Edit: I forgot to again give props to our newest writer, William Lou, who took on some of the grunt work and helped collect some of the stats for this article.
After a bit of a break, here is the long overdue rankings for the centre/center position. You can read the point guard, shooting guard, small forward and power forward rankings.
Now to be honest, I’m a little flummoxed about this ranking. No, it’s not because I have difficulty with the rankings, but with how to actually spell centre/center. See, I’ve always been very insistent on using the Canadian spelling and pronunciation of words, going so far as banning the alphabet song on one of my kid’s CDs, when they were younger, because the singer sang “zee” instead of “zed”.
But when it came to this particular position, I’ve always used the American spelling as if it were somehow a word unto itself. I’m sure it was because that was always how I read it in all the basketball books and on TV. So what do YOU think about the centre/center issue?
As for the actual rankings, this was one of the easier positions to not only narrow down, but rank. There were a few that I left out, most notably Samuel Dalembert, who looks to be the starting center/centre for the Mavericks this year, and Andrew Bynum, who I really have no clue whether to expect him to even play this year. If healthy, he’s a top 5 centre/center, but he also could end up being another cautionary tale about investing too heavily in often injured big men without a strong work ethic.
As with the previous rankings, I looked at a number of advanced statistics for each player and tried to get a good snapshot of where each player stood in comparison to one another.
Player | Rt Rank | PER | Rank | WS | Rank | WS48 | Rank | WP48 | Rank | WP | Rank |
Tyson Chandler | 3.8 | 19.10 | 12 | 9.3 | 2 | 0.207 | 1 | 0.294 | 3 | 13.3 | 1 |
Marc Gasol | 5 | 19.58 | 10 | 11.5 | 1 | 0.197 | 2 | 0.176 | 9 | 10.2 | 3 |
Andre Drummond | 7.6 | 21.51 | 3 | 4.5 | 19 | 0.172 | 6 | 0.313 | 1 | 8.1 | 9 |
Tiago Splitter | 8.2 | 18.61 | 15 | 8.2 | 5 | 0.197 | 2 | 0.187 | 8 | 7.8 | 11 |
Joakim Noah | 8.6 | 18.19 | 16 | 7.3 | 8 | 0.145 | 13 | 0.225 | 4 | 11.4 | 2 |
Brook Lopez | 8.8 | 24.77 | 1 | 9.0 | 3 | 0.191 | 4 | 0.117 | 19 | 5.5 | 17 |
Al Horford | 9 | 19.96 | 8 | 8.8 | 4 | 0.153 | 10 | 0.143 | 16 | 8.2 | 7 |
Dwight Howard | 9.2 | 19.79 | 9 | 7.6 | 7 | 0.134 | 15 | 0.164 | 11 | 9.3 | 4 |
Larry Sanders | 9.8 | 18.92 | 14 | 6.0 | 13 | 0.149 | 11 | 0.208 | 5 | 8.4 | 6 |
Anderson Varejao | 10 | 21.63 | 2 | 3.3 | 26 | 0.173 | 5 | 0.312 | 2 | 5.9 | 15 |
Nikola Pekovic | 10.4 | 20.24 | 6 | 6.7 | 9 | 0.163 | 8 | 0.149 | 15 | 6.1 | 14 |
Kosta Koufos | 11.4 | 17.29 | 20 | 6.5 | 10 | 0.171 | 7 | 0.188 | 7 | 7.1 | 13 |
DeAndre Jordan | 11.4 | 17.24 | 21 | 6.2 | 11 | 0.148 | 12 | 0.197 | 6 | 8.2 | 7 |
JaVale McGee | 12.6 | 20.75 | 5 | 4.9 | 18 | 0.163 | 8 | 0.158 | 12 | 4.7 | 20 |
Al Jefferson | 14.2 | 20.90 | 4 | 7.7 | 6 | 0.143 | 14 | 0.082 | 26 | 4.4 | 21 |
Greg Monroe | 15.2 | 19.44 | 11 | 5.9 | 14 | 0.105 | 23 | 0.140 | 17 | 7.8 | 11 |
Nikola Vucevic | 15.2 | 17.74 | 17 | 5.7 | 15 | 0.106 | 21 | 0.152 | 14 | 8.1 | 9 |
Omer Asik | 16 | 14.84 | 28 | 5.5 | 17 | 0.108 | 20 | 0.169 | 10 | 8.7 | 5 |
Robin Lopez | 17.2 | 18.98 | 13 | 5.6 | 16 | 0.126 | 18 | 0.113 | 21 | 5.0 | 18 |
Roy Hibbert | 17.8 | 17.50 | 19 | 6.1 | 12 | 0.129 | 16 | 0.103 | 23 | 4.9 | 19 |
Emeka Okafor | 20.4 | 15.70 | 25 | 4.5 | 19 | 0.104 | 24 | 0.134 | 18 | 5.7 | 16 |
DeMarcus Cousins | 21.6 | 20.20 | 7 | 4.4 | 22 | 0.092 | 27 | 0.056 | 27 | 2.7 | 25 |
Nene | 21.8 | 16.92 | 22 | 4.0 | 23 | 0.116 | 19 | 0.107 | 22 | 3.7 | 23 |
Jonas Valanciunas | 22.2 | 15.49 | 26 | 3.9 | 24 | 0.127 | 17 | 0.116 | 20 | 3.6 | 24 |
Andrew Bogut | 23.6 | 13.87 | 29 | 1.7 | 29 | 0.106 | 21 | 0.153 | 13 | 2.5 | 26 |
Enes Kanter | 24.8 | 17.70 | 18 | 2.3 | 28 | 0.101 | 25 | 0.100 | 25 | 2.2 | 28 |
Spencer Hawes | 24.8 | 15.95 | 24 | 4.5 | 19 | 0.096 | 26 | 0.049 | 28 | 2.3 | 27 |
Marcin Gortat | 25.2 | 15.37 | 27 | 3.4 | 25 | 0.086 | 28 | 0.102 | 24 | 4.0 | 22 |
Chris Kaman | 28.6 | 16.48 | 23 | 1.6 | 30 | 0.058 | 30 | -0.018 | 30 | -0.5 | 30 |
Kendrick Perkins | 28.8 | 8.41 | 30 | 2.5 | 27 | 0.062 | 29 | 0.012 | 29 | 0.8 | 29 |
A few things jump out right away. Immediately, this appears to add more fuel to the fire that Bryan Colangelo made a huge blunder not selecting Andre Drummond. Bear in mind that Drummond played the fourth fewest minutes of any centre/center on the list, barely ahead of just Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman and JaVale McGee, so it will be interesting to see whether he can keep up that production with more minutes.
On the down side, the Raptor’s own Jonas Valanciunas doesn’t fare all that well which is a little surprising since he had such a promising rookie season. The thing to remember is that these ratings don’t take into consideration potential, of which Valanciunas has plenty of. Still, it will hopefully give a little perspective to those who might expect to much from the young Lithuanian this season.
Raptor fans can take consolation that they aren’t Oklahoma Thunder fans (or maybe not), since Perkins looks horrible, yet still has two more years on his rather large contract.
Player | TS% | Rank | OR% | Rank | DRR% | Rank | TRB% | Rank | Stl Rate | Rank | Blk Rate | Rank |
Tyson Chandler | 67.4 | 1 | 14.1 | 5 | 24.3 | 10 | 17.0 | 13 | 1 | 24 | 3 | 17 |
Jonas Valanciunas | 61.3 | 2 | 9.6 | 21 | 20.5 | 21 | 15.0 | 20 | 0.6 | 29 | 4.2 | 12 |
Tiago Splitter | 60.7 | 3 | 8.8 | 22 | 20.3 | 22 | 14.9 | 24 | 1.6 | 7 | 2.3 | 23 |
DeAndre Jordan | 60.6 | 4 | 12.7 | 9 | 22.4 | 16 | 17.7 | 9 | 1.3 | 14 | 4.7 | 9 |
JaVale McGee | 58.9 | 5 | 12.6 | 10 | 17.1 | 28 | 14.9 | 24 | 1.1 | 18 | 8.5 | 1 |
Enes Kanter | 58.9 | 5 | 14.5 | 4 | 18.6 | 26 | 16.5 | 16 | 1.4 | 12 | 2.3 | 23 |
Kosta Koufos | 58.6 | 7 | 13.3 | 6 | 21.2 | 19 | 17.4 | 10 | 1.2 | 16 | 4.4 | 10 |
Andre Drummond | 58.0 | 8 | 15.4 | 2 | 27.2 | 5 | 21.1 | 3 | 2.5 | 1 | 6.1 | 4 |
Dwight Howard | 57.4 | 9 | 10.4 | 18 | 27.4 | 4 | 19.2 | 5 | 1.6 | 7 | 4.9 | 8 |
Robin Lopez | 57.3 | 10 | 12.4 | 11 | 13.4 | 30 | 12.9 | 30 | 0.8 | 27 | 5 | 7 |
Nikola Pekovic | 57.0 | 11 | 13.0 | 7 | 19.0 | 24 | 16.1 | 18 | 1.1 | 18 | 2 | 26 |
Brook Lopez | 56.7 | 12 | 10.8 | 16 | 16.1 | 29 | 13.4 | 28 | 0.8 | 27 | 5.2 | 6 |
Al Horford | 56.2 | 13 | 8.2 | 24 | 23.0 | 14 | 15.0 | 20 | 1.5 | 11 | 2.2 | 25 |
Marc Gasol | 55.9 | 14 | 7.6 | 26 | 18.9 | 25 | 13.2 | 29 | 1.6 | 7 | 4.1 | 13 |
Omer Asik | 55.8 | 15 | 12.8 | 8 | 31.0 | 1 | 22.0 | 2 | 0.9 | 25 | 2.7 | 20 |
Marcin Gortat | 54.3 | 16 | 7.6 | 26 | 24.0 | 12 | 15.6 | 19 | 1.1 | 18 | 3.9 | 14 |
Nene | 53.6 | 17 | 6.7 | 30 | 20.6 | 20 | 13.7 | 26 | 1.7 | 5 | 1.8 | 28 |
Joakim Noah | 53.4 | 18 | 12.2 | 12 | 22.6 | 15 | 17.4 | 10 | 1.7 | 5 | 4.4 | 10 |
Nikola Vucevic | 53.3 | 19 | 12.0 | 13 | 28.4 | 3 | 20.2 | 4 | 1.2 | 16 | 2.4 | 22 |
Chris Kaman | 53.1 | 20 | 8.1 | 25 | 22.1 | 17 | 15.0 | 20 | 1.1 | 18 | 3 | 17 |
Anderson Varejao | 52.9 | 21 | 16.9 | 1 | 30.1 | 2 | 23.2 | 1 | 2.1 | 3 | 1.3 | 30 |
Greg Monroe | 52.8 | 22 | 9.9 | 19 | 23.6 | 13 | 16.6 | 15 | 2.1 | 3 | 1.6 | 29 |
Larry Sanders | 52.6 | 23 | 12.0 | 13 | 25.8 | 9 | 18.6 | 8 | 1.4 | 12 | 7.6 | 2 |
DeMarcus Cousins | 52.4 | 24 | 10.9 | 15 | 27.0 | 6 | 18.8 | 6 | 2.4 | 2 | 1.9 | 27 |
Al Jefferson | 52.1 | 25 | 7.0 | 28 | 25.9 | 8 | 16.4 | 17 | 1.6 | 7 | 2.7 | 20 |
Spencer Hawes | 51.4 | 26 | 8.5 | 23 | 21.7 | 18 | 15.0 | 20 | 0.6 | 29 | 3.9 | 14 |
Emeka Okafor | 49.2 | 27 | 10.7 | 17 | 26.8 | 7 | 18.7 | 7 | 1.1 | 18 | 3 | 17 |
Roy Hibbert | 49.0 | 28 | 14.8 | 3 | 17.4 | 27 | 17.0 | 13 | 0.9 | 25 | 6.7 | 3 |
Kendrick Perkins | 48.1 | 29 | 7.0 | 28 | 19.5 | 23 | 13.7 | 26 | 1.1 | 18 | 3.2 | 16 |
Andrew Bogut | 46.0 | 30 | 9.8 | 20 | 24.1 | 11 | 17.3 | 12 | 1.3 | 14 | 5.5 | 5 |
In terms of True Shooting Percentage, most of the players that finished in the top 10 are defensive players who rarely took a shot more than two feet away from the rim and are not known for the offense. Also in the top 10, though, are Valanciunas and Enes, two young players with plenty of offensive skills. In fact, both players were below the median in shots coming from assists, which tells you they create their own shots more than most of their contemporaries.
This highlights the promise both these players have on the offensive end.
On the other end of the scale are Greg Monroe and DeMarcus Cousins, who both came out of the 2010 draft and who are both primarily offensive players with advanced post moves and finished near the bottom in True Shooting Percentage, highlighting that they still have a long way to go in that area. Both also not surprisingly finished near the bottom in block percentage, but in the top five in steal percentage, thanks to their quick hands. That doesn’t necessarily mean either one is a good defender, though.
Valanciunas still needs to show a lot of improvement on the boards, as he is near the bottom in this area, despite the physical skills and attitude.
Player | DWS | Rank | DRating | Rank | PPP | Rank | Iso | Rank | Post up | Rank | P&R | Rank | Spot up | Rank |
Marc Gasol | 5.4 | 1 | 98 | 2 | 0.76 | 5 | 0.62 | 3 | 0.66 | 6 | 0.77 | 8 | 0.94 | 17 |
Roy Hibbert | 4.9 | 2 | 97 | 1 | 0.86 | 19 | 0.8 | 22 | 0.79 | 18 | 0.92 | 21 | 0.92 | 15 |
Dwight Howard | 4.8 | 3 | 100 | 7 | 0.74 | 2 | 0.84 | 24 | 0.58 | 1 | 0.76 | 7 | 0.8 | 5 |
Joakim Noah | 4.7 | 4 | 99 | 3 | 0.81 | 6 | 0.78 | 19 | 0.73 | 9 | 0.91 | 19 | 0.82 | 7 |
Al Horford | 4.1 | 5 | 102 | 12 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.73 | 12 | 0.79 | 18 | 0.78 | 10 | 1.03 | 25 |
Larry Sanders | 3.7 | 6 | 99 | 3 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.62 | 3 | 0.7 | 7 | 0.81 | 15 | 1.1 | 28 |
Emeka Okafor | 3.7 | 6 | 99 | 3 | 0.81 | 6 | 0.66 | 6 | 0.76 | 14 | 0.88 | 17 | 0.87 | 9 |
Tiago Splitter | 3.5 | 8 | 100 | 7 | 0.81 | 6 | 0.79 | 21 | 0.64 | 3 | 1 | 28 | 0.94 | 17 |
Omer Asik | 3.5 | 8 | 103 | 15 | 0.87 | 23 | 0.74 | 14 | 0.74 | 11 | 0.97 | 26 | 0.9 | 11 |
Al Jefferson | 3.3 | 10 | 104 | 17 | 0.9 | 29 | 0.98 | 27 | 0.79 | 18 | 0.94 | 23 | 1.01 | 24 |
DeAndre Jordan | 3.2 | 11 | 101 | 10 | 0.86 | 19 | 0.8 | 22 | 0.85 | 25 | 0.72 | 6 | 0.91 | 13 |
Greg Monroe | 3.2 | 11 | 105 | 21 | 0.87 | 23 | 0.74 | 14 | 0.93 | 30 | 0.77 | 8 | 0.88 | 10 |
Kendrick Perkins | 3.0 | 13 | 102 | 12 | 0.75 | 4 | 0.64 | 5 | 0.83 | 21 | 0.78 | 10 | 0.78 | 4 |
Nikola Vucevic | 2.9 | 14 | 105 | 21 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.75 | 17 | 0.89 | 28 | 0.66 | 5 | 0.91 | 13 |
Spencer Hawes | 2.8 | 15 | 104 | 17 | 0.89 | 28 | 0.73 | 12 | 0.9 | 29 | 0.81 | 15 | 0.95 | 19 |
Nene | 2.7 | 16 | 101 | 10 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.74 | 14 | 0.63 | 2 | 0.9 | 18 | 0.98 | 21 |
Tyson Chandler | 2.6 | 17 | 104 | 17 | 0.81 | 6 | 0.78 | 19 | 0.64 | 3 | 1.11 | 30 | 0.9 | 11 |
Brook Lopez | 2.6 | 17 | 105 | 21 | 0.86 | 19 | 0.7 | 8 | 0.88 | 27 | 0.98 | 27 | 0.86 | 8 |
Kosta Koufos | 2.5 | 19 | 103 | 15 | 0.87 | 23 | 1.06 | 28 | 0.78 | 16 | 0.61 | 3 | 1.05 | 26 |
Andre Drummond | 2.3 | 20 | 99 | 3 | 0.82 | 11 | 0.86 | 25 | 0.77 | 15 | 0.78 | 10 | 0.92 | 15 |
DeMarcus Cousins | 2.3 | 20 | 106 | 26 | 0.86 | 19 | 0.86 | 25 | 0.74 | 11 | 0.93 | 22 | 1 | 22 |
JaVale McGee | 2.2 | 22 | 102 | 12 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.71 | 10 | 0.75 | 13 | 0.8 | 14 | 1 | 22 |
Nikola Pekovic | 2.1 | 23 | 106 | 26 | 0.83 | 12 | 0.71 | 10 | 0.72 | 8 | 0.91 | 19 | 0.97 | 20 |
Marcin Gortat | 2.1 | 23 | 105 | 21 | 0.84 | 13 | 0.68 | 7 | 0.65 | 5 | 0.96 | 25 | 1.17 | 29 |
Chris Kaman | 1.6 | 25 | 105 | 21 | 0.87 | 23 | 1.15 | 29 | 0.78 | 16 | 1.05 | 29 | 0.71 | 2 |
Jonas Valanciunas | 1.5 | 26 | 106 | 26 | 0.9 | 29 | 1.18 | 30 | 0.84 | 24 | 0.95 | 24 | 0.81 | 6 |
Andrew Bogut | 1.4 | 27 | 100 | 7 | 0.88 | 27 | 0.58 | 1 | 0.83 | 21 | 0.79 | 13 | 1.21 | 30 |
Robin Lopez | 1.2 | 28 | 110 | 30 | 0.81 | 6 | 0.75 | 17 | 0.73 | 9 | 0.58 | 1 | 1.08 | 27 |
Anderson Varejao | 1.1 | 29 | 104 | 17 | 0.71 | 1 | 0.58 | 1 | 0.83 | 21 | 0.64 | 4 | 0.61 | 1 |
Enes Kanter | 1.0 | 30 | 107 | 29 | 0.74 | 2 | 0.7 | 8 | 0.87 | 26 | 0.58 | 1 | 0.73 | 3 |
As I’ve previously discussed, defensive advanced stats are fraught with problems. Players on good defensive teams have inflated defensive stats and the reverse is true. While Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert are undeniably good defensive players, and are rated accordingly in Defensive Win Share and Defensive Rating, Hibbert is average at best in the individual ratings. Of course, that might be due to his responsibilities he has on the Pacers Defense.
On the other hand, Anderson Varejao is considerd a very good defensive player and does well in the individual stats, but not the team stats, Defensive Win Share and Defensive Rating. This is probably due to the poor defensive players Varejao has been stuck with in Cleveland, though.
With some players, the difference between the difference ratings is interesting. Andrew Bogut has a low Defensive Win Share, but a high Defensive Rating, which is the case with Andre Drummond, as well.
Valanciunasdoesn’t seem to do well in any of these categories, save defending spot up shooters. Kanter doesn’t do well in the ratings, but in the individual stats he excels in everything but defending post ups.
Now for the average rankings for all the stats above:
Player | Rank Avg |
Dwight Howard | 6.78 |
Andre Drummond | 7.50 |
Joakim Noah | 8.94 |
Tyson Chandler | 9.61 |
Marc Gasol | 9.89 |
Anderson Varejao | 10.06 |
Larry Sanders | 10.44 |
DeAndre Jordan | 11.22 |
Tiago Splitter | 11.72 |
Kosta Koufos | 12.61 |
Al Horford | 13.06 |
Omer Asik | 13.61 |
JaVale McGee | 13.61 |
Nikola Vucevic | 13.72 |
Emeka Okafor | 13.89 |
Roy Hibbert | 14.67 |
Nikola Pekovic | 14.67 |
Greg Monroe | 15.56 |
Brook Lopez | 15.61 |
Al Jefferson | 16.50 |
Enes Kanter | 16.72 |
Robin Lopez | 16.78 |
DeMarcus Cousins | 17.11 |
Nene | 17.50 |
Andrew Bogut | 18.61 |
Marcin Gortat | 19.28 |
Kendrick Perkins | 19.33 |
Jonas Valanciunas | 19.50 |
Chris Kaman | 20.89 |
Spencer Hawes | 20.94 |
If you’re a Raptor fan, I’ve got one word for you: Ouch!
Of course, as I stated earlier, these stats don’t take into consideration potential, and let’s not pretend the above is the least bit conclusive. Valanciunas improved vastly from the beginning of the season, so his stats from the second half of the season might look very different. Let’s not pretend he still doesn’t have a lot of work to do, though, and he’s probably another year or two from really being an impact player in the league unless he makes a massive leap, which is certainly possible.
For Pistons fans who wonder why they haven’t reached an agreement about an extension with Greg Monroe, where Andre Drummond finishes here might explain a few things. Right now, he’s an advanced stat darling and probably who Joe Dumars is looking at to be the future cornerstone of the franchise.
One interesting tidbit is that Kosta Koufos, who was basically given away by the Denver Nuggets, finishes ahead of JaVale McGee, who he started ahead of all year and who George Karl mostly stapled to the bench. Denver might very well see a dropoff at the center position this year and regret handing McGee the starting position.
1 | Marc Gasol |
2 | Dwight Howard |
3 | Joakim Noah |
4 | Al Horford |
5 | Roy Hibbert |
6 | Brook Lopez |
7 | Tyson Chandler |
8 | Nikola Pekovic |
9 | Greg Monroe |
10 | Larry Sanders |
11 | DeMarcus Cousins |
12 | Al Jefferson |
13 | Anderson Varejao |
14 | Tiago Splitter |
15 | Andre Drummond |
16 | Andrew Bogut |
17 | Omer Asik |
18 | Nikola Vucevic |
19 | Enes Kanter |
20 | Jonas Valanciunas |
21 | Nene |
22 | Kosta Koufos |
23 | Marcin Gortat |
24 | Robin Lopez |
25 | Emeka Okafor |
26 | JaVale McGee |
27 | DeAndre Jordan |
28 | Spencer Hawes |
29 | Kendrick Perkins |
30 | Chris Kaman |
Right off the bat, I have to say that the centre/center position seems to be in better shape than I first thought. That’s not to say we’re in an era similar to what we had in the 90’s, when there were half a dozen Hall of Fame centers, but there look to be some decent players at the position, now. More importantly, there is a lot of youth at the position.
One that is important to note is that injuries have a big impact on these ratings. As I mentioned, Andrew Bynum might be a top ten centre/center, if healthy, but who knows when and if that will ever be. A healthy and motivated Dwight Howard should be the best centre/center in the league, but not the one we saw in Los Angeles.
A healthy Anderson Varejao would rank much higher. The same goes for Andrew Bogut, who has the ability to be the second most important player on the Warriors and be a top ten centre/center when healthy.
While Tiago Splitter finished high in all the stats, I didn’t rank him nearly as high in my final rankings. The two main reasons are that Splitter only finished as high as he did in the stats because of the system he played on and his role, but more importantly, his limitations were exposed in the playoffs when the Spurs had to continue to sit him because his inability to score hurt the Spurs. While a lot of readers took issue with ranking Danny Green as high as I did in the Shooting Guard rankings, he actually averaged MORE minutes in the playoffs than in the regular season, showing his value to the team, whereas Splitter played fewer minutes in the playoffs where his lack of offensive proved too big a weakness.
Lastly, I will admit that I ended up ranking Valanciunas lower than I had anticipated, and that was difficult. As most know, I am a big Valanciunas fan, but at this point in his career, I didn’t think it made sense rank him higher than any of the players above him. I do believe, however, that will change this season.
While a lot of Raptor fans are anxious to see a rivalry between Valanciunas and Drummond, I would add Enes Kanter to that group. Those three big men, all from very different backgrounds, show the NBA isn’t quite ready to give up on the centre/center position just yet. I think we have some very good days ahead of us.