Toronto Raptors 97 Final
Recap | Box Score
98 Charlotte Bobcats
Dominic McGuire, SF 25 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-2 FT | 8 REB | 5 AST | 0 PTS | -4

Was switched to guard Kemba Walker during the fourth and did a better job than Jose and Lowry, combined.

Andrea Bargnani, C 33 MIN | 9-17 FG | 5-5 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 25 PTS | +4

Appeared to be fouled on the release on that shot at the buzzer. For shame, because he had an otherwise decent offensive game including a couple big shots in the fourth. The defense was putrid and Charlotte was even isolating him against Mullens at times. If you`re wondering how a team playing small ball can outrebound a team with two 7-footers in the starting lineup, look no further than AB`s rebound contribution tonight.

Jonas Valanciunas, C 35 MIN | 8-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 16 PTS | +8

So it`s OK to play him 35 minutes on the second night of a back-to-back, but limit him to 25 and not play him in the fourth quarter of a game you`d probably have won if he was in the night before? He was awesome again and the lone big who made his size count. Great to see the PGs looking of him more and more. Word is that the Raptors want to restrict him to ”positive learning situations”, whatever that means and that’s why the weird subs.

Kyle Lowry, PG 36 MIN | 6-15 FG | 5-7 FT | 3 REB | 8 AST | 21 PTS | +3

Started off great and cooled as the game went on. Relished the matchup with Kemba who played him even. A couple selfish shots in the fourth quarter soured things, and you`d expect him to bring a little more composure to the unit down the stretch.

DeMar DeRozan, SG 37 MIN | 6-13 FG | 2-3 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | +3

Was played tough by Jeffery Taylor early and didn`t administer the punishment on the rookie which you`d expect. Once he settled down, he played well in the fourth including a massive And1, and by all accounts should have been going to the line with a chance to give the Raptors a lead, but the refs swallowed their whistle. Give credit to DeRozan, always tried to do the right things on the court and was aggressive all night. The single FT isn`t for not trying.

Ed Davis, PF 12 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -7

No idea why he was taken out, I thought he could`ve been the answer to our rebounding issues, especially in some stretches in the fourth quarter. However, when Bargnani plays well and Valanciunas a fixture in the middle, his minutes will be hit.

Amir Johnson, PF 11 MIN | 0-1 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 1 PTS | -2

I don’t even realize when he’s in and out of games most of the time. Like tonight, he played 10 minutes but was damn near invisible. He`s supposed to be our Bismack Biyombo of sorts, or maybe a functional version of Loren Woods, instead he`s carved himself a new personality which is mainly defined by inconsistency. You’d think he’d be a prime contributor in the small-ball type of games, but not so much. The only reason he played a few minutes in the second half was because Valanciunas fouled out.

Linas Kleiza, SF 12 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -7

Would’ve been a valuable contributor if he could hit his threes. Missed all three in thirteen minutes, which resulted in a deserved benching.

Jose Calderon, PG 24 MIN | 2-8 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 7 PTS | +4

Terrible perimeter defense all night, didn`t even try to make a stand. He had two turnovers, both awful and one of them leading to a DeRozan clear-path foul. What`s not reflected in the box score is the situations he put his teammates in late in the shot clock. The worst was passing it to JV in the corner with the shot-clock at 2.

Terrence Ross, SG 15 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 11 PTS | -7

Good stuff, here. Great in transition, hit a huge three early in the fourth and threw a dunk down on Biyombo in transition. Looked much smoother, and the fast pace of the game suited him a lot more than digging in half-court sets.

  • TheR3dMenace

    Could we have gotten fucked harder by the refs tonight?  Someone needs to take a fine over this

    • FAQ

      Refs were fearful of MJ in his house… they just couldn’t call an obvious foul committed against Bargs so they just ignored it.

      As I’ve noted elsewhere, the reffing has changed dramatically in the NBA with the refs ignoring a lot of contact… perhaps to speed up the game duration on tv broadcasting.

      It’s annoying to watch players like Demar depending on fouls and making faces when they don’t come.  I wish somebody would tell the players to grow up and play like men.

      Otherwise it was just another deevelopmental game and winning or losing is irrelevant .. except for the tribal honking fans who need wins to complete their fantasies.

  • Brandon

    How long is Rogers/Bell going to tolerate this crap.

    • Dan

       I’ve been saying for a while if the Raps were owned by one guy like a Mark Cuban Bryan would have been fired a couple of years ago. Mlse doesn’t care about the record. They just care about the MOney. Bryan sucks as a gm but is a good business man and i’m sure they all by into whatever crap it is he is currently selling the fan base.

      • j bean

        They do care about the money but they also care about winning. Winning produces higher ratings which means more revenue for their tv and radio stations. An example is the Blue Jays payroll that Rogers just boosted to around $120,000,000. for the year. They never would have increased payroll by 50 mill if they didn’t care about winning.

        • Nilanka15

          Valid point, but the Rogers Centre has been empty for years.  We can’t say the same about the ACC.

          • Rob

            It’s also much easier to pack a basketball arena (18,000 capacity) than it is a baseball stadium (50,000 capacity). And Rogers Centre attendance numbers for Jays games have actually seen a steady climb over the years.

  • Destro

    Welcome to Toronto Shabazz…

    • Jake

      Your boy Demar did fuck all tonight and missed that free throw that would’ve kept it tied. 

      • Destro

        He didnt miss the game winner tho…

        • CJT

          Yes, he did at least one.

          • what the

            in the heat of battle he did, but your girl was out at the three point line cause she didn’t want to get her nails broken, p the battle was going on under the net, you think we could use a 7fter down there ? 

          • Destro

            He didnt take the last shot so NOPE.

        • Dan

          Andrea was clearly fouled on the last shot. The loss is on all of them. Up three and Lowry tries to hit a dagger shot early in the shot clock. Andrea with no rebounds. Demar getting owned first half and five turnovers. Jose being Jose. Over dribbling until someone gets them self open and he can pass it off to them. He did set up JOnas with that nice corner three with a whole two seconds on the shot clock. Once Jose is gone this team will start win.

          • Destro

            We could point to half a dozen non calls that coulda made the difference…

      • Destro

        and ps since you didnt watch the game they didnt lose because of a missed FT….re watch the final 30 seconds cornball…

        • FAQ

          What did you think about Lowery’s 27′ jump shot at 1:10 of the 4th quarter..??

          • 2damkule

            single worst shot of the season…so far.

            • Nilanka15

              Missing iron completely made it seem even worse…

              • j bean

                How did you like the shot by Kleiza when he missed by so much he turned red?

                • Nilanka15

                  lol, everything Kleiza does makes me laugh hysterically, from the turnovers, the little hop he takes when he receives passes, and the unblinking psychotic grins while staring into space.  Love it!

                • Lorenzo

                   The constant adjusting of his belt…

          • what the

            all day all night 24 -7  anytime he feels like it, what? faq you

          • Destro

            A single shot doesnt define his game….only an idiot would make that assertion…

  • Alb Perjet

    Arsenalist! You have to mention the no calls…

  • mobchester

    refs fuck us up big time i hope david stern is watching

    • David Stern

      I am..you guys still suck. Figure out your rotations and fire your GM and we’ll talk

      • Lorenzo

         fuck you

      • mobchester

        die slow you fool

      • ghost

        Hilarious! Why so sensitive Lorenzo and mobchester…that time of the month. LOL.

        • Lorenzo

           Was pointed towards stern himself

      • Nilanka15

        Bahahaaaa! 

    • what thePimbletts

      pay back is a

  • The Grey Nathan

    agreed. I was shocked they got the flagrant call right.

  • j bean

    So blatant, with the ref standing right there. There should be some recourse for a game deciding play. The replay showed the foul clearly so why not get it right. Andrea could have had a game winner.

    • FAQ

      That ref was in MJ’s pocket … believe it.

      • unknown guest

        The ref was in Sterns pocket. Believe THAT

  • j bean

    The good news was the play of JV. Awesome! T Ross looked good too. 

  • Truthkiller

    Holy shit man andrea bargnani 2 rebounds really?

    • mountio

      that was definitely the story of the night. thanks for pointing out

      • Destro

        Its worth nothing tho….Were outrebounded by a small ass team…Lets not pretend it dont matter…

    • WHAT THE

      not only that but no points form our s/f  Dmac and LK

  • Tee

    its ok boys..its a long season.

    • EmarErozan

      Correction: it’s gonna be a long, long, long season.

      • Mo

        Tip: Invest in League Pass. It’s been a lifesaver in the BC era.  

        PS: It will make you a more objective fan by stepping out of this pro-Raptors bubble. 

        PPS: You will realize a lot of our players are terribly overrated by the media/broadcasters/BC and possibly depress you even further. 

        • FAQ

          I mute the TV when watching Ratpor games… the announcing is atrocious and distracting too.

          • ghost

            Leo Rautins makes me yell at the damn TV, he’s so annoying.

        • ghost

          Agree on every point. Praying that Bargnani reverts to his 13 game performance so we can trade him for a 1st rounder. This team has a long, long, long way to go before it can contend for anything.

        • Minks77

          I have LP and it doesn’t make a difference, refs were terrible in this game throughout and especially in the crunch. Raps have to do a better job of not letting the zebras be able to be the difference but still, there were at least 3 fouls on shots vs CHA in the last 30+ seconds and the non call when the rook went out of bounds 

  • Hound

    Ok, enough is enough on Bargs. He guards Mullins most of 3 quarters and mullins is 4-14 for ten points and then he guards gilchrist in the 4th who makes 2 free throws when fouled by Davis (BArgs on the bench) and 2 more free throws when fouled by Jonas. And this is putrid defence? Arse, you usually come with better stuff.

    Granted, AB has been the shits pretty well every game, but when he does have a decent game, don’t shit on him. Call a spade a spade.

    I have to say though, that I am now convinced that AB is on the trade block, as all announcers are critizing (rightly so most times) him this year, but have never done that in the past. It is clearly to prepare the masses for his exit.

    • RaptorFan

      “I have to say though, that I am now convinced that AB is on the trade block, as all announcers are critizing (rightly so most times) him this year, but have never done that in the past. It is clearly to prepare the masses for his exit.”

      I noticed this as well! I hope a big trade can go down….I want our first round pick back!….looks like we may be in the lottery again smh….. Good thing is we only played 12 games so far – there’s still time!

      • FAQ

        Bargs will be the happiest person if he is traded away from this debacle… Jose too.

        • unknown guest

          I agree with you

    • Minks77

      Bargs was terrible on the box outs and especially bad when matched up with the double B. He had it going offensively and was clearly fouled at the end but his D and glass work was pretty suspect

    • Nilanka15

      I noticed the change in announcers’ attitudes too, but it does nothing good for Bargnani’s trade value when his deficiencies are verbally highlighted on national TV.

      IMO, this isn’t an indication that Bargnani’s on the trade block, but instead are just the side effects of witnessing the same player year after year fail to live up to his potential.  Everyone has their limits….even MLSE suits.

      If Bargnani is indeed on the trading block, I would hope that Colangelo puts greater emphasis on opposing GMs’ impressions of Bargnani, over the local fan base.

      • Hound

        Good point. It is just amazing how different there verbage is this year. It is like someone said ” it is now okay to criticize AB”.

      • WHAT THE

        they should hire Cesco and pooka cause no one tells it better the way they do.

  • guest

    Is this where Raptor fans come to sulk after a loss…LOL.

    • FAQ

      Only tribal honkers….

      • Gman

        Such as yourself…

  • Hound

    And then you say “I don’t know why Ed Davis was taken out, he could have been the answer to our rebounding issues”. We were out rebounded 37-36. Not really an ISSUE.

    You did touch on a reality. If Jonas plays well, Bargs is the perfect 4 to play with him, as he spreads the floor. You do not want a down low 4, or pick and roll to the basket 4(Amir) to clog things up. That is exactly why Ryan Anderson was so good in Orlando with Dwight. Dwight stays on the blocks, and Anderson stays on the perimeter. This allows for one of the keys to successful offensive basketball, proper spacing.

    I am used to the cancers on this site spewing hatred for players, with limited knowledge of the game, and never any real solution (feasible trades etc.) for our issues. But I don’t expect it from the writers of this site.

    • p00ka

      “I don’t expect it from the writers of this site.”

      Feeding the animals?

    • arsenalist

      We SHOULD have had an advantage considering our strategy was to go big.

    • Mo

      This is a new NBA, 4s nowadays have the ability to spread the floor and even shoot the three (Millsap,JSmith, Love, Aldridge, ect). Raptors don’t need to hang on to a guy who is a 7 foot version of Nick Young simply because he makes JV’s job easier. 

      • Destro

        HE makes Valanciunas job harder NOT easier…

      • Hound

        Bargs certainly isn’t the only one who can spread the floor, but the point is that on this team he is a better fit than ED or Amir to play with JV. Go ahead and replace him with another 4 that will spread the floor, I don’t care. But he is the best we have right now.

  • Hound

    Happy to see JV play important minutes in the 4th. At least Casey didn’t help us lose tonight. Hopefully the kid gloves come off and he plays the minutes he deserves, which more than likely will have him on the floor in the 4th quarter.

    This directive of positive situations is obviously coming down from BC, as it is the same strategy that was used with Demar in his rookie year. He would start every game, but never finish.

    BC should just coach and commentate. Look at the money mlse would save.

  • Jamshid

    Happy to see both JV and Ross play well. I hope more of  McGuire’s minute go to Ross and DD. Our team’s starting line up should be:

    Lowry DD Ross AB and JV
    With the first big off the bench Ed Davis getting most of the minute.

    I have been talking about Amir Johnson’s inconsistency for 2 years now. He has not done anything to fix it and for 6 million, that is simply not acceptable.

    If he wants to be inconsistent, hustle and energy guy off the bench who shows up every now and then, he should have got paid around 3-4 million … So over paid but who is not in Toronto Thanks to BC.

    Lets hope to better games and more minutes for Ed, JV and Ross in near future.

    • Nilanka15

      I still think that Amir brings more positives to this team than Davis does, but regardless of which player we like better, a decision needs to be made on one of them.  Each playing just 12 minutes last night does nothing for me.  I’d rather pick one, and have him play 24 minutes.

  • Don Carlos

    Let’s assume that Bargs’ shot was actually cleanly blocked at the end of the game, which it wasn’t. Either that, or we can assume that he actually shot three feet short because he’s that bad. Not likely. Anyway, during the scramble, check out Taylor. He stumbles out of bounds with the ball before time runs out, then chucks it to mid-court. Should still be Raps ball with about a second on the clock.

    • arsenalist

      Yup – https://twitter.com/raptorsrepublic/status/271476146397388800

    • Nilanka15

      Wow!!!  Great observation!

      The NBA needs an avenue to appeal, especially when there’s clear evidence of a blown call that decided a game.

      I realize there’s no way to “re-do” the final possession, but still, this is infuriating (especially with Ed Malloy in perfect position to make the out-of-bounds call).

      • unknown guest

        According to D. smiths blog (yes, I know how a lot of people hate on Doug), the Raps have been sending video in to the league offfice etc.

        • Nilanka15

          Yeah, I heard that too.  The most the league can do is say, “we’ll keep an eye on things going forward”, if they even acknowledge the complaint at all.

          But specifically regarding last night, the Raps were screwed during the final 24 seconds, and there’s strong video evidence to support this claim, but the way the system is currently set, there’s no way of recuperating the loss.

          • unknown guest

            Too bad we couldn’t use video replay–last night would have been a perfect for it. I’m not saying it should be done all the time, but something like the last 2 mins with the game on the line would be good.

        • WHAT THE

          and this is the pay back cry babies

  • OvertheWall

    I didn’t even have to watch the game to know that Andrea sucked big time.  Peace.

    • FAQ

      Now go back to your masturbation schedule to catch up on your jollies…..

  • Fresh_Prints

    I love ball but cannot stand the NBA. The inconsistency of the officiating kills me.

  • Minks77

    This should of been a 5 point win, Bobcats played with impunity, refs didn’t call shit. Didn’t realize two handed hacks across the offensive players arms were a legal defence…smh

    • unknown guest

      Agreed. Bobcats are my new team to hate.

  • Uracan

    nice to see that against the sixers Bargs made 22 points with 21 shots and he was horribly inefficent and that was the reason for a nice D- vote

    Derozan made 14 points with 13 shots, 5 TO and….wow a B- vote

    nice coherence

    • unknown guest

      Did you watch the game?!? 

      It’s one thing to shoot and miss terrible shots (long twos, contested threes) vs going up strong, getting hacked, and having the miss count as a FGA.

      • Uracan

        Derozan made 5 TO and he had 4 blocks against = 9 possessions lost just by him, just for these numbers he should have a D, if you add that he couldn’t defend against a rookie well i really don’t know why he deserves a B- as vote

        • Nilanka15

          I’m not a DeRozan apologist, but at least 4 of his 13 field goal attempts should’ve resulted in free throws.  Assuming he makes 6 of those 8 free throws, his stat line look more like 20 points on 9 attempts.

          I could say the same about the turnovers.  He was hacked on at least 3 of them (most in the 4th quarter).

          DeRozan played aggressive enough to deserve a good statline.  The refs took that away from him (and I normally HATE blaming the refs, but shit’s just getting ridiculous now).

          • unknown guest

            Thanks Nilanka.

        • unknown guest

          DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?!?! Yes, I can SEE the numbers. TO’s BA’s … but did you see how they came about?!?!

  • NikolaTesla1

    No comment on the offensive scheme run in the last 6min?

    How does a point guard not see the mismatch between Bargs and MKG? No one post up run, Casey? Instead we force feed DD and Lowery decided’s he can do it all himself. If you’re going to play big against a smaller lineup than you have to punish them down low, often.

    Also think DD let his frustrations effect the flow of the team during the game.

    • Nilanka15

      Bargnani has never been known to exploit those shorter mismatches.  Instead, the scouting report shows that putting a smaller/athletic player on Bargnani is the perfect way to neutralize a player.

      • NikolaTesla1

        That is such a lame excuse. It is the job of the PG and coach to see what mismatches are out there and call plays to exploit it. This did not happen last night.

        • Nilanka15

          It’s not an excuse.  The book is out on Bargnani:  Stick a small/athletic forward on him, and Bargnani’s game is neutralized.

          I’m not saying Casey intentionally ignored the “mistmatch”.  I’m saying, even if Casey identified it, who’s to say Bargnani would’ve been successful against it? 

          • Hound

            Actually, they did identify the mismatch with the last play of the game, knowing AB would be able to shoot over the defender, who clearly couldn’t block the shot due to his lack of size. I don’t agree with the blanket statement that a small 4 neutralizes Bargs every time. Every defender is different.

            • Nilanka15

              There’s obviously no such thing as “every time” in basketball.  General trends is all sports has to offer.  And in general, Bargnani struggles vs. smaller/athletic defenders.

              • Hound

                fair enough. I am starting to get concerned about Casey and his coaching. Not getting anything more out of AB without consequences. Costing us games by stapling JV’s ass to the bench in the 4th. I am starting to think he is a puppet for BC, like Jay was. I hope I am wrong.

                My prediction is when AB is traded, he will play better because he will be forced to. Any decent coach would not put up with that effort. I also think that they play AB far too much. And that’s why he picks his spots. Play him a maximum of 7- 8 minutes per shift and demand a work ethic. Pretty simple

                • Nilanka15

                  Agreed.

    • Destro

      If hes not going to to post up a smaller player its not a mismatch if you just jack up shots over him from outside and thats what bargnani tends to do….I mean foreal did you see in the Sixers game Jason Richardson bullying him in the post….that shoulsd tell you why it poses no mismatch for the raptors…

      • NikolaTesla1

        And you actually think that is his call? that only he decided’s when to post up and when not to?

        Just really wonder if some on here have played organized bball.

  • Dan

    Derozan was brutal in the first half. Missed the free throw to tie the game and Raps lose by 1. Plus he had 5 turnovers. How is that a B-. That was a rookie that owned him too. If only Raps defensive specialist Mcguire could play Defense like that. 

    • Destro

      He shoulda went to the line half a dozen times…

  • Dan

    I would love to see a team say fu to the league and just throw a game. Walk it up and just dribble out the clock each time and play no D on the other end. The fact the refs can suck and if you complain you get fined is horrible. Take the refs out of the game let the other team win 180 to 0. Refs should be held accountable. Refs should have stats just like the players. They may do a better job if everyone saw how many blown calls they make. Best refs get ref the all star game and playoffs.

  • NyAlesund

     It was Bargnani’s fault, again. Lowry played like an idiot, 0 point in the four quarter (he is the guy………), all the guys score efficently in the last 12 minutes and Walker, the shortest player on the floor, showed us who is the really big factor alongside Session.

    But, like I said, this lost was AB’s fault. His putrid defence, he is on the trade……..

    Instead to talk about him, why do we not consider that Lowry is not the go-to-guy but the good player? (1-6 with him, beautiful record)

    For me, we need to trade Caldeon for a real point guard and move Kyle on the second unit. In this case we would have two point guards and not one that has defensive problem and the other unable to do the right thing in cruch situation.

    Off course, if we want to be happy we “must” trade Bargnani and Calderon.

    • Nilanka15

      Decision-making is teachable.  Give it some time to materialize.

      I can’t imagine we have the assets to trade for a PG who’s an “upgrade” over Lowry.

      • p00ka

        More than the 7th year to materialize? hmmm, wonder if you give that slack to others.

        • Nilanka15

          I meant, give it time to materialize under coach Casey.  Each coach has a slightly different opinion as to what is considered a “good” decision vs. a “bad” decision.  Lowry’s 7 games probably isn’t enough to get Casey’s message clear to Lowry.  Some back-and-forth is needed combined with many in-game situations/examples.

          As for Bargnani’s 7 years you eluded to, missed defensive rotations and anemic rebounding for a PF/C is a problem under any coach.  Bargnani could play for another 70 years and he won’t “learn” to correct his weaknesses.

          • p00ka

            And poor decision making by a PG isn’t “a problem under any coach”? Are you suggesting that in 6+ years, coach Casey would be the first coach to try and teach him about good decision making that he’s only had 7 games to work on? Sheeesh, if you’re going to apply a double standard, at least make some attempt at making sense.

            • Nilanka15

              Sigh….I’ll try again in simpler terms to help you “make sense” of it:

              What is considered a “poor” decision is subjective.  For example, under a Run & Gun coach who gives his PG the green light, a pullup 3 pointer in transition may not necessarily be a “poor” decision.  On the other hand, a coach who prefers a slower paced, half-court style, will likely have a problem with that same shot attempt.  Capish?

              Now, I’m not sure which type of coach Casey is.  All I’m saying is that Lowry and Casey have had 7 games together.  I highly doubt that’s enough time for them to be 100% on the same page.

              As for Bargnani, being 7 feet tall and averaging 5 rebounds, while being glued to your defender when your opponent scores layups, is definitely a problem under any coach.  He doesn’t need more time with Casey to improve on these glaring deficiencies.  His deficiencies are not coach-specific.

              • p00ka

                You not only truly believe this gobbly gook of yours, but are cocky and condescending about it? lol

                Yes, there are certainly a few different offensive styles that coaches like their team to run, but whatever the bloody style is, his “play maker” jacking up shots like that 3 from 5 ft beyond the line, with time on the clock, up 1, in the final minute, is hair pulling time for any coach, any style. And that’s far from the only ill advised jumper, by any coach’s standards, that we’ve seen down the stretch in the last couple of tough losses.

                And whatever “style” the coach prefers, driving into the heart of the defense, 3-4 much taller guys strong, with zero chance of an outlet pass, and nothing but to hope that some prayer of a shot might get through them into the basket, is not in any coach’s game plan. We keep seeing that too.

                Hey, don’t get me wrong. I love Lowry’s drive and determination, and can see the possibility of him having a huge impact on this team, IF he gets his decision making improved, but the slack your cutting him on getting together pretty damn basic fundamental PG skills, in his 7th NBA year coincidentally, is a blatant double standard, imo.

                Different coaches have different decision making styles to get across, lol. Find me one, at any level, that likes his PG doing that shit.

                • Minks77

                  Klow has improved year on year and does more on the both ends of the court well than Bargnani does at any end. Brags is what he is and that will never change, even his defenders have to admit that his help D and rebounding will never improve. Lowry, on the other hand, has come a long, long way in all facets of his game. I don’t think any coach will ever purge him of his sometimes questionable shot selection but his offence is bullish. To take it away would render him less effective. With the raps it’s been 7 games for Lowry, with AB it’s been 7 years, 3 coaches. That’s why Klow gets slack and Andrea doesn’t. Besides, a guy who hustles his butt off at both ends earns some slack, what does Andrea do that earns anything but contempt at this point?

                • p00ka

                  I’m not trying to toot Bargnani’s horn, nor declaring KL as some lost cause, but someone stating that good decision making is a teachable thing that KL just needs time to materialize, and that it’s somehow is a coach dependent thing, is totally a double standard being applied.

                  However, I’d be interested in learning of your source of knowledge that KL “has improved year on year” and “has come a long, long way in all facets of his game”. I haven’t followed him enough to have an opinion outside of stats, but perhaps you have. When looking at his stats, some of what I see is:

                  – his FG% is a roller coaster ride, of alternating up/down years, rather than a year to year improvement, with the norm being between 39-42%, career avg = 42%. Note that career FG%, 3P%, and FT% are all lower than the “inefficient” AB.
                  – in looking at all other reg. stats, one needs to look at Per 36 numbers to compare, and in Asts, RBs, STLs, TOs, they all have stayed pretty consistent, with nothing to point at as a significant year to year improvement.
                  – the same can be said for more advanced stats such as ORtg and DRtg, which have a up/down feel to them but remain pretty steady, and pretty much in line with ABs numbers.

                  So, what do you have to back up this claim of year to year improvement in all facets of his game? I’m all ears and willing to learn.

                  “I don’t think any coach will ever purge him of his sometimes
                  questionable shot selection but his offence is bullish. To take it away
                  would render him less effective.”

                  Again, downplaying one guys SIGNIFICANT faults, FOR HIS POSITION, while constantly bashing the other. Please tell me how “effective” has the Bayless like bullish offense been? Was it effective for Memphis, who passed him over for Conley, who won’t be mistaken for an all star PG? Was it effective in Houston, where they sent him packing our way, and got 20 game wonder Lin to replace him, after never making the playoffs in three years with him as the starter? Just how has his “bullish” offense been so effective that a coach doesn’t want to take anything away from it?

              • Hound

                Why do you think Casey still puts up with Bargs defense after watching it for 40+ games?

                • Nilanka15

                  Because he has no choice.

      • NyAlesund

         Well, Calderon is in the last year of contract. 10 mln. This is good expecially for teams that have need to reduce the salaries and have more margin to operate. I don’t know if is possible to find someone better than Lowry but we have to try. Calderon despite all is a good asset until february.

    • WHAT THE

      “If we want to be happy we must trade AB13 and Dribbles” fn right.

  • Slap Dog Hoops

    You’ve got to give props to that Bobcats squad–two weeks into the season and they have already reached their win total from last season.  

    • p00ka

      They certainly have earned some props, but they haven’t faced even 1 set of 4 games in 5 nights, which the Raps have already had 2 sets of 4 games in 5 nights,,, in only 12 fn games. Back to backs are tough, but that kind of schedule belongs in that idiotic compressed schedule of last year.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    I guess that I dropped too much truth in my posts so someone had to remove them.lmfao