believe tonight is their deadline).

            • CJT

              REad the first line of your last post friend.  “Why is that frustrating?”  That implies that it isn’t frustrating doesn’t it?

      • j bean

        I like your comment but I’m with Destro that it isn’t frustrating to watch. A jump to 40 wins based on defense and executing their offensive roles isn’t outside the realm of possibility and that would be more than enough to keep me happy this year.  

        • Destro

          I think 40 wins is a major reach for this team as is….

          • j bean

            Of course it is but as a top end not impossible. More probable is around 35 with 30 the low end. I see them being better than last year and maybe quite a bit better. 

            • Destro

              We’ll see what else they do…as of now i think its a 25-30 win team…

              • Statement

                That might be a little low, maybe.

                Last year they won 23 games (or 28 games in an 82 game schedule).

                They’ve added Lowry > Calderon > Bayless
                Fields > Johnson
                Jonas (who I don’t think is any worse than Gray, at a minimum and will likely be better than him as the season progresses)
                Ross = Derozan (or perhaps better)

                So last year they would have been at the upper range of your estimate and they have now upgraded their team, I think 35 wins is more likely.  Still, I agree with your overall point that they would be hard pressed to be a 40 win team.

                • j bean

                  Another consideration is the lack of progress made by other teams in the east. 

                • Destro

                  Some teams went backwards but several teams IMO leapfrogged the raps this off season (Wizards,Nets)
                  I still think Philly and Atlanta is better…I dont think we moved up in the east yet….

                • j bean

                  Put the Wizards lineup beside the Raptors. Washington will lose the season series. Blatch ended up benched to finish the year and they brought in a couple of workmen. They are gonna have more of the same problems scoring.

                • Destro

                  I dont see 35 wins from this roster…Lowry is an upgrade i dont Fields is an upgrade and usual way too much emphasis on Ross and Valanciunas…I dont think they will have anywhere near the impact that this board thinks….

        • Copywryter

          I think 40 wins in 2012-13 is a reach, but I’ll play out the song.

          In 2013-14 you’re a playoff bubble team who needs a FA and more depth to get over the hump. So you trade ED and Derozan for a sub all-star and spare parts. You make the playoffs that year, lose in the first round and we’re all a year older. Then, in 2015 you’re looking at Bargs leaving or getting max money and nobody else under contract. If JV is a stud you’re rebuilding around him but he won’t be ready to lead a team to the promised land in year 3 (not even HoF types manage that) and you’re worrying about him staying too.

          I know that I’m in the minority but I don’t see the point of having a ‘decent’ team. You’re either building a championship/conference finals calibre team or you’re not. Mediocrity is death.I’d trade bargs and derozan for picks and some high-motor role players, and see what we’ve got in JV. If he’s a stud we’ll have those picks and whatever we get from the lottery. If not, this team wasn’t going to go anywhere anyway. 

          • j bean

            Trying to win the draft jackpot by losing 60 plus a year doesn’t seem like a team I’d like to cheer. 
            So you eventually draft a star or two who lifts you into the playoffs. Then what if you can’t get past the second round? Keep trying to build around your star who eventually wants to go to a team where he can win it all?  Then I guess you blow it up again and try to win the lotto again.

            • Copywryter

              Well I wouldn’t have cheered OKC’s first year out of Seattle — when they won 23 games with a sophomore Durant, or the 20 the year before that, but those lousy seasons landed them another all-star and 6th man.  

              But yeah, if you can’t get past the second round by year 3-4 then you blow it up or fire the GM who can’t make it work (see Minnesota with a young KG).But the idea is you draft a star, stink it up for a year, draft a lesser star and have a GM who can build around the 1A + 1B model by trading the picks you’ve acquired from the stinkitude. My model has  flaws. It might only produce a championship contender every 15 years, you’re going to suck a lot of the time. But I’d take 10-15 lousy years for one magical 5-year run that culminates in a championship.  

      • Copywryter

        Because that elite talent is hard (impossible) to acquire unless you’re L.A. or Boston (or the 2012 Heat, a new model), then it tells me there’s little point in swapping role-playing pieces in and out, because even successful cases will only lift you into, at best, a first round exit. You’re more or less swapping the deck chairs on the Titanic. The Pistons model is an outlier and chasing it along with 25-26 other hopeful teams seems silly. 

        To me, you’ve either drafted elite talent to build around or you should be a perpetual cellar dweller collecting draft picks and waiting to draft a Barkley, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, etc. Hell, if the Clippers can make that work, anybody can.

        This seems particularly salient to Toronto, as we have difficulty attracting quality free agents. 

        • CJT

          exactly.  That was my point.  For the majority of teams in the league swapping deck chair every year is what they do, which can be a frustrating thing for fans to watch.  Getting lucky in the draft is the only way to get an elite talent for most of those teams.  Or significantly over pay for “potential”  like Lin, Batum, Asik, MaGee, Fields etc. 

    • sleepz

      “sneering leopard” lol

      I agree with you on Colangelo taking fliers. Nothing wrong with that, as players sometimes bloom in different environments, however when none of these players you acquire ever pan out it’s really akin to swapping out pieces year after year and not really improving your team.

      To me, the bottom line is a GM is it acquire talent and build a team. Colangelo has failed to secure an all-star or even a near all-star talent during his entire tenure with the Raps via draft, trade, or Free Agency. He has also not been able to build a team with any type of remote sustainability which to me are the 2 main priorities of a GM.

      I’m not really sure how to evaluate his performance any other way. Imo he has failed miserably in building this Raps team up to this point.

  • Daniel Rubin

    The law of averages says that one of these acquisitions should pan out

    I don’t think the law of averages says that at all. If you continue to employ crappy players, on average you’ll get crappy results. There’s no law that says one of them should eventually break out completely unexpectedly.

    • arsenalist

      Sure, but think of it in terms of rolling the dice in the free-agent market with little thought.  Basically, as close to random but not quite.  Eventually, something will stick.

      • Daniel Rubin

        Except that the FA market is not random. It doesn’t consist of a barrel of equal numbers of superstars and dregs, just floating there passively, waiting to be caught. It consists of identifiable sets of targets, with the ones who would help the most being the hardest ones to grab.

        Colangelo isn’t shopping in a random market. He’s ordering at Burger King and hoping they’ll accidentally give him a prime rib. This does not constitute an actionable plan.

        My point: I’m even more depressed than you are.

        • Destro

          Its def frustrating watching all other teams even bum teams making moves or involved in trying to make moves while were on the sidelines….So far this off season has not been what i thought it would be…

          • Nilanka15

            Don’t worry, we’ll “hit the ground running” next year 😉

            • p00ka

              solid contribution!

              • Nilanka15

                lol, likewise.

                PS – tell CaseyDaMan I said ‘wassup’.

                PSS – then ask him if he has any good Bertrand Russell quotes.

                • p00ka

                  Always willing to assist an immature mind to grow. If the past is a good example, you won’t understand it, but Russel understood the dismay that some would experience, as you have, in appreciating what he was saying.

                  “A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate,
                  because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can
                  understand.”

                  Enjoy translating to something you understand.

                • p00ka

                  PS
                  Aren’t you a petty little handle cop. You took some sort of childish pleasure in calling me by my old handle (this one), after I freely fessed up to using new ones. Now that I’ve gone back to my original, so childish weasels like you can’t scream that I’m hiding from anything, you now feel like some sort of genius by “exposing” my old new handles. Keep that notepad handy. I’ll do my best to give you more that you can use 6 months later, in all your childish glory.

          • Tinman

            This has been a foolish offseason – the money being offered and contracts being traded.
            I will credit BC for his restraint – by no means is the Fields contract the worse one out there.
            I’ll also credit him for being able to change directions so quickly. I believe his first goal, by taking a stab at Nash would have led to another move, adding a seconf tier star a la Gay or Iggy. A win now approach.
            That fell through yet plan B does not look so bad.
             

            • John

              I don’t think NOT being the Worst deserve an automatic credit !! Which parents goes to their son and say: David, you are not worst in your class so we are buying you a new bicycle !!

              Also, changing direction is not something to credit someone with. BC has been here for 7 years now and we had overhaul of players almost every year. There is no real direction. We went from trying to compete in Bosh era, to rebuild, then to retool then to accelerated rebuild and god knows what we are doing now.

              We were suppose to gather assets and talents during this time. Bayless, Weems, Alabi, JJ and … all were let go for nothing !!! TPE are being expired like they are worthless … What are the assets that this team have !! Can this team become competitive in 3 years which marks the 10th anniversary of BC being in charge ?? 

            • Destro

              What contracts are worse ?
              Why give him “CREDIT” for changing direction,he was forced to GO another direction because he ill fated plan backfired in his lap…See this is why i hate blind BC supporters like you breh..you connect dots with ur eyes closed and give BC the credit on the WHAT IFs…you have no clue WHAT Nash would have led too in any respect YET your willing to give BC the faux credit for IT happening IF it happened….SMH

              • Tinman

                What contracts are worse? Humphries, Lin,  Lopez,  Hibbert, and Gordon. All have signed for more than Fields and last 3 are close to max deals.
                Tell me – name me one max player in that list who approaches a max contract?
                Fields signing, on paper, actually looks like one of the better ones this offseason – but you have never really put any thought into it.

                Blind BC supporter – beg to differ. I can make a list of times I disliked his moves. This offseason has been a good one. But you haven’t really put much thought into it, have you?

                • mountio

                  While those guys are overpaid .. I agree (Hibbert and Gordon defensible .. Lopez terrible and Lin a joke but more of a marketing move) ..
                  But – this does not make the Fields contract a good one. At least all of those guys have shown they can be a top 2-3 player on a good team .. whereas Fields has shown he can a role player / 5-8 guy in the rotation .. that deserves $3-4 mm / year .. not $6-7 mm.

                • Tinman

                  You asked me to name you worse contracts – I have named you 5 after spending 10 seconds thinking about it.
                  How about you name me two better signings contract wise this off season than Fields deal? You can take your time.

                • Tinman

                  Cricket, cricket……

                • Destro

                  The Lopez contract is the only one worse…Hump,Hibbert,Gordon,Allen,KG,batum contracts are all better… 

                • mountio

                  That actually wasnt me .. but Ill name you lots. Id start with Hibbert and Gordon above .. both of whom Id WAY rather have for the money than Fields.
                  Add Nash (for less than we were offering), Dragic (4 yrs, $34 mm), Allen ($6.2 mm over 2 yrs), Danny Green ($12 mm / 3 yrs), Illoysova ($40 mm/ 5 yrs), Novak ($14 mm / 5 yrs .. does a lot more for NYK than fields did) .. to name a few. I will agree that Lopez for max and Lin at $15 mm in the last year are probably worse (although Lin at least showed teh ability to be a star for a short period .. not so much for Landry)

                • Destro

                  Ill agree on Lopez..I dont agree on anyone else….Gordon and Hibbert are much better players…who give you value…Hump is legit double double player in this league,contracts reasonable to me….

                  I disagree this off season has been a good one….Lowry acquiring is off set by the Fields signing and the release of James Johnson..and i think he missed on the 8th pick as well….

                  He has 2 months…

                • Tinman

                  I disagree on all but possibly Illosova.
                  Hibbert and Gordon are not max players and that is the contract they signed. Their respective contracts are horrible compared to Fields.
                  Nash and Allen took the Championship discount, so exclude them.
                  Goran Dragic earned 34 million? In what world?
                  Novak? Couldn’t tell ya.

                  I think my point is made. The Fields contract compares favourably to most other signings.

                • Tinman

                  Oh yeah, Kris Humphries is worth twice as much as Fields = come on, how many games did the Nets win last year?

                • Destro

                  How does that factor into his contract ? Nets were atrocious last year WITH D-Will so you dont pay him max money now cuz his teammates are ass ? Horrible b

                  double double players are valuable esp bigs cuz theres not alot of em,ur showing urself right now…

                • Destro

                  Whether theryre max players isnt the issue..the fact is they’ll give far more to a winning team than Fields,id rather overpay for either of them over Landry…Sorry you cant win this argument,golden rule is you dont overpay for mediocrity….Hibbert and Gordon are at least all stars in this league….Those are guys you can overpay for…

                • Tinman

                  Sorry and thanks for showing your ignorance.
                  Max contracts given to players who don’t deserve them, cripple teams financially. Which is what Lopez, Hibbert and Gordon’s contract will do to their teams.

          • CJT

            Do you feel like a bunch of teams have gotten significantly better this offseason?  Legit question, not trying to be a dick.  I don’t know if I do.  The same 4 teams will still contend for the finals I think.

            • Destro

              I can think of a few that did get better if your talking Raps and playoffs i still think the same teams in front of them are still in front of them and a few have leaped over them (Nets)

        • Brian B

           even worse than that… he’s going to the greasy spoon and ordering the “mystery meat”.

  • Ion66

    I put some of the blame for Johnson’s desire for more offensive plays on the fact that most of our players were not consistently better than Johnson at many points in the year. If the level of consistency and talent around him was more obviously better, I don’t know that we see the same degree of behaviour he had. The Raptors are/were largely made up of good players. Not a mix of great and mediocre ones. If you’re feeling it, and your teammates are not of the “Damn…I’ll never be THAT good.” level….and you have a bit of an ego, why wouldnt you want more opportunities? The key is to say “I can get us back in the game..just run me some plays.”…and not “Screw what you think…I’m going to win this one for me…er…us.”

  • p00ka

    LOL, and the beat goes on………………

    It’s fn James Johnson for fk sake! Yet the bitchers and whiners are out in full force to rip team management for everything that is wrong with the past 7 years…… the beat goes on,,,, drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain……. it’s James Johnson for shit sake!

    • John

      This is the part that you, as a BC fan did not get last year and are not getting this year. JJ’s value is a 2nd round pick and this is why many of us screamed last year when we gave up a 1st round pick for this guy … This is why many of us thought it was useless to invest a year into this kid and develop him … But you and your pals and the Herd on the board with Matt52, supported the move and dared to compare him to Pippen ( Matt52 did).

      Now, we are not upset that he was let go for a 2nd round pick. We are upset that we are buying high, selling low !! we are upset that team is stuck in a vicious circle of developing and investing on mediocore players like Bayless, Weems, JJ and … and then let them go for nothing …
       

      • CJT

        It has been said in other threads, but may bear repeting.  the pick that they gave was 28th or 29th last year, which are often considered some of the worst picks in the draft because of the gauranteed money that 1st rounders get, without any skill advantage over a 2nd round pick in the 30’s which is where this one will likely be.  So that argument doesn’t hold much water about the diminishing return.  The team saves money on the cap and will potentially get a less expensive piece in the same talent range as the one they gave up in the first place. 

      • what the

        i thought it was tim w that compared him to pippen

  • ad

    If the raptors open training camp with this roster, BC is getting fired after the season most likely. Unless derozan becomes wade and bargs becomes nowizki no way this team wins more than 35 games. They still dont have a legit sf and they cant possibly carry a $10M back up pg. Lots of work to be done still. I think 90% of fans would be very disappointed with this offseason if no more moves were made. Only the raptor kool aid drinkers who think fields was a great pickup at the price will be satisfied.

    • Lorenzo

      I think that if we fail to make the playoffs this year and lose out to the Wizards or something, BC’s firing is imminent.

    • Statement

      Who are the raptor kool aid drinkers who think fields was a great pickup AT THE PRICE?  I haven’t read anybody here or on other blogs who doesn’t think he is overpaid.

      • Destro

        I have read countless posts praising the contract being “NOT THAT BAD” and praising what Fields brings to this team as value….its all over this forum breh….

        • Statement

          ‘NOT THAT BAD’ does not equal Great

          • CJT

            and is based on a comparison to other contracts this offseason that are much worse like Lin, Batum, Asik, MaGee etc. etc.

            • Destro

              Those contracts are better cuz the players are better…All those guys have some good upside or potential,i think Fields is what he is….

              • CJT

                diagree

        • Statement

          If memory serves, even Colangelo admits to having to overpay to get free agents (talking about Fields). 

          Even the GM knows that Landry is overpaid.

      • Tinman

        With all the bad contracts being given- Humph, Lin, Hibbert, Lopez, Gordon –

        Name me two better value for the money FA signings than Fields.

        • John

          Brooks for 3 million a year
          Danny Green for 3 million a year 

          😉 😉 How do you like that 😉

          • John

            P.S. Both players, if not better are at least same level as Fields. Lets face it, BC did not want to sign Fields and was just trying to block NY from signing Nash.

            • Tinman

              Better or same level – definately debatable considering one was riding a bus last year.
              Guess I am not as sold on Aaron Brooks.

              I don’t necessarily agree on you two examples. And you did choose two minor deals. Hey we resigned Gray as well.

              My point being – look at the history of FA signings. They all get more than what their worth. Fields signing compares very favourable when you look at most of this years signings. The ones expected to have at least a little impact.

              • John

                Wrong, Field is not Lopez or any of the other guys who got over paid. Field is the same level as Brooks and Green but was over paid like he was star.
                ” Fields signing compares very favourable when you look at most of this years signings.”

                Please take a moment and read what others who watched Fields play under the spot lights in NYC say about this deal. Almost all the NBA thinks that he was over paid. There are only few Raptor fans who may have watched 5 Knicks game last year are thinking the way you do !!!

                But nice Try !! Find me one article from reputable source that claims, Fields is not vastly overpaid by us and I will take what I said back :)

          • Tinman

            Both possibly – but no slam dunk.
            Point I am making is a lot of money was thrown around foolishly this offseason- I credit BC for his restraint

            • John

              Yes, there was a lot of money thrown around but being inactive does not deserve credit !!! 

        • Destro

          lol @ defending Landry fuckn Fields.. 
          Dudes absolute trash…

          • Nilanka15

            He’s not trash.  But he is overpaid.

            • Destro

              No hes trash…

            • John

              He is a 8th or 9th player off the bench in a good team and for that he should be getting paid something from 9-11 million a year and not 20 million

              • what the

                remember you are talking to nilanka who once said gary forbes was the best player on the team

    • John

      He does not have the ability to trade Jose !!! He is either going to use amnesty on him by midnight tonight or just trade him for a 2nd round pick at trade deadline and then brag about the financial flexibility that our team has for the offseason :)

      • Copywryter

        It’s my hope that Jose’s trade value will be at a premium around midseason or near the trade deadline…injuries will deplete rosters and a competent backup who can play stater’s minutes will be in very high demand, especially for mid-tier teams.

        Note that I said ‘hope’. 

        • Tinman

          Jose should bring us more than Barbosa.

          • guest

            Jose’s trade value will not be higher than it is right now unless they continue to start him which they say they won’t.  He will be playing from the bench with inferior talent and his stats will be effected.  Brian should have traded Jose last winter if he really wanted to maximize his value, but he held on to him for too long and now can’t get any takers.

  • Lorenzo

    That face..

  • Jeffrey Thompson

    Okay, that tears it.  Raptors fans are real pricks.  After the guy led your team in steals and blocked shots, you shit on him like this: very classy!! Although I don’t expect anything less from a city like Toronto, whose douche-bag and prick ratio rank among the highest in North America.  Sure he may have acted opetulant or whatever the fuck that mean, but he certainly proved his worth on the court with his heady defensive plays.  All I have to say that you assholes will reap what you sew.

    • Ryan

       Yep, spitting on an entire city based on an online sports blog and making up offensive statistics against is also definitely “very classy.”

      • Jeffrey Thompson

        Actually it is pretty classy considering the people whom I am talking about;)

    • Nilanka15

      Ladies and Gentlemen, please provide a warm round of applause to….

      ….James Johnson’s mother!

      • Statement

        I would hope his mom doesn’t talk like that.

      • p00ka

        great bball post!

        • Nilanka15

          Haha, I love how you’re left with no other choice but to scroll past my countless relevant posts, and single out the ones that were clearly tongue-in-cheek.

          You reek of desperation.

          • Jeffrey Thompson

            Go fuck yourself @6ecf580f202254857b9ba16cde511dc4:disqus .

      • Jeffrey Thompson

        Dude I’m not JJ’s Mom, but I can see that u r like the douche bag prick that I was talking about.  Oh btw, very classy dissing James Johnson';s mom, a person that u don’t know. Thanks for proving me right about what big fucking asshole torontonians.  And they us that we Quebeckers don’t have any class!

        • Nilanka15

          Is there a word for “hypocrite” in french?  Dumbass.

          You just dissed an entire city, but I’m lacking class cuz I dissed JJ’s mom?  Get a clue.

          BTW, I wasn’t dissing JJ, I was dissing you….an utter dumbass if you think JJ is a relevant basketball player.

    • Statement

      Good Lord, are you okay man?  Maybe just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe.

    • Tinman

      Toronto, whose douche-bag and prick ratio rank among the highest in North America

      OK I;ll give you that one.

      • hater

        theres a high ratio of them on these forums,,, nevermind north america

        • Nilanka15

          says the kid who can’t read…

          …and confuses commas for periods 😐

          • p00ka

            LMAO, you whine about me questioning assholes that are bullshitting, but you’re on a guys case for punctuation?!!! stfu squirrel

          • hater

            lmao that all u got? this is the internet forum u dumb fk not a dissertation,,,how much grammar are u gonna police? feel proud of urself? I can write most eloquently if need be…..but as long as it continues to piss off lil bitchs like u i’ll stik to this style. dummy

            • Nilanka15

              Do you and p00ka hold hands while you type?

              • hater

                is that wut u call your mom? lmao

    • Copywryter

      James Johnson was not the highlights you saw on TV

    • Jeffrey Thompson

      Arse- nalist can be considered a prime fucking example of what a bunch of douches you really are. And btw, thanks a fucking lot for proving me right.  Those lame ass snarky coments are what I would expect from a bunch rude, snotty, pretentious, dick faced douche bags whom the rest of Canada hates.

  • Thetruth

    Maybe I don’t say this often. Thank you Arse for a great column. I dont’ care much for James Johnson and I would be surprised if the guy ever amounted to anything in the NBA.

  • Statement

    Anybody else a little concerned about Ross struggling in Summer League?  It’s probably WAY too early to be.  Is there any precident about good NBA players struggling in Summer League?  Is this a dumb question? 

    I think that the general consensus is that if you dominate it doesn’t mean much but if you struggle, that is a big red-flag.

    • Lorenzo

      What I’m seeing is that he’s not getting the ball enough

    • CJT

      I think it’s more the point guards struggling than Ross.  I am actually pleasantly suprised about his ability to get to the rim.  Better than I thought.  Also was happy that when his shot wasn’t falling, he started going to the rim and getting to the line.

      • Statement

        Thanks for the feedback, haven’t been able to catch any games outside of Houston.

  • Destro

    lol @ BC mentioning Lowry coming off the bench behind Calderon as a scenario for this season….DeJesus this guy NEVER learns…

    • sleepz

      Amazing listening to him. In one breath Lowry has the keys to the team and is the pg of the future and in the next breath, there will be open competition for the 1 and Jose might be the starter with Lowry coming off the bench?lol

      Next moment he is telling us Lowry was in the plans even if they got Steve Nash. So you were going to pay a premium for Steve Nash on a 3 year deal and expect Lowry would be fine backing him up for 12-18 minutes a night for the next 3 years?

      Colangelo is a politician. That is his calling. He could say he is going to lower and raise taxes in the same sentence and the electorate would be fine with it.

  • Statement

    Okay guys (and girls?)

    What are the win predictions for next year.  I’ll go ahead and start (and possibly look horrible)

    My guess is 35 wins minimum (we won 29 last year, over 82 games), with some upside risk (man is it nice to think that for a change):

    Lowry>>>>Bayless 
    Fields>Johnson
    Val+Amir+Gray> > Amir+Gray+Magloire
    Bargs and year older Davis > Bargs and last year’s Davis

    The only position which may not have upgraded from last year is SG (though people do like Ross).

    Also, apparently more teams have gone down that up in the East over the offseason

    So I guess 35 would be my point estimate, perhaps as high as 40 and chasing the playoffs.

    • cesco

       All the predictions have to be based on the team escaping major injuries to key players . Last year with a healthy Bargnani ( first 13 games + 10 last games he played ) they were 11/23 or 39/82 if extrapolated . My prediction is 41-45 games won if like I said there are no major injuries to Andrea and Kyle mainly AND  JV , Ross and Field do not disappoint . Any improvement by DD or Davis ( which I doubt ) will certainly reinforce the 41-45 wins prediction .

  • ReptheRap

    so what if james johnson complained. i’m sure every athlete have concerns that they express only within their personal life to their wife, dentist, neighbor etc etc. Jeebus even a classy guy like ray allen has shown a rough ending in dismay. I dont know what happend between JJ and BC, but we have no right to judge the player from what they say in their personal life. As long as its not big enough to bring it up to the organization and media its all good. I havnt followed the raptors too carefully last season but i havn’t heard a thing from JJ in the media, all i saw was tough defence night in and night out. I appreciate the other moves but this one was a BAD MOVE BY BC.

  • Brian B

    Apparently they needed the roster spot for Alan Anderson – WTF????

    • John

      This is a great signing. This is why we have BC here … To find the diamomond in the rough !!! Anderson is all heart and all hustle… you don’t believe  me look at the message board and Matt52 …
      Is this a playoff team ?? I say it is …