Says Casey:

“(The performance of Lucas) throws a monkey wrench in there. We’ve got to look at the three-guard rotation, the two of the three playing together at some point, which may bump Landry (Fields) to the three or DeMar (DeRozan) to the three or whatever,” Casey said.

Says Calderon:

“All of us, we’re different, different speed, different kind of games. That’s good for the team, (it) is more difficult for the other team to adapt their defence to our offence.”

Say the fans:

PG controversy!

Naah naah. This ain’t no PG controversy, it’s a plethora of choice, each one better than the last. In that regard it’s much like the lineup at the Rail on a cold Thursday evening. Half-joking aside, this is a “problem” that resolves by itself quite naturally. Before we start sticking DeMar DeRozan at the three and start putting out an under-sized backcourt in a 2-PG lineup, let’s wait and see if this really is the surplus that some think it is.

The situation is quite simple: Lucas has made the case for minutes in the pre-season thus far, and if that continues to be the case at the outset of the season and beyond the honeymoon period, then you start thinking about your options here. Certainly, you don’t start adjusting your basketball strategy just to accommodate players, you trade from surplus to address deficits. Just like the two-PG lineup of Jack/Calderon, Ford/Calderon didn’t click, there’s no reason to believe putting out another midget at the two will do the trick.

Source of this logjam is Kyle Lowry who will play tonight versus the Wizards. Says Casey on Lowry who looked a little tired considering he’s had 12 days off:

“He looked good. Mentally he’s there, physically he’s still working, he worked a little longer. . . just because he needs to run, he needs to work, and he understands that.

While Casey says Lowry was tired, Lowry says no kidding:

“I’m still fatigued. I had 10, 12 days off for resting and rehab so my conditioning isn’t there, but there’s time, I’ve got 15 days to get right”

So there you have it, let’s recap:

  1. We have three point guards and two spots, the question is whether we’ll trade Calderon for something or pretend this is actually a good thing.
  2. Lowry is back, still tired, but ready to go.

Terrence Ross spoke too and I know I’m going on a tangent, but man, do rookies ever look skinny, eh? Every time I see him on the screen I keep thinking, “Who’s this skinny black dude we got?” then I’m like, “Hey man, that’s Terrence Ross!”, and then I go, “Damn, that dude looks skinny”.

As the reporters were asking him deep questions like “So far so good, eh?” somebody decided to ask who he’s looking most forward to playing against and I’m thinking LeBron? Kobe? Wade? Naaah…it’s Terrence Jones. Yeah, Terrence Jones, just because they grew up together. Imagine if he doesn’t play against Portland or Jones doesn’t get in the game against the Raptors? Ross will be devastated.

Some interesting matchups tonight. We get to see Jonas Valanciunas take on Emeka Okafor, who will give him a good contest for those rebounds and will keep up with him on those rolls. The aforementioned Ross perhaps go a little toe-to-toe with Bradley Beal, who has Jordan Crawford in front of him much like Ross has DeRozan. There’s no John Wall due to injury (out till end of November) so Lowry gets to go up against Jannero Pargo, assuming he starts. Meh.

You like offensive-minded power forwards not known for their effort or defense? You must be talking about Andray Blatche, who I really looked forward to watching for some reason and now that he’s with the Nets, this game carries less significance for me.

Prediction: Raptors 92, Wizards 82 – Jonas with a double-double.

  • mobchester

    Can’t wait to see lowry play, I can’t stop watching his youtube videos . I think lowry is faster than T.J ford :)

    • FAQ

      KYLE “mighty mouse II” LOWRY ….!!!!!!!!

      Still no JELL-OOOOOO ….!!!!!!!!

  • Matt52

    Ross is lean.  He was lowest body fat % at the combine for last year’s draft.  3% if memory serves correct.

    I am excited to see Lowry play.  

  • Destro

    Lowry is going to take more rebounds away from Bargnani  :(

    • 2damkule

      i thought that was fields?  or jonas?  it’s hard to keep track of which players will be stealing bargs’ boards this year, lots of new faces.

      • unknown guest

        I call Lucas. He’ll get in the way and disrupt the flow of the ball falling into his hands.

    • DC

      Gonna be hard for bargs to keep up with that “2 boards per quarter average” that casey set last year with all this competition from the 6’0 pg and the 6’7 sf. Or is that reb average thing down this year? My prediction Bargs averages around 4 boards this year. 

      • Destro

        I just want to read the excuses..and you know they’ll be a completely new rolodex of them offered if that were to happen…

        lol @ his next NBA contract rebounds being a financial incentive add on…

        • DC

          lol @ the franchise that believes Bargnani is a cornerstone when he really should be a 6th man….Oh wait

          • unknown guest

            :(

        • Gman

          I think that’s a killer idea.  Would he his agent agree to it?  Hell no…

      • Statement

        I think it will reduce to a “2 boards per game” average.

    • Nilanka15

      No, it’ll still be Reggie Evans.  He’s that inconsiderate.

      • unknown guest

        Bosh, Reggie, Amir, etc. tsk tsk. I mean really. How inconsiderate are his teammates for stealing away rebounds.

        Oh. wow! Maybe that’s the REAL reason bosh didn’t get re-signed!

    • BadDinosour

       Watch out, JV is gonna vacuum-clean the boards, our bench is gonna go ape-shit on them boards and Landry is gonna jump from mid-court to take that one last rebound that Bargs almost got… Maybe, in situations of garbage time, they’ll leave Bargs a couple of minutes to grab one

    • p00ka

      Look up. Look way up. Does this article talk about AB or rebounding? I’ve been wondering about your obsession with AB, but it becomes clear after a while. You turn every discussion into AB and rebounding because it’s the only thing bball related that you can talk about and appear to have a clue what you’re talking about. Sad.

      • p00ka_is_a_fish

        Haha your Bargnani fanboyism is distrupting your vision of the truth.

        • CJT

          AB doesn’t rebound, that is fact and truth, but why bring it up every single article?  It has nothing to do with the thread. 

          • Destro

            Its a joke that was made breh….We joking about his lack of rebounding cuz its FUNNY…..dont strain urself trying to dissect a JOKE…

        • p00ka

          Your pathetic name changing is disrupting your hopes of becoming a man.

          • CJT

            that and the sex change.

            • Destro

              attached urself to a new fishie i see….thats my lil remora…

            • what the

              look up look way way up

              • CJT

                 some something resembling anything, please.

      • Destro

        A 7 foot big man who doesnt rebound because of of fear/work ethic too is worth discussing…Dont talk about B ball IQ son you never played a day in ur life…you was sittin next to Skee Lo in the stands… 

        • Nilanka15

          LMAO @ the Skee-Lo reference!!!

        • Statement

          HA…Skee Lo. 

          You know what I never liked about that song…. He said he wished everyday would be a Friday, but Friday is a workday for people, so he’s wishing everyday would be a workday.

      • yumyum

        pook you should be the next mod for the obama and mittens debate. look up, look way up now put it in your mouth

    • Statement

      Only 2 more years after this one for Bargs’ contract.  I wonder if cesco will still comment on the boards after Bargs leaves.

    • unknown guest

      Lucas is going to take more rebounds away from Bargnani  :(

  • Nilanka15

    Anyone seen any Thunder highlights so far this preseason?  I’m curious about Perry Jones.  His statlines have looked decent, but I haven’t actually seen him yet.  Is he playing the 3 or the 4?  Was really hoping we drafted this kid.

  • rapsallday

    To be honest, I don’t care if he averages 4 boards a game… If the Raps can collectively attain more rebounds than the other team….I’m good..I just want effort and playing like he cares…

    • cesco

       +1

      • Destro

        Dishonest and hypocritical…
        This is admission he sucks at rebounding cuz hes lazy and ur falsely willing to pretend it dont matter IF the team wins….Unfortunately its completely bogus because we all know if the team loses and he averages 20/10 yall will clamor him as an MVP,all star and not worthy of this organization….

        However if the team wins and he averages 15 and 2 you will pretend team success over his success is the new order…

        Yall basically are going to play both sides of the fence just in case…

        L  

        • CJT

          I don’t understand how you managed to create this wonderful story out of that comment.  If you can’t appreciate team effort that is fine, but it doesn’t make the guy dishonest. 
          Enjoy the nuts.

          • Destro

            The argument is dishonest because it isnt accepted for other players on the team….We allow provisions for certain players HERE as long as the team wins…

            • CJT

              What he said was HE didn’t care about AB rebounding or not rebounding as long as the team outrebounds the opponent.  That is not dishonest, it is his opinion.  Not yours.  It is clearly very important to you that everyone knows that you know that he isn’t very good at it.  Got it.  Move on.   

          • Destro

            Oh and i appreciate team effort but im not making excuses for incompetence…

            • p00ka

              Then stop making excuses for yourself.

    • Destro

      Stop it…if he averages 4 boards hes pathetic and it matters…Hes not giving you effort if he cant grab more than that per game… 

    • Destro

      We aint givin passes to Lowry if he averages 9 ppg and 2 dimes regardless of wins or losses…if DeMar averages 11 and 2 and is utter trash on D we will not give a shit if the teams over .500 right ?

      My fuggin ass…

      • j bean

        It’s ALL about wins and losses. The team that wins is worthy of fan support no matter the individual peaks and valleys.

        • Nilanka15

          I agree in principle that winning is the ultimate goal.  But if winning is made tougher because of a single player’s ineffectiveness, then there is legitimate room for criticism.

          I hate to use a hockey example, but if your starting goalie has a GAA of 4.00, but your team happens to score 6 goals per game, you’re going to win a lot of hockey games [obviously inflated, unrealistic numbers, but used to illustrate a point].  That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t demand a better performance/effort from the goalie.

          • Statement

            +1

            But seriously….IMHO, there is no more need for serious Bargs discussion.  I think we all know who he is.

            By all means, feel free to joke about Vegetable Lasagna all you want, however.

            • CJT

              Agreed. 

          • j bean

            You can criticize and demand a better effort from him but if you are winning don’t screw with the lineup. 

            • what the

              coverup

          • p00ka

            With all due respect, not a particularly great analogy. As usual, individual stats alone can be misleading in a TEAM game.

            To reference the hockey GAA, it can be reflective of overall team defense as much as reflective of the goalie performance. The guy could be the most skilled goalie, standing on his head to stop pucks, but if the team doesn’t play decent D in front him, he’s going to have an inflated GAA. Hmmm, maybe it is a good analogy, just not the way you intended.

            The thing with rebounds is that it is also a TEAM responsibility. I don’t mean to make excuses for ABs poor rebounding skills, but at the end of the day, what matters is that the team doesn’t get beat up on the boards. Last year has to be the first year I can remember where the Raps actually out-rebounded their opponents on the year. It wasn’t one or two beasts doing it, but the team.

            Damn, there’s lots of reasons to feel positive about what coach Casey is doing with this team. BC, with coach Casey’s wish list in hand, went out and got a very good rebounding PG and a good rebounding SF glue guy to add to the mix that also includes a very good rebounding rookie C.

            With Casey going into his 2nd year with the team, knowing very well what he’s got in Bargs, I’m betting the Raps don’t get beaten up on the glass much this year, and I don’t care which individuals get the RB stats, as long as the team is doing it, and they win games. I don’t care about the individual stat as much as I want to see Bargs boxing out and playing a team rebounding role, whoever the hell gets the stat.

            It’s a new year! Let’s see how things go when the real games get going. I have enough faith in Casey that he knows how to use AB in the best way to achieve team success, and if that happens, it doesn’t matter what his rebounding stat reads, except for sad sacks like Destroll who turn every discussion to ABs rebounding numbers.

            • Destro

              Ugh it matters what each player does….bargs numbers matters because hes the supposed best player,if ur best player is inept it needs to be discussed….if they are successful despite his incompetence that means he isnt that valuable and good be used as trade bait to fix other issues or just go in another direction…either which way it matters what he does…

              ONLY city in the NBA where the best players incompetence doesnt matter if the team wins ugh NOOOPE ! IT matters and we gon discuss IT !

               

              • p00ka

                Have faith. Some day you may grow up all the way to getting your head out of your ass. Read a book, if you know what that is, and you might find something else to discuss.

              • sleepz

                Another argument regarding rebounding is although he might not do it is he stopping his opponent form doing it?

                If he is not interested in boarding thats one issue but if he is also not interested in  keeping his man off the glass that is another issue as equally important.

                • CJT

                  I think this is the more important thing.  I did notice that he was boxing out well against Detroit, but don’t have any historical data to base anything else on. 

              • Douglasoakwood

                So your argument is Bargnani doesn’t have good numbers? Hmmm. He is a weak rebounder…get over it. He can score and the Raptors badly need that.

            • Nilanka15

              I don’t disagree with that you’ve said.  Winning is the ultimate goal, like j bean suggested.

              But theoretically speaking, if a couple of extra Bargnani rebounds per game can add a couple of extra wins for the Raptors, then it is worth discussing.  Now, I’m fully aware that it’s impossible to make such a causal connection between Bargnani’s boards and team wins.  I’m just saying that there’s always room for improvement.

              The Thunder win a shitload of games, and are one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but are among the lowest in team assists.  Despite that, I’m sure Westbrook gets some slack for not being more of a “quarterback”.  While acknowledging that Westbrook is an incredibly talented player, I don’t have a problem criticizing that aspect of his game.  I guess it’s the same situation with Bargnani.

              • p00ka

                Of course there’s room for improvement, and I don’t have a problem discussing it in a reasonable conversation, like you and I are having.

                It’s beyond irritating though, when we have a Destroll here every day, redirecting every topic to the same one, and getting into his childish punkass name calling toward anyone that counters his constant babble. I mean, c’mon, every fn day?

                Now back to team vs individual stats & skills. Everybody knows by now that AB will never be a rebounding beast. Since you used one, to use a hockey analogy, Mike Bossy played shit defense, but he was an integral piece to 5 Stanley Cup teams, because he could do one thing, score. There’s no single formula that guarantees a winning team in any sport. Coach Casey, who I have a lot of faith in, seems to feel he can put together a winning combination with AB being a part of it. After what he was able to do with the team last year, including AB individually, I say let’s see how this year turns out, rather than whining about past years stats every fn day.

                • Nilanka15

                  Life would be quite boring if we all thought the same, wouldn’t it? 😉

                  Having said that, I haven’t been this excited about a preseason game…..ever.

                  Friday should be even better with a raucous Bell Centre crowd (cheering at inappropriate times).

                • p00ka

                  Yes, boring, hahaha. Nothing worse than being in a room, or at a bar, with only people that agree with you.

                  I’m with you with the unexpected level of anticipation toward preseason games. According to Casey’s scrum yesterday, we can’t expect to see what he has cooking for rotations until the last 2 games, but I’m looking forward to see how Lowry is fitting in with his teammates, and how quickly JV is developing.

                  The Montreal game (wish I was back in my hometown) should be energetic with the Knicks in town, but you may underestimate the knowledge of bball base there.

                • Nilanka15

                  *Gulp* [realization that we have the same home town]

                • p00ka

                  LOL, it goes to show, even in Montreal, it takes all kinds. lol, just kidding.

            • cesco

              Destroll !!! , what an apt name for this guy .

            • what the

              look up look way up thats a frigging book you just wrote

      • CJT

        Thank Christ you’re not the one handing out passes. 

        • Destro

          I am and your a homosexual im sorry !

          • CJT

            Sorry you still have Demar’s balls in your mouth, what did you say?  Enjoy the nuts.

            • Guest

              zzzzzzz are we finished yet??

            • Larenzo

              he said get your face out of POOKAs ass

  • mobchester

    Lowry looks like a more control westbrooke with a better all around game

    • Destro

      Lets not go overboard…

    • Nilanka15

      I like Lowry, but I think you’re in for a rude awakening if you’re expecting anything Westbrook-esque.

    • DC

      Did this dude really just say Lowry had a better game then westrook? Chill……

    • Statement

      Just like Derozan looks like a more athletic Wade.

    • mountio

      I think everyone above me covered it .. but just to be perfectly clear .. you are out to lunch comparing him to Westbrook. RW is arguably a top three athletic player in the league (Lebron, Rose) and probably a top 10 player overall (and hes young!). Lowry is a good player .. but lets be real.

    • RaptorFan

      please dont say silly things like that again….you cant compare the two

  • paul

    Watched Okafor tons those 2 years Gray was down there in spicey fried food
    country.

    I really like the guy. Solid citizen and very good feet. Great rebounder.

    My oly issue with him was again like a lot of so caled centers today.he is
    really undersized. Another PF at center.

    I saw him get wacked soooo many times and simpy could not face the bigger
    centers. Howard killed him.

    But against JV…we have a real opportunity. JV should be able to out move
    him AND outreach him….he is also bigger.

    Okafor has put on a few pounds, but he also has gotten a little older.

    • Nilanka15

      JV’s distinct advantage will be in transition.  There’s no way that giant sea turtle can keep up with JV on the break.

      • Matt52

         sea turtle – lol

      • paul

        i know my memory sucks after my stroke…as does my typing and reasoning….not to mention a drooping eye and drooling…
        (not a pretty looking picture)
        but I remember Okafor really moving well and blocking shots and rebounding.
        I mostly remember him really struggling against big guys. He ran the floor well…just got pushed aside.
        Plus I think he was paid like 50 million a year!!!
        Well, ok..no tha much…but a lot more tan he was worth.
        Wasn’t he supposed to be another Chandle type player?
        Jeeze…all those “chandler” type references, huh?

        • pran

          i feel bad for you man.

        • FLUXLAND

           If you are not being dishonest; I feel for ya, dude.

  • Ion66

    I’d love to see Lucas used much the same way as Barbosa was when he was here. What I love about having an over-skilled 3rd point guard is that if one of our PG’s is on the shelf with an injury, we dont just end up treading water and hoping not to lose too many points while the backup plays. If Lowry and Calederon are fit, I can see Lucas coming off the bench to add a spark and some quick points, much the same as Barbosa, but with better passing.

    • CJT

      Or Barbosa with ANY passing.

    • Gman

      I like this a lot because I don’t believe that either Lowry or Calderon plays a full season.  And the thing that always seems to kill us is that significant injury(ies) at the worst possible time.  

  • B-rocula

    Anyone wanna buy tickets for the game 65$ ea 133$ face value? Center court close to the floor awesome seats

    • Destro

      Which game ?

      • B-rocula

        Tonight’s ….Probally a little late to get them though as I am 2 hrs out of town 45$ a pop if u wanna come grab them I have 5

  • Bendit

    Incorrect factoid:Terence Jones is with the Rockets…not Portland.

  • ad

    I dont think the raptors should worry about finding minutes for Lucas. Hes not that good. He is ok as a backup or 3rd stringer but lowry and even calderon are significantly better than him. I know hes had a good preseason but that means nothing. Plenty of shitty players have had good preseasons then did squat when the games counted.

    • Nilanka15

      IMO, Lucas is plenty good enough to be a backup PG, but just happens to have
      two better players ahead of him on this roster.  But I’ll be somewhat
      surprised if Calderon lasts the entire year in Toronto, so in 6 months’ time, we could end up looking back at this signing as one of the more underrated ones of the off-season.

  • j bean

    Lucas is significantly better defensively compared to Jose. Overall I think you’ll get a better + – from Lucas. His play last year with the Bulls raised his stature to at least that of a top backup. Out of respect to a long term Raptor and also to keep his value as trade bait, Jose will probably get the nod over Lucas ut that doesn’t mean he’s better.

  • nba_socrates

    Lucas is the best PG, Lowry will soon be sulking on the bench again. Well done Colangelo for bringing in someone who was going to be surplus to requirement  and going to cause friction in the locker room when he doesnt play

    • Lorenzo

      Oh nice one socrates, someone will surely bite on this one. Dance puppets dance!

      • nba_socrates

        You will soon find out. I just hope the weak coach Casey has the balls to drop him to the bench where he belongs when things go sour.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          So Lucas and Drummond would make the best PG-center combo for the Toronto Raptors future. Somebody put some sense in this kid

          • nba_socrates

            They would be a better tandem than the starters we have currently, you might not be a believer of Drummond but you will soon see. ROY and 2014 all star, he might even sneak into 13′ all star because of the weak centres we have in the east

            • Gman

              Anybody who calls themselves Socrates is obviously painfully self conscious about their intelligence and reading some of your posts I can see why.

              • nba_socrates

                Gman is your name.Gangster you’re not. Gman may admonish my sacred name but in due time Gman will learn to know my words were filled with candour

            • Douglasoakwood

              The fact that any of you would base a decision off preseason games explains why you can think Lucas is good. He scores because he dribbles 20 sec off the shot clock before he has to jack it. He’s decent but a 3rd PG none the less. Certainly not good enough to bother playing him or someone else out of position. If that’s the case the playoffs are laughable.

              • j bean

                Notice who was on the court to finish out the game. By the way the liked was an accident.

  • BadDinosour

    No TV broadcast of tonight’s game !!! Radio only! WTF!!???

    • Matt52

       Isn’t it on NBA TV Canada?

      • BadDinosour

         Hopefully it is, because I heard rumors there is no feed. I hope they were talking about a feed for the US. I think there is no feed for the US… which sucks for lots of people.

        • Matt52

           It is advertised as NBA TV Canada everywhere Raptor related.  I wouldn’t believe it until something comes out from the Raptors or NBA TV Canada.  As you mentioned, it is probably not available in the US.