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Raptors 99, Pistons 101 – Box

Raptors lose to the Pistons on the road by two in a game where they were down big, came back, stuck around, and couldn’t pull it off in the end.   Live blog here.  Just like Who’s Line Is It Anyway?, the score doesn’t matter and we got to look at the impressions made by the team and individuals.

Positives

John Lucas III has a bit of a controlled Mike James in him. We knew he could score, we didn’t know how confident he really is passing the ball, pulling up, and taking it to the rim at every feasible opportunity.  It’s only one game, but if he produces even half the 16 points he got last night going forward, he’s going to be a good kick off the bench.   And it’s not like he’s in there to get his, everything is opportunistic and within the confines of whatever the group is doing as a whole.  The shot is smooth and he looks to play a bigger part on this team than anyone might have anticipated, especially if his three-point shooting holds.  His interaction play with Terrence Ross was great, he doesn’t let the ball get stuck, and looks to really lead the second unit.

You might look at Jonas Valanciunas’ first stat line of 2/0/0 and say WTF, but hold on.  The guy came off the bench and was busting it on both ends.  He got a couple blocks and moved well without the ball, especially rolling to the rim after setting picks, which freed up outside shooters after the defense shifted to the middle.  It’s a slow start for Jonas, but I’ll say he got the wind of an NBA game, got an idea of the people he’ll be up against (ahem, Munroe, Drummond), and will be better next game as he gets more touches and a feel for the NBA game.  He got scored on a couple times, lost an offensive rebound, but all that’s to be expected.  What might hurt the perception of his game is how beastly Andre Drummond looked in comparison.  We passed on him to draft Ross.  I made this joke on Twitter.  Sticking on the center note, Aaron Gray had a tidy enough game.  He, like the others, started a little slow but soon got the hang of making a rotation or two on Brandon Knight who was making every Raptors guard look very ordinary on defense.

DeRozan’s game was tight, although still heavily dependent on getting to the line.  He used his size against Stuckey and Knight well at times and on other occasions – like with the game on the line – took a shot from close to behind the backboard.  His defense was poor for the most part, but I think that’s about as good as he’s going to be there because he just doesn’t have the lateral quicks or tenacity needed by a lock-down wing defender.  Offensively, he made two jumpers and missed five.  With little help from Bargnani and no Lowry, the Raptors looked to him to score and although he did a good enough job putting points up by getting to the line (9-10 FTs) and throwing a thunderous dunk in transition, perhaps he needed to shoot more than 8 times.  Overall, pleased with his performance, if not his jumper.

We’ll get to his defense in a bit, however, suffice to say Jose Calderon looked really good.  Fifteen points and four assists in 23 minutes.  The guy looked in mid-season form and there was a stretch there in the second quarter where he was basically challenging any Pistons guard to stop him, all the while playing within the team.  The ball movement on the perimeter was exquisite, and when he’s got his pull-up and set-shot going, he’s a starter quality player on any team.

Negatives

Ed Davis and Amir Johnson were overwhelmed in every regard, the latter committing a key turnover through an offensive foul late in the game.  Davis was inexplicably called for a three-second violation when trying to post-up!  There’s always been concern about their strength, and last night that was plain to see.  They combined for 10 rebounds, but were overpowered for most of the night.  Of course, Andrea Bargnani collecting one rebound over 22 minutes of action didn’t help but I’m tired of complaining about that.  He took too many long twos for my liking, but that’s just my liking.   Maybe you’re into long twos, maybe that’s how you get your rocks off, I don’t.

You might recall Brandon Knight as the guy many thought we should have drafted, and a year later, you can see why.  Let the fact that he was against some mediocre defenders not take away the ease of which he penetrated our defense and set up scores to the tune of 6 assists in 26 minutes, while netting 14.  Th Raptors help defense was poor all night and I rarely saw two successful rotations made on one possession.  Knight’s assault combined with Bynum’s aggressiveness set the tone for the Pistons and their bigs finished off the deal by outrebounding the Raptors 47-32.  Bad perimeter defense, poor interior rotations.

The Rest

Fields missed a couple open looks, Anderson was mildly efficient in his 14 minutes, and Dominic McGuire is someone I can see either really liking or really hating.  TBD.  Kleiza and Ross deserve comment, both will feature this year and need to be productive in short minutes. Ross will have to learn to do that, he dropped 7 points on 3-7 shooting which is pretty good, I just felt that he could’ve done more on defense and I’m surprised Casey didn’t try him on the Knight or someone to test his laterals.  If he’s going to be a Mo Pete type player for us, he’ll need to find a way to be produce, it just can’t be about shooting.

Kleiza, on the other hand, can never be a consistent player in this league because there’s nothing he does really well.  He shoots a bit, rebounds a bit, runs the floor a little, but none of those things are above average in any way.  He might be the most boring player we have on this roster as whatever he does, someone else can do better while being less annoying at it.

Conclusion

You must be out of your mind if you think we can draw conclusions at this point.  On Friday we’ll see if Jonas has more of a jump in his step, whether Ross can figure out how to make himself more useful, and if Bargnani can be bothered.  I’m not sure what it says that Casey didn’t even bring him into a tight game in the fourth (except for that one last play as a decoy) to try to win this game.  Was he sending a message?  Probably not, just pre-season.

248 Responses to “Impressions All Around as Raptors Fall in Detroit”

  1. mobchester

    Drummond is a man child , he made jonas . Amir , bargani and davis look like bitches , in my opinion if he plays like he will beat out davis for the rookie of year , the kid is a mini howard , how did we pass on him again imagine him and jonas frontcourt

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    • 2damkule

      first off…let’s settle down a bit.  drummond is more than likely going to be a fine player, but it was a single game, against guys that we (i.e. raptor fans) malign to no end.  i didn’t see anything from drummond that changes my perspective of him.

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      • nottheendoftheworld

        Basically, he could be Dwight, he could be Joey Dorsey. I think most scouts predicted the latter.

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        • nba_socrates

          When have you seen Dorsey dunk like that or play hard at both ends this consistently? He may not become a Dwight Howard but i think he can become a Deandre Jordan type and depending on how hard he works on his post moves can surpass him. This kid is 19 and already has an NBA body and is still growing.

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          • 2damkule

            that’s the comp that was rattling ’round in my head last night.  he’ll be a beast within 3 three feet, and a better defender than DJ…but, there are certainly valid questions.  whether his limitations are merely speed bumps on the way to him developing an overall game remains to be seen, but it won’t take long for the hack-a-drum strategy to come into play.

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          • john g

            So what if he has an NBA body. He has to have the motor and the smarts to be a good NBA player. If he is so big and dominate, why didn’t he do anything in college. Anthony Davis is skinny as Jonas and he dominated.

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            • nba_socrates

              What you aforementioned in your comments i believed he showed it all during the game. Body, motor,smarts = check.
              And also you dont need to dominate in college to have a good NBA career.

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              • CJT

                You may be right, but everytime I watch him, I can’t help but feeling that he is headed for a major meltdown.  I don’t cheer against anyone and I hope that he turns out to be a great player, but there is just something about him that makes me nervous.

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                • nba_socrates

                  Look at Deandre Jordan, his athleticism alone coveted him a $40 mil contract. If you’re big and athletic then you will be a handful even if you don’t possess other skills.

              • KJ-B

                The thing about players from the major programs like Carolina, Kentucky, UConn maaaybe Duke, you never know how good they until they turn pro bc their teams are soo deep… I.E. Jordan being drafted #3, UNC; Gay #7 UConn, and the umpteen players that seemingly come out of Kentucky annally–I remember ppl questioning Gay’s work ethic when I wanted him drafted #1 by the Raps–was shocked when MJ chose Morrison over him.. 

                You can’t teach size an inhuman strength–Drummonds will be good as he wants to be…that alone merits top 4 in any draft!

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                • KJ-B

                  “you never know how good they until they turn pro bc their teams are soo deep… I.E. Jordan being drafted #3, UNC; Gay #7 UConn, and the umpteen players that seemingly come out of Kentucky annually..” — would love to have spellcheck sometimes, lol!

              • john g

                But he hasn’t shown me anything but a pre-season game to prove that he is a good player. All I have to judge him by is college. And with a big dude like that, you think that he would, like your saying, dominate the paint and block every damn shot. With Jonas, he has proven on a top level U19 FIBA championship, that he can be a good player in this league. He was the MVP of the tournament. And he also was the starter for his national team, even though he played minimal. But Jonas coming it has more experience and is more fundamentally sound than Drummond, plain and simple. We have a better center for the future already.

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                • nba_socrates

                  Jonas will have a good steady career no doubt but i don’t see his ceiling as being that high, but from what i saw of Drummond is just scary how good he can become if he works on his game

                • Lucas

                  To be fair, though, you could see that the Detroit guards had already developed some chemistry with Drummond. They had a good sense of what he could do athletically speaking, and he had received some good instruction and practice on what to do to take advantage of those abilities (like when he slipped the screen on Amir).

                   
                  I’m hoping to see some similar things from Jonas and Jose/Lowry, once they get well acquainted with each other’s games and abilities.

                • nba_socrates

                  Im not even sure if Lowry is better than Calderon or Lucas. Dont put too much expectations on Val, he needs another 3 years to develop his own niche.

                • john g

                  And you can see NBA teams are not actually playing great defense in the PRESEASON. He ain’t getting no alley opps or any dunks at all during the regular season when teams are actually prepared and put a man in front of him.

                • CJT

                  don’t agree, all of AD’s points came because of the point guard.  He relied on knight for all his opportunities. 

                • nba_socrates

                  Yes but thats all he needs for the next year or two. He doesnt need to go out and score 20 points a game. Saying hes relying on point guards? really? what exactly do you expect him to do? This is a team game and to see that he already has chemistry with his team mates after a short period of time only speaks volume on his part.

                • CJT

                  disagree again.  I don’t think chemistry has anything to do with it.  PG breaks down defenders causing big to leave AD unguarded.  That does not have anything to do with AD or his skills unless you believe that most 7 footers wouldn’t be able to catch a lob, unguarded, and dunk it. 

                • nba_socrates

                  Lol when has will bynum ever been able to break down defences with that kind of regularity ever in his career. This is all due to AD being a presence on the floor, just face the facts.

                • CJT

                  That makes perfect sense.  AD is camped out under the hoop and he has some sort of mysterious ability to alter the play of the guards on the perimeter.  Maybe enroll in a logic class or two.

                • nba_socrates

                  Hey if it was that easy to do what you’re portraying why didnt i see Amir or Val do the same thing, camp out under the post and just dunk on everyone.
                  Hes making his team mates better, ive never seen will bynum play like that ever, this was all due to AD soo give the boy some credit.

          • Lucas

            So now we’re referring to one game (his FIRST, and a pre-season game at that) as the benchmark for consistency? I’m not saying this kid is not going to be any good, but his flaws where always his lack of motor, focus, and basketball IQ.
             
            Nothing about last wiped away those concerns, in my mind. Tomorrow night could be a perfect example: if he falls flat, that could be the very definition of inconsistency.

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            • nba_socrates

              The only ones who will be falling flat are the sub par players Colangelo drafted the last two or three years. Heck im not even sure about this Quincy Acy, he only got a look in because he resembles Reggie Evans. Thats just pathetic way to bring a player in.

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      • onemanweave

        Agree settling is in order. It was one game, an exhibition at that.
          However, it does point out that Drummond MIGHT have considerable upside.  We had a chance to draft a potential dominating big man and passed for TRoss.  Some of the biggest blunders at draft day result in drafting for need at the expense of superior potential.
           Ross may turn out to be a good solid wing, maybe a better overall player than Drummond. Nobody knows for sure at this time.
           However, when you have the chance to draft someone with Dwight Howard potential that late in the round, as I said immediately after the draft, I strongly believe you need to take the gamble even though there are obvious pit falls, or he wouldn’t have still been available.
           TRoss may turn out to be better but I haven’t heard anyone pegging him to be a super star.  BC made the safe pick, not necessarily the wise one.  Again, I’m not using the ‘hindsight’ of one promising exhibition game. I was singing this tune on draft night and catching considerable flak for it.

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        • Nilanka15

          With the outcome unknown (i.e. whether or not Drummond turns into a real player), how was selecting him the “wise” pick?

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          • onemanweave

             It’s a wise pick if he turns into an elite NBA centre. It’s foolish if he turns into Darko Milicic. That wheel, as I believe I mentioned, is still in spin.

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      • Destro

        Thats cuz ur an idiot….hes 7 foot 280 lbs of crazy athleticism and last night was really just an appetizer of what hes going to be…

        He’ll be ten times the player euro Val is going to be…That alley oop from Bynum was crazy….he 280 flying thru the air like a 2 guard…

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        • Matt52

           And what happens when or if the knees or body suddenly give out from carrying 280lbs since late teen years?

          What happens if the one game effort he displayed is not sustained and he reverts to the Drummond so many scouts were whispering about prior to the draft?

          What happens when he is hitting 30% from the ft line?

          I don’t know the answers to this questions.  Really my only point is it was one preseason game.  I don’t think any conclusions can be drawn yet.  But I do agree Drummond looked impressive.

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          • What the

            p00ka ! listen to all this Malaky from this guy “What Happens” what happen if hooleeee guy, mybe BC should have thought about “What Happens” if #7 AB13 isn’t the one to build this team around after almost 7 years …we’ll see  WHAT HAPPENS this season.                                                             

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            • Matt52

               Maybe you didn’t get the references:

              JV is athletic and long and not 280 pounds.
              JV is known for his all out effort, intensity, drive, and work out.
              JV is a tremendous foul shooter.

              280 dunks are great but there is a lot more that goes in to being a great basketball player than a few highlights.

              Bargnani has nothing to do with this.

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              • Matt52

                 That should be work ethic about not work out.

                Also, Drummond did impress.  I can’t emphasize this enough.

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    • sleepz

      You’ve yet to see what happens when Drummond has to put the ball on the floor or take a shot outside of a dunk off a lob or putback.

      He has potential but he won’t be winning rookie of the year.

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      • The Rub

        I think I’ve yet to see what happens when Dwight puts the ball on the floor or takes a shot outside of dunk or putback.

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        • sleepz

          I hear you, but Dwight has way more game (although limited offensively) than Drummond at this stage in their careers and Dwight is obviously the most imposing defensive presence in the league. Drummond ain’t there yet.

          Not to mention, I guarantee you Drummond will shoot much worse from the FT line than Dwight does, believe it or not.

          Not knocking the kid as I would like him to do well seeing he has JA parentage (hey some of Andrea’s supporters back him as their countryman don’t they?lol) but the Dwight comparisons are not fair and waaaay too early.

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        • Destro

          You dont need to see him put the ball on the floor because hes dominat around the rim….you dont ask a 7 ft athletic center with muscle to “put the ball on the floor”

          You ask him to dominate around the basket….Its funny how you discredit some of these big man because they dont dribble outside the paint like YOU want them to do but you wont ask Bargnani to stop taking 3s and start trying to play like a legit C and try to do dominate around the basket like a true big is supposed to do…

          Some of yall are just terrible basketball analytics with stupid opinions of players and what they should be doing….

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          • cesco

             It has always been said that Andrea is a SG in a 7 foot body , never was or will be a true center BUT one on one he has defended Shaq , DH and Duncan well . You got to give him credit for that aspect of his defensive work .

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            • Destro

              Theres no such thing as a 7 foot SG….Hes a Center thats been made a PF too cover up his softness in the middle…

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              • GN. FLAVIVS PHILOVERITAS

                 That’s just ridiculous…being 7′ tall does not make you a centre…it is all about style of play. It’s like saying there is no such thing as a 6’9″ point guard…tell that to Magic Johnson. Or maybe Charles Barkley at 6’6″ wasn’t really a power forward but a 2 guard without quickness or an outside shot.

                In reality a centre is whomever guards the basket down low in a normal defensive set, and who traditionally takes the tip off. Positions in basketball are just a theoretical construct for coaches to use in designing plays.

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                • Destro

                  WTF you cant really be THIS dumb ??
                  NO nitwit positions in basketball are NOT theoretical which is why you dont have 6-5 players guarding the basket and 6-11 guys running the point…Dont be so cot dayum stupid….Bigger guys play big man positions and the small guys are the ball handlers for a reason…Magic and barkley were anomalies..im going to assume you know what that word means…You cant name me another single PG in the history of the game whos 6-9…and PF 6-6 you can count on one hand and yes of course you also happened to name to HOFers…

                  smh…

                • Gman

                  THe point he’s making which is absolutely true regardless of your ridiculous ignorance is there are 6’11” SF’s and there are 6’7″ PF’s and height doesn’t necessarily denote position.  

                  And then of course to try and prove your opinion you went to absurd lengths…

                  No there are no 3 foot centre’s or 8 foot guards…see I can do it to and it still sounds stupid.

                • What the

                  WoW! see #7AB13, the raps 7 ft. point guard…i guess BC would be willing to try any thing and see  WHAT HAPPENS

                • GN. FLAVIVS PHILOVERITAS

                  For the record I personally see Andrea’s offensive game as a spot up shooter/occasional slasher some would call that a 2-guard or a SF’s role on O but on D he doesn’t have the quicks to guard a 3 or under. Coaches play him in a 4-5 role on offense because of the match-up problems he creates pulling an opposing big out from the paint. It too easy to look at a guy and say he’s 7′ and quick that makes him an NBA 4. Too many GM’s follow the same formula(7’+ C 6’9″-6’11 PF 6’8″SF 6’6″ SG  PG<6'5), position is more than just height.

              • What the

                i think he means s/f/c who grew out of his s/g body and one day might be the raptors p/g of the future

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            • What the

              holeee guy! now it has been said  #7AB13 is a s/f next he be our starting point letr go raptors

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      • Destro

        yes but dont tell me you didnt see enough to make you think right quick about how sorry that pick might make ya feel mid season…I did…

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        • sleepz

          I like Drummond but I know Colangelo was not going to take him, due to JV coming in. I also think the organization was lying when the said they had Ross higher on their draft board.

          Maybe they did, but at #8 I would hope you would go for best player available with the biggest upside. I like Ross but nothing screams out ‘star’ watching him play.

          I mean, I still didn’t like the Raps passing on Lamb or T.Jones but time will tell on all of this. It was only a preseason game so although Drummond was impressive last night, I will hold off on conclusions for a bit. 

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          • Destro

            I have a bad feeling on this pick….The slightly more athletic Mo Pete comparison is the one that makes you sad as a raps fan….esp if we start seeing Drummond start going ham this year….i dont care about FTs or mid range fukkalladat that athleticism and size is just too too impressive…that oop had me cooing like a young child for several mins….i fear what hes going to be and we passed up on it for what i think will be a bench player and a euro big who wont live up to any hype IMO…

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            • sleepz

              I hear some of the things you are saying but I also know you are a person that you believe that only time will tell us whats good and what isn’t.

              If I assumed wrong, my bad in advance.

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      • Destro

        He dont need to put the ball on the floor or take a shot..whats wrong with yall ?? Hes 7 ft 280 lbs he doesnt need to shoot 12 footers he has an advantage oover 90% of the league from 5 feet in…you dont ask a dude like that to shoot from farther away anyway….smh @ some of you…Would you have preferred Shaq to work on his mid range game more ?

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        • john g

          Sry not every shot he is going to be under the basket. Was there an actually possession where they handed him the ball in the post. Dude, would trip over his feet doing a drop step in the post or his hook shot would hit the shot clock.

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        • sleepz

          Nah man, when I say put the ball on the floor, I mean get it on the blocks and get into his move, whether it’s a drop step, dribble than jump hook, and that kind of stuff. I don’t mean he has to dribble and cross someone up.

          I more meant if he can get his shot on the blocks, which sometimes requires a dribble or two.

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          • Lorenzo

            Those smart internet comment board posters, they know everything, damn them!

            I don’t understand why owners just don’t look around places like here for some quality management.

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        • Derozan

          Shut the fuck up and stop sucking on his dick you pussy. It was ONE FUCKING PRESEASON GAME! If Solomon alabi put up 20 and 10 in preseason I guess you would call him Dwight Howard too. The dude has no post moves at all, all his points we off puts backs a oops and that’s because Amir was too slow to switch. I’ll be laughing when big v dominates drummonds pussy ass for the next 13 seasons. Big v was coming off an injury and blocked monroe(who is a way better post player than Drummond) 2 times without even jumping! Now sit your ass down. If you like Drummond soo much go watch the shitty pistons, no ones forcing you to watch the raps.

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          • Destro

            Another poster typing tough from the sanctuary of his modem/keyboard…

            go suck ur sisters dick…

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          • What the

            true dat , AB13 is waiting until it counts to unleash his 13 allstar play i can’ wait to see What Happens

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        • what the

          i would be happy if 7ft. #7AB13 could give me 9 rebound 10 point per nite which i think the Drum Man is going to be able to do , Big Ben with put back and lobs

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    • ghost

      Drummond’s celing at the moment is D. Jordan, until he learns how to shoot, develop any low post moves or put the ball on the floor. Wouldn’t get too excited yet. 

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  2. J_hostetler

    For those that didn’t watch, it would be helpful to reiterate some things….drive them home if you will.

    Valanciunas played outstanding defence on Monroe. Detroit iso’d the two on a number of occasions, and I counted three blocks by J.V. against Monroe playing man defence. He’s still out of position for rebounds, though. You can see him getting pushed around when fighting for position. Dude is a pick setting machine. Ma-chine.

    Bargnani. Terrible for the second night. Zero effort. Slow, uncreative off the dribble, bad shooting, no rebounding. Awful.

    Detroit guard penetration was killer. Raps had no answer, which is to say, Raps had no perimeter defense. None. It’s difficult to overstate how bad their perimeter defense was.

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    • What the

      you wait n see AB13 will be beasting next game  just like he did last season, aint that right Cesco he’s ready to take this team to the next level ,I can see the fire in his eyes did you see it ?

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        • FLUXLAND

          Euro Twin Towers:  JV 0 rebounds in 13 min, Bargs 1 rebound in 22 min.  Clearly, the road to the LOB is through those two.

          But hey, not like I expect big rebounding numbers from 7 foot shooting guards, amiright?

          It’s simply astounding how the myths of JVs tenacious rebounding and suffocating defense have died, as we were told to temper our expectations.    

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          • Destro

            Flux dogg…Im being told he is the savior the guy who will play a major role in this team making the playoffs THIS season…I have heard how skilled he is,tough and how hes a rebounding machine…NOW after a 2 pt/ 0 rebound effort (pre season noted) im told by these same posters and the same media shmucks that i have to temper my optimisim and “understand hes a rookie and he wont dominate right off the bat lol lol

            Where was that logical outlook 4 weeks ago when everyoje here declared him the savior and a future HOFer ?

            I dont wish for his failure or downfall i just like to laugh at all these fckn hypocrites who rushed to declare him a future franchise player….im taking down names right now,and im going to bang on every one of your clowns this season EVERY LAST ONE OF you….

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            • CJT

              What a suprise, you have employed selective reading for more than 4 weeks.  Demar looked good last night though.

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              • FLUXLAND

                Demar looked good and his team lost. YAY!

                Much to the delight of his backers, he got to the charity stripe at their desired quota, but the team notched a L, as is always the case when we’re watching him “get his” at the line.

                DD needs to rebound (like everyone else), because when he does, the Raps win.

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                • Destro

                  Exactly your a faggot who posts with faggoty undertones….and when the actual argument is presented you run and hide like the bitch you are…

                   

                • CJT

                  The first time you present an “argument” and don’t say that you didn’t mean it to be taken that way, or that everyone misunderstood it, and back out of your original point etc. etc. I will happily respond to it.  Enjoy the nuts.

                • Lorenzo

                  That’s hilarious considering it’s what you do all the time. Sidestepping the topic and hen making it look like your point is valid. Which it is not.

                • john g

                  You understand its PRESEASON and a W doesn’t really matter that much and the starters aren’t going to play big minutes. Its about getting players acquitted to the system.

                • CJT

                  not sure what that means, but if it has anything to do with balls and Desto’s mouth, sure.

            • FLUXLAND

              The propaganda spin-o-rama around this kid has been down right criminal.

              It’s not a knock against international/Euro players, it’s just the one’s BC picks. Andrea there’s no sensible reason to knock, if you knew anything about him pre NBA, “banging” on him is downright asinine and ignorant.

              But that doesn’t change the fact BC builds (historically) fundamentally flawed teams. This kid was advertised as a culture changing cornerstone piece, one that eats glass. I don’t care about anything else he does, you’re either a banging glass eater or spectating lap catcher, and there’s too many of those on this team already.

              What happened to all the defensive team talk? This outfit is 10 games away from 7 second or less (spun as “off our defense”) and typical BC team indictment.     

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            • hater

              lol at take names down and bang on evry one of us over the internet?? lmfao wut a tough guy u are!! lmaoo 

              who are these ppl tht called him a franchise player dummy?? the imaginary ones in ur dumb little head?? dumb fk

              cant wait to see wut yr gonna say when all ur predictions turn out wrong ex…terrence ross wont see the floor this season…drummond is the next kareem…jvals ceiling is mosgov….derozan is a top 10 athlete…and the list goes on and on….hope u stick around to see ur pathetic predictions fail like they always do retard

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              • Destro

                Yea its called a figure of  speech asshole ever heard ? Those people are littered all over thos board,dont be a lazy ass faggot and just read the comments about him and youll see what i mean…my predictions never fail faggot cuz i know basketball while you geeky lil cacs in here think basketball is a game of formulas…

                faggot!

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                • hater

                  u know basketball? lmao u know jackshit. ur nothin but a dumb fk fake tough guy actin all hard “taking down names” on an internet site. lmao figure of speech smh…. so go sit in ur corner and stfu!!

                • Destro

                  Yes im taking down names..nice to see you have ZERO sense…go back to sleep Lil Johnny…

                • Destro

                  lololololol this faggot mad as shit and getting all his angst online where he wont get hit with a real time punch in the mouth…internet safe friend !!

                • p00ka

                  Wow, you finally looked in the mirror,,,, AND shared what you saw with us. Always good to see growth in a kid.

                • hater

                  lmao if u talked like this to other people to their face youd be dead by now you little pussy or at least knocked the fuck out

            • ZZ

               Funny enough, you’ve been declaring Drummond a Dwight Howard after one preseason game throughout these comments.

              Get a grip, dude.

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          • john g

            The stat box does not tell the whole story of how he played. He set pretty solid screens to get players great looks and also was able to handle his own down low one-on-one defense in the post.

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          • Sangitom

            Wow. Good luck to you finding your mate for life in 13 minutes. You must be a genius in life…

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        • What the

          don’t tell me tell the little 4 in Cuba  LBJ,WADE,BOSH and ray ray cause the are going to shlt themselves when they hear this …JV&#7AB13 fear the Euro, good lord

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    • Solo Miranda

      Bargnani always played bad in every pre-season. I’m impressed with DD so far for being aggressive with the ball and not passive like last years.

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          • 2damkule

            mentally too…just a bit unaware of what’s going on around him, where he is on the floor, where his man is (andrea: if you can’t find your man, look at the hoop…that’s where he’s going).

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            • CJT

              yes, I agree.  I thought he got better throughout the game on that, but certainly not great right now.  I suppose sitting around resting your calf for 6 months doesn’t necessarily do good things for your game.  He looks like he is just out of shape.

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              • What the

                blame it on rain yah yah {vinng nilly}or nelli belli something like that.lol …now AB13 can’t be our point guard he’s too slow

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            • pran

              i completely disagree about the mental part. after 7 years he is who he is. He has always shown below average defensive awareness and always had a tendency to cover his man rather than protecting the rim. I’ve always had less of a problem with his rebounding than his lack of ability to alter shots in the paint.

              Offensively, if you’re too slow to blow by your man, and you’re still expected to manufacture offense, you guessed it, welcome back mr highly inefficient jump shooting 2010 bargnani. That guy pissed us ALL off. (bargnani is a GOOD shooter not a GREAT shooter, he’d have okay nights when his shot was falling, and really poor nights when they weren’t)

              the fact is bargnani’s ability to shoot from 3 ALONG with his ability to blow by drawn out defenders(who respected his shot) and finish (which he did extremely well) is what made him so effective.  

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          • What the

            buddy will you please stop riding AB13 ,can’t you see our 20061st^#7AB13 is waiting for opennig nite, give the guy a break just you wait untiil openning nite he’ll show ya (sarah palins voice}

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        • KJ-B

          iT’s the extra 15 lbs he put on–was a good idea in the summer eating mom’s homecooking and lifting tin…what he needs is track coach to make him run sprints ALL DAY!!!

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    • j bean

      I don’t know his percentage outside the NBA but if it’s higher it could be that mentally he is turned on by being the #1 scoring option playing for his country.  Occasionally he has a big game here but is inconsistent and not great defensively. It’s really a shame when you see how good he could be.

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    • Statement

      I’ve often wondered that myself.

      Hypnotise him to think he’s playing across the Atlantic or something.

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      • 2damkule

        well, it’s pretty simple…in the nba, as arse mentions, his skills are mostly average, and he doesn’t do any one thing at what would be considered a high level…ok & good in lot’s of areas, but not exceptional (or hell, even above average) in any.  so, when he’s playing internationally, not only are his ‘ok/good’ skills better than most of his teammates (putting him higher in terms of being an offensive option in the pecking order), but the defense he’s going against is likely less well suited to defend his ‘ok/good’ skills than are guys in the NBA.

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        • Statement

          IMHO, the drop-off in his productivity is substantial though.  I wouldn’t think that the Euroleague is THAT much worse than the NBA such that an All-star turns into a scrub.

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          • Gman

            Especially considering he played tough against the American team which is an All Star team.

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      • What the

        we could try starttng Calderon-Kleiza-Jonas- Barg-Gray that might make him feel at home {eurostyl}

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    • john g

      I think he realizes the 3 point line is actually further and every time he steps on an NBA floor, he gets psychologically fucked in the head

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  3. 2damkule

    seeing as how it was game 2 of the pre-season, it’s kind of hard to draw anything from it.  to me, the same perspective we have for summer L needs to be extended to pre-season…a great game in either isn’t going to tell you a whole lot, but for those players who struggle…well, it’s kinda/sorta a sign. 

    ed davis…holy shit, the signs are not good.  i just don’t know with this guy…he carries himself on the court with some kind of ridiculous unearned swagger and that crabby scowl on his face, but jeezus fuggin krist, we’re into the 3rd year and he’s still figuring out how to retain possession of the ball in the blocks?  really?  i mean, there’s a development curve, and then there’s a DEVELOPMENT CURVE, y’know?  if he has a skill that is above-average for his position, i’d appreciate someone letting me know.

    demar – shooting aside, you’ve gotta give him props for recognizing he’s limited in that area & embracing the idea that in order for him to survive in this league, he’s gotta get to the line.  i’m just not sure why there are starts/stops to that mentality…it’s as though he’ll go to the hole, get fouled, get to the line a few times…and then kind of of go away from that.  going to the line 6 times in the first few minutes of the game was great…going there 4 more times for the rest of the game (and granted, he played much less in the 2nd half)…not so great.  i get that it takes a toll on the body, and he can’t be doing it on every possession, but still.

    not a whole lot else stood out…i like how ross doesn’t hesitate on offense, if he feels he’s got a shot, he takes it (whether it’s a good shot or not is somewhat beside the point, he’ll figure that out in time).  defensively, he’s got good natural instincts, seems to understand spacing, how to get around/fight thru picks, etc.  the potential is there.  jonas was pretty much what i expected, a bit raw, but he was as advertised, showing hustle & good instincts on both sides of the ball.  i still wonder about the tyson chandler comparisons (as in, they’re stupid), as he’s more polished offensively, and i think he’ll struggle defensively (i.e. the opposite of chandler), but whatever.

    oh, bargnani…what positives can possibly be drawn from this game?  and his 2nd half sit-down was, IMO, a message from casey, but he sat down the starters together for a good chunk of time, either to send a message to all of them, or to avoid making it obvious that he was singling out any one player.  but what the fuck do i know, i’m just a hater.

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    • Copywryter

      I remember watching Ed Davis in this rookie year sulk about riding the bus in the D-League and thinking ‘this kid is going to whine and overvalue himself his whole career’. So far, so sulky. 

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    • Gman

      Listen I’m not defending Davis but you asked if he has a skill that’s above average for his position…rebounding.  No question.  He’s an excellent rebounder.  But with all the other gaping holes in his attitude and his game who really gives a f(*ck about his rebounding.

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    • sleepz

      Obviously Ed is an above average rebounder. It’s pre-season so it’s hard to make too many judgements and yes he had some trouble establishing position on the blocks but they tried getting it to him on numerous possessions which maybe means he’s getting that position in practice (hopefully anyways). Besides 3 years to start to develop a skill is nothing new for this team. There are players on the team that have received a lot more rope to show improve and still haven’t established themselves. Ed should have equal opportunity as that is how players on this team have been managed.

      Not sure if Demar has truly improved or is in “get paid” mode but it’s easy to see his game is better than it has been previously. Players are supposed to come back with something new each year and he has shown some abilities (still only preseason, I know) that we haven’t seen from him, i.e ball handling, post-up game, and generally good activity on both ends. This is the 1st time I can recall him getting the ball with someone directly in front of him and he try to ras’ it on their head. Yes he missed and the dunk attempt was not close but the effort was there.

      JV will be fine, Ross has a nice stroke but needs protein shakes and the weight room, Jose’s defence is and will always be a liability, and Andrea looks like 66-13, although it’s still preseason so everyone gets a clean slate once the season truly starts.  

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      • KJ-B

        ED Davis has always needed 1 thing: PT= minutes…honestly, that’s where the #7 PF conversion hurt the most–MLSE created their own problem…what else is new???

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    • unknown guest

      No, no, we all know how much you like Bargs :) I’m actually suprised that there isn’t more hate after last night, but, it is pre-season after all.

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    • Statement

      ” if he has a skill that is above-average for his position, i’d appreciate someone letting me know.”

      Rebounding.

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      • 2damkule

        sure…because if there’s one thing that really resonates when he’s on the floor is what a tremendous rebounder he is…

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          • 2damkule

            i know…i’m just starting to feel like ED’s rebounding was the one shiny toy that we were hanging onto about him, and i wonder if we’re overblowing his efficacy at it.

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  4. The Ice

    My personal Impressions:

    – Lost by 2 after a sloppy start

    – Lucas III has Coach green light on shooting (will back up KL as JC is gone)

    – Raptors has plenty of 3 point shooters

    – DD has better handles. Yes, he has.

    – Eddy Davis OMG GTFO!

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  5. Ppellico

    isn’t this where I usually come to get my fair share of Gray bashing and Amir praise?
    So…what gives?
    Amir has a good game against a euro team then gets pushed around and plays like he is bumbed Gray got the call…a sort of kiddy fit. perhaps?
    Now Gray get just a sort of little tap on the shoulder…even though he was the only one grabbing rebounds and laying some really freaky big monster.
    Again…I have to snap that those who think Amir can be a full time NBA center is nuts!
    Here is praying Jonas can start and soon…
    Gray can ONLY give us so many minutes before the tree he is court dragging end to end wears him out. Plus his size 25 clown shoes must get heavy!!!
    Come on, Jonas! Get ready fast!!!
     
    Why can;t Jnas play WITH Gray? Is it possible for him to be PF????

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      • Ppellico

        ya…but NONE like Jonas! If you are suggesting Amir…forgetaboutit.
        He desn’t have the same under basket skills as Jonas.

        I understand we are better off with Gray coming off the bench and giving us 15 to 17 minutes…but I was juust groping for some better opportunities in the future,,,,

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        • Nilanka15

          I’m pretty sure Copywryter was referring to Bargnani as “a centre who player power forward”.

          But to Gray’s credit, he looked solid last night.  One of the few bright spots on an otherwise mediocre night.

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          • 511

            I’m not surprised that Gray looked solid last night. He wasn’t ever spectacular last year, but generally, he got the job done in workmanlike fashion, fairly consistently. 

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          • Ppellico

            ya…see, I guess I never understood why AB was a cener…other than height.
            I guess there is sooo ch more required, to me, to be a center. And Bargs just seems to not like to get real physical.
            Its one thing to be a center here n there throughout the reg season. But the NBA becomes this strange all rules gone inside during the playoffs. I see the most stupid fouling going on, some really big banging, and it suddenly goes from foul to so called hard ball.
            I guess I never really liked the fast, fleet o foot style centers for just this reason. They are really beautiful regular season…then all pushed around during the Playoffs.

            Its like they allow two really games in the NBA.

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            • 2damkule

              well, just for the sake of arguing…bargs was played at the 5 because that’s where he has his greatest advantage offensively (can pull bigs out to the perimeter & drive by if they body him, or shoot over if they slag off), & where he (purportedly) provides his best defense (man-on-man, post D is supposed to be a defensive ‘strength’).

              it was a bit of a failed experiment last year, IMO, when they had amir & ed playing C beside him, since the opposition could defend accordingly – essentially, with bargs at the 4 & either of those two at the 5, the opposition could use a smaller lineup (i.e. without a traditional big in the middle), and combat bargs’ supposed advantage (he tends to struggle when he has a mobile 4 on him).

              because neither amir or ed offer much of a low-post threat (ditto magloire & gray – sorry, pp), they didn’t have to worry too much about defending the post against the raps – at least not in the traditional sense.  as much as i think moving bargs to PF is a bit of a cop-out, and done mainly to hide his deficiencies rebounding & with help D, it may actually work over the long term if (IF!) JV can develop into a legit offensive weapon in the PnR/post-up game.  defenses will HAVE to respect JVs ability to roll hard to the rim as well as stick short jumpers, and most teams don’t have the luxury of having two above-average defensive post players on the floor all the time…which, in theory, should open things up somewhat for bargs. 

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                • 2damkule

                  sure, why not…any player with certain skills can be made more impactful in the right system.  it’s just generally more difficult to build an entire system around one guy.  IMO, you’d need guards/wings that were proficient at stopping dribble penetration, a beast of a defender/rebounder at the 5 (who’s also at least above-average offensively), and at least 2 other guys on the floor who can create for themselves & hit from deep. 

                  of course, if you’ve got those components already…you don’t need andrea bargnani.

                • cesco

                   Someone posted a link to an article which showed Andrea has good stats against his direct opponent on defense . When I locate that article I will stick it under your nose .

                • 2damkule

                  feel free.  might do you good to actually read it, since if it’s the one i’m thinking of, the article also talked about how he’s a piss-poor help defender & rebounder (hence the need for a beast of a rebounder/defender playing in the post with him).  

                  the point i was (trying?) to make was that the kind of teams that bargs would ‘fit’ better in are likely already well-built, and as such, either don’t need him (or his very specific skill-set), or would use him in a very different role (i.e. scorer off the bench).

                • cesco

                  Yes , that is the article . With Jonas defending the post , the team will become one of the best defending teams in the league and Andrea will do his share like when 
                  he dart outside the perimeter and make life difficult for those guards ( and run back to defend his man ).

              • FLUXLAND

                Develop…lol..

                Riddle me this: what’s the last player that’s “developed” under BC?

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          • CJT

            Classic.  No one even responds to this stupic center playing power forward comment anymore.  Just move along, nothing to see here.

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  6. mobchester

    Why didn’t the raptors played zone defense it would have helped big time , cause the pistons can’t shoot for shit

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    • c_bcm

      PREseason. Meaning evaluation. Gotta figure out who can do what. The goal is not to win these games.

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      • Nilanka15

        I wouldn’t say the goal isn’t to win.  Winning is always the goal.  But perhaps in preseason, getting to know which players can actually play, is a bigger goal than winning.

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  7. Milesboyer

    Broad sweeping/jump to major conclusions after one game perspective:  Andre Drummond is and will be way better than Valanciunas, Bargnani’s aloofness will always hold him back, we’re stacked at point guard and might have to play all three at once, Ed Davis will never be more than a barely serviceable backup, the Landry Fields signing was a complete waste – everything he does Alan Anderson can do and then some at a fraction of the cost, the defense looks scattered and slow (was Triano coaching again?), Greg Monroe is solid as is B. Knight, Detroit’s future may be brighter than ours and finally…..we should tank for the next two seasons so we can hopefully land A. Wiggins.

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    • Derozan

      You should just stop watching basketball. I can tell just by reading that your one of those complete dumbass’s who judge everything after one game. You will always find a reason to complain. I just can’t stop laughing at the Andre Drummond obessessions, y’all will find out soon how bad this kid really is. Nba body and throwing down wide open oops don’t mean shit if you don’t have any skills.

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  8. DC

    Bargina fucking blows to all the people that say this is gonna be his “all star year” I also got an island property to sell you. Bargina got owned by drummond a rookie. Who we could of drafted to play along with our other rookie jonas. But no BC’s first rule of thumb add no player that is or could be better then Bargina especially at his position. 

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  9. Gman

    There’s no question Jonas had three blocks last night, and there was possibly a fourth.  He jumped and the ball didn’t go in but if there was contact it was out of the frame, but at least three in limited minutes regardless of what the boxscore says.  They even showed a close up slow motion replay of the third…the kid could end up being a great defensive player.

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  10. KJ-B

    #7 is not in 7th heaven in his 7th season… yikes!  Looks supa dupa molasses type slooow… DeRozan dunking/attempting to dunk on folk is a GOOD sign!  I don’t know too many guys that athletic that have been great shooters–keep on trying, he looks to be worth the wait…

    As per ED and the other bigs having to play with #7…nobody pities you!  The guy’s 95% out of position and rarely lifts a finger to do his big man “chores” – only likes to look cool shooting treys and looong twos–really don’t get the fascination with MLSE anymore…5 above average games per year is NOT enough for his salary and or role as a “starter”… GREAT PICKUP IN LUCAS III!!!

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  11. cesco

    Jonas had the best +/- on the team with a +8 , only ONE FOUL and the following article shows the video of his first points scored in the NBA

    blog.raptors.com/valanciunas-show-flashes-in-first-game/

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  12. NyAlesund

    Drummond: alley oop, put backs and……………………….nothing. He doesn’t have a offensive movement, orrendus free-throw shooter (29%), but for all of you guys is better than most C/PF of the Rapt. C’mon. Oh yes, he grabs some rebs………..like ED.

    I prefer JV, more complete, with educated hands.

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    • nba_socrates

      Soo i guess Drummond didn’t have any defensive presence right? Big body, athletic freak of nature,  not bad on the pick on roll and making players like Will Bynum look like all star players, i guess all this escaped you? He has the ability to get easy buckets for now and build on his offensive repertoire.
      I have no doubt if he was in raptors uniform he would already be our best defender FACT. Hes also not bad at rebounding, the kid plays hard on both ends of the floor and im prtetty sure Colangelo must have read on one of those articles about Drummond being a potential bust and made his mind up on those articles without making any considerations for this guys attributes.

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      • p00ka

        No doubt BC, with support of the rest of the management team, scouting staff, and coaching staff, make their decisions based on articles they read. *rolling eyes*

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        • nba_socrates

          I guess you will continue to’rolling your eyes’ as long as BC holds the reigns as GM.

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            • nba_socrates

              Only one making silly guess and concluding to draft average players and passing on studs is your guy Brain Col*aint*no*clue

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                • Destro

                  First 5 GMs dont count tho,he wasnt going top 5….really legitimately it was 3 GMs who passed on him… 

                • CJT

                  Why don’t the first 5 count if this guy is going to be the next shaq or DH like all you guys said at the beginning of the thread.  Isnt that more valuable than many of the other guys chosen?

                • nba_socrates

                  Doesnt make it an exuse for Colangelo to pass on him. The mere fact that 7 passed makes the choice of not drafting him when he was there on a silver platter even more of a horrendous decision

                • Nilanka15

                  Not saying it’s an excuse.  Just pointing out that there were other basketball minds who thought Drummond was too much of a risk to gamble on. 

                  And one preseason outing doesn’t change that he’s still a risk.

                • nba_socrates

                  Colangelo should be doing his job and not listening to outside influences.Whats the point of having a team around him when hes only going to listen to these so called experts from the outside

                • Lorenzo

                  “Colangelo should be doing his job and not listening to outside influences.”

                  Umm… Terrence Ross? Was there not a universal facepalm when Stern called his name? And no, Dwane Casey is not an ‘outside’ influence?

                • FLUXLAND

                  Because you knew my thought s on AD at any point in time, or because you believe that I, like you, arrive at my conclusions based on what you read in the AP?

                  Worry about what’s going on in Pookavillage instead of incoherently babbling about things you know nothing about.

                • p00ka

                  Try and keep track of your own point. You said “only in TO”, which does not translate to the opposite being only you, or only AP.

                • Nilanka15

                  If the media can be trusted, most would agree that if Valanciunas was in the ’12 draft, he would be less of a risk than Drummond.

                  All the “he would’ve been the consensus #2 pick” talk (which isn’t necessarily my opinion) indicates as such.

                • FLUXLAND

                  If anything, (media ignored) it adds to the argument players are drafted for much more than just their skill, and brings GM motive/skill into question.

                • unknown guest

                  Agreed, and he CAN play. Certainly not a HOFF. I’d give TRoss (and the rest of the rookies) a whole season before we jump to conclusions.

      • NyAlesund

        I guess the JV’s performance escaped you, too.

        Do you think it would have been resonable to pick Drummond when we already got JV year before?

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        • nba_socrates

          Yes, look at houston rockets for example, they have a plethora of power forwards, they may not all work out but there are one or two who will become very good and the rest can be shipped out in a trade. I admire their general manger who actually has some balls. JV will be a nice player but Drummond has the qualities to propel him to stardom.

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          • p00ka

            You mean the Houston Rockets who since 2002 have drafted, as their #1 1st round picks, the likes of:
            Bostjan Nachbar
            Luther Head
            Rudy Gay (who they traded for Battier)
            Aaron Brooks
            Nicholas Batum (who they traded for Darrell Arthur and Joey Dorsey)
            Patrick Patterson – PF
            Marcus Morris – PF

            And for the 16th pick in a deep draft this year, picked another PF who’s terrified of flying?

            A fine example to aspire to, when the only good top picks they made never even saw a training camp with them.

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            • nba_socrates

              They still made more playoff berths than the raptors in that span soo they must have been doing something right

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              • p00ka

                Is the conversation about draft picks (I thought that’s what you were talking about) or playoff berths?

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                • nba_socrates

                  Just face it Val will not be able to handle the rigours of the NBA, and hes also injury prone. He’ll be a bust like Ed Davis

                • NyAlesund

                   So, you have sentenced Val after a few minutes of pre-season game!!!! OMG.

                • nba_socrates

                  Val will be a steady player. Hes not gonna be a bad player but he wont be stellar either.

                • nba_socrates

                  Your wife will do a better job with that. Maybe that will put him off dominating the raptors the next game.

                • nba_socrates

                  In raptor fans eyes he will be a bust because they put too much expectation of Val to be this kind of saviour. Look at how many articles have already been writing about him even when he hasn’t played a game in the NBA. Too much hype for someone who will have a steady career

                • CJT

                  you are almost at destro’s level of spinning your comments to make them seem relevant.  but no one’s buying it.  you can backtrack if you want but at least have the nuts to say you made a mistake or something.  Maybe you can explain how JV has played continuously for years with no history of injury and because of one strain he is now considered injury prone?  Sometimes you say stupid things. Nut up.

                • nba_socrates

                  The game is faster than euro league and its obviously putting a strain on him. Also the unwarranted expectation that he’s going to be this great next big thing has got to be weighing on his mind. Lets just hope he doesnt become another Darko

          • Destro

            Breh how can you admire Daryl Morey..i was with you til this post…hes a fckn idiot,only GM whos incompetence matches our own BC….

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            • nba_socrates

              We’ll find out if he is an idiot at the end of the season. I think hes doing something revolutionary thats never been seen in the NBA before, and remember they are still under cap with all the talents they possess, have an expiring contract of Kevin Martin. So even if things go haywire this season they have the chance to splash waves in the free agency next year. He’s taken a risk and i would rather have a GM that takes risks than one that sits around on false pretenses

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      • Nilanka15

        C’mon dude, try and be just a little bit subjective here.  Is it fair to draw conclusions based on 1 preseason game (especially for Jonas considering he’s a week behind all other rookies)?

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        • Destro

          Its fair to critique what we observed….Im not casting a stone on his career but i was underwhelmed by what i got….

          Its fair to suggest most star rookies do show you right from jump they are special…Drummond showed out,Anthony Davis played a great 1st game…even mediocre mid tier players like Terrence Jones balled out…I expected him to show more in his debut…thats a fair observation of LAST NIGHT…

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          • Nilanka15

            Fair enough.  Jonas did look lackluster last night.

            But when attempting to draw conclusions based on last night (for either Jonas or Drummond), that’s where things get fuzzy….

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          • Gman

            So the fact that he had three blocks in twelve minutes didn’t show you anything special?

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          • CJT

            who cares about a “star rookie” aren’t you more interested in a star for years to come.  Let him develop and learn like we have all been saying for months and look forward to what he will hopfully become.

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  13. p00ka

    meh, it’s the second preseason game. We finally have basketball back, so nothing wrong with looking at performances with a critical eye, but some people gotta take a pill and chill a little on the wide sweeping conclusions.
    Based on last night’s preseason games, James harden is a bum that shot 3/11 and had 3 TOs, while Eddy Curry looks like the second coming of Shaq, shooting 4/7 with 8 RBs in 25 minutes.

    It’s early preseason with 3 weeks to go before it matters!

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    • 2damkule

      i guess that’s why people likely aren’t drawing anything JUST from last night’s game, but rather, comparing how players fared last night (and against RM) against how they have fared in their careers to date…y’know, looking for subtle changes (hopefully, improvements), or signs of regressing, or lack of development.  i mean, ED played pretty shyte last night, but what’s concerning is that he’s still got that ‘oh wow, is he ever raw’ feel to him. 

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      • cesco

         To think that 2 seasons ago , someone on this blog was ready to go to the ACC and strangle BC if he played Andrea ahead of Ed the following season ( after Ed was posting all those double-doubles ) . I think that BC neck is pretty safe for now .

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        • sleepz

          Why would that make BC safe?

          When Lowry comes back and if DeRozan makes a leap forward there might be a reasonable argument (once again, might be) that Davis or Amir as starting 4 and JV as starting 5 helps improve your interior defence leaving scoring to Lowry, DeRozan, Ross, Lucas, Calderon, etc.

          The concern I have for Andrea this year is you cannot continue to feed him his 18-20 shots if he doesn’t shoot it at an efficient clip. DeRozan looks like he wants to be the 1st option. I’ll have to see it before I believe it but he’s playing like it which is a start.

          Andrea’s rebounding numbers could very well get lower this year with the roster additions and if he is not an efficient scorer and is the weakest link defensively then replacing him with someone who just scores more effectively but is not a liability on the defensive end is preferrable than continuing to ride him.

          The team has gotten progressively worse the larger his role has become. It’s not all on him for that don’t get me wrong (just look at the rest of the roster), but if Lowry doesn’t feed Andrea the way he’s used to this year and he doesn’t improve in other critical areas his usefulness to this team is getting smaller and smaller.

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      • p00ka

        I don’t fault people for expressing concerns with what they see, but I’m saying it’s way too early, with too small a sample size to conclude where they stand this season. The coaches and players have 3 more weeks, beyond the current 1 week of camp, to get their shyt together before the real game even starts. That’s a LOT of getting in shape, practice and coaching time to progress beyond what we see now.

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  14. Slap Dog Hoops

    IDK about you, but it seems pretty obvious to me that either or both ED or AJ should go.  

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  15. FAQ

    Okay, it’s only preseason and Casey is experimenting … win or lose, doesn’t matter.

    The two big questions are:

    1. When will this rookie and newby team jell and giggle like a serious NBA team?

    2. Will this team of disparate players develop a consistent competitive team “soul”?

    Jelling will take several months before they get their sh!t together. They have a good complement of PGs but beyond that it’s problematic. DD is giving it all he’s got since it’s his last contract year… and he is likely preparing to get traded.

    To develop a soul, they need an outstanding team leader and a potential all-star.. who is not yet evident. Raptors are still a soulless team… quite obvious.

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  16. FLUXLAND

    1. When has any BC team jelled?  and Giggle? I believe Sonny is no longer on the team, but Fields seems ready to take over the clown show, entertaining the troops during losses and whatnot.

    2. Unless KL does more than “contribute” – never.

    You have a bunch guys with agendas and things to prove stat wise, they will never jell. Casey is not trying to figure out how to get a bunch of overwhelming talent to sacrifice their games in order to get wins.  He’s got a bunch of misfits that force fans to wish all of them fire at all cylinders every night and hoping to grab a W from sure defeat.

    Our average PG is 6’0 tall and player average defense, at best.  I’m not impressed at all, if anything BC’s love for miniature guards continues.

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    • FAQ

      WOW!!!This discussion has gone viral !!!!

      So you’re insinuating that this Rap roster is not only talentless, it’s also soulless?!

      If you look at their salary table on hoopshype, I think you may come to the conclusion that most of the current roster will not be in Toronto within two seasons.

      It’s like the Raps are getting washed out an in a perpetual spin cycle.

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  17. raptors2013

    LOTTERY 2013 HERE WE COME!

    TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK

    FIRE BC!!!

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  18. Phat AlberG

    It’s Preseason relax!  You guys are hilarious Drummond makes a couple of dunks on Amir & Ed and you guys given the title as next Dwight Howard.  Any NBA scout said if Val was in this last year Draft he was going #1 or 2.  I’ll be honest I like the make up of this team a lot, yeah they’re young but the potential is there to make playoffs that’s all I can ask for as Raptor fan.   But I think it was a huge mistake to bring back Calderon & Ed Davis. Because I know it’s only 2 preseason games but I love what John Lucas III brings to the table & Val.  But I’m dying to see Kyle Lowry play with this team because he’s not going take no isssssh from nobody.  

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  19. Kujo

    This Ed Davis pick is looking worse, and worse.  It’s put up, or shut up this year.  I’m just about done with the guy.  

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    • Nilanka15

      It was a horrendous draft beyond Davis’ 13th pick.  I don’t blame the pick at all.

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    • CJT

      I thought for a few days you were trying to rise above your troll status, but ultimately you just couldn’t resist.  I for one appreciated the effort you made to make more relevant comments.  Sorry to see you ran out of ideas.

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  20. rapsallday

    I heard it said before and I’ll say it again…. JV and AD would be a vey scary duo…
    However…. JV and ED can develop into something very intriguing defensively if given the time, attention and work in the weight room…
     

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