Kyle Lowry. Smart move, even if it means we had to do a reach around to get there. Colangelo finally upgraded the point guard position by installing a defensive player as a starter, an action that followers and fans of this team have been calling for for years. This is not a move that required great thinking, anybody who has seen Jose Calderon play the last few seasons is painfully aware of his shortcomings on defense, even though he does his level best every night while giving unquestionable effort.

Calderon has been a great servant to the organization for seven years, and my hope is that he remains with the club till the end of his career. It would be great to have our first “Raptor lifer”, and there’s hardly anyone more gentlemanly than Jose Calderon. On the other hand, since Bayless has had a QO extended to him and Calderon’s contract is expiring, it would also make sense if Calderon’s on his way out, in which case it would be nice to see him get a ring. Perhaps he’s the point guard that Dallas or Miami will chase.

Liston, Blake and the Insider snippet posted a couple days back already provide the gist of Kyle Lowry, and the comment sections are flooded with opinions and takes on the player, leaving little for me to do.

To qualitatively sum up Lowry:

  1. An ever-improving offensive player who is not content with his current skill-set and looks to improve each season
  2. 26-year old who has enough experience to guide this team of youth, and fits nicely into a window where the Raptors could make a run for the playoffs
  3. Very good defensive player who wants to play that side of the ball (which Casey will obviously love)
  4. Had a bit of an issue with McHale, which eventually resulted in him demanding a trade, and that’s something Casey has to contend with, but that’s part of a coach’s job. Lowry’s been given teh proverbial “fresh start” here, so there’s a chance he comes in with his attitude reset
  5. Can more naturally play the up-tempo game than Calderon, and has more sense and patience than Bayless in terms of decision-making
  6. Is under contract for two season, meaning there’s no immediate retention issue to deal with. He’s due to make $5.75 and $6.12 million, and will likely demand a big raise after that if his form continues. Since BC loves overpaying, this is a good fit
  7. 5-year veteran out of Villanova who spent 2 years in college before coming out in 2006 (yes, he’s got a good relationship with Alvin Williams); he’s 6’0″, so on the shorter side but has a little of Carl Landry in him, where plays bigger than his height

Considering the set of point guard free-agents this year that a rebuilding team like the Raptors should have been targeting (basically, everyone but Nash and Nelson) Lowry is a good nab. There’s concern that he might not be as fluid on the pick ‘n roll as Calderon (or obviously Nash), thus slowing the progression of JoVal, is to me a very low risk. JoVal will have to earn his minutes just like everyone else, and one shouldn’t expect the Raptors to be looking at him as option 1 or 2 in the early going. You hear the term gelling a lot (often as excuses by apologist media members – remember Hedo?), but this is a situation where that actually applies. You have a guy coming fresh into North America, a new point guard, a rookie sharp shooter, and likely a departing Calderon who everyone is used to playing with. It goes without saying that training camp will be critically important next season.

Casey on Lowry:

He’s a hell of a competitor. He’s their heart and soul and spirit of their team and I love the way he plays

Lowry thinking he’s good enough to be a “foundation” guy and the beef with the Rockets:

It has nothing to do with Goran. I’m not happy with the way coaches handled things. If management wants to do something to keep Goran, I think I’ll have to be moved. I think I’m still a foundation guy. You can build around me. If I’m not here, that’s welcomed. If I’m here, I guess that’s welcome, too.

How his personality and play fits on the team is only left to speculation. It would be expected of him to play two-man games with Bargnani, and being cognizant of Ross as a shooter and DeRozan as a slasher, while at the same time using his own offensive threat as a weapon. Offensively, I’d say top priority would be to set him up comfortably with Bargnani, who is often the originator of the offense. Picking out shooters to keep the floor spaced is going to be critical, especially now that JoVal will be manning the painted area, where having less clutter of defensive players swiping the ball from you greatly helps. Maybe some video analysis is in order here.

Let’s look at the likely depth chart:

PG: Lowry, Bayless
SG: DeRozan, Ross
SF: Fields, J. Johnson, Kleiza
PF: Bargnani, A. Johnson, Davis, Acy
C: JoVal

Of course, this is without taking into account the rumblings that are already starting regarding Calderon, DeRozan, and Davis.

No matter where you slot Kleiza (PF or SF), it’s not hard to tell where the log jam is. Having Amir Johnson and Ed Davis on the roster seems redundant, the Raptors need to pick one and I’d go with Johnson. The Raptors should not entertain the idea of having either of them slot over to center, even if it’s for limited minutes. That is a bad idea. I’m not advocating bringing back Magloire, and have reservations about guys like Robin Lopez, who might be on other teams’ radar. The free-agent center crop this summer isn’t very strong, so expectations here need to remain in check. Personally, I would target someone like Zaza Pachulia, who will only add to the interior grit of this team. He’s not perhaps as mobile as a Casey center operating in the zone needs to be, but he sure puts the bang in banger. Hey, if you hate a guy when he’s playing against you, you know you want him on your team.

A little later in the day we have an update on what Jonas has been upto.

  • Milesboyer

    It seems like the whole personality of this team will change, especially if Calderon gets traded/amnestied.  I don’t know enough about Lowry but hopefully the new chemistry needed will come together and the players will fall into rolls that compliment each other.  Will Lowry come in thinking he’s the alpha dog?  Does Bargs assert himself more next year? Does DeRozan, if he’s still here?  Looking forward to seeing how it all gels.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Arsenalist, why do you keep using the term rebuild(ing)?

      BOTH BC & CASEY said in the season ending presser that the REBUILD/BUILD phase of Raptors basketball was over.

      • Rasheed Abdul Wallace

         BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!, why do you keep using the term smdh?

        Who on the short bus taught you to argue semantics, you fucking mongoloid?

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Wow…lmfao smdh

    • FAQ

      But has Lowry said he’s happy being traded to Toronto, or does he consider he’s entering the Raptor purgatory?!

      • FLUXLAND

        Based on the # of I(s) up there, this is a “let me show the L what I can do” stop off.

  • mountio

    Props to the RR crew (and posters) for pounding out artciles and opinions over the last week. This is the most fun Raps fans have during the year .. lets hope our on court play tops it this year.
    My thoughts at where we are at:
    – Ive come to grips with the Lowry signing and like it. I would have liked a little more protection on the pick (who knows what happens with injuries .. and on the off chance we are a bottom 5 team next year .. that pick will sting) .. having said that, its a deal we had to make
    – I still think rescinding the Fields offer should be on the table. I do not buy this trust with agents BS at all. Everyone will see it for what it was .. a failed attempt to get Nash .. and will get over it. Hes worth half the money we offered, at best
    – Im interested in the Iggy rumours .. not sure Im sold on it .. but agree we should explore. People need to wake up though and realize you arent gonna get him for free .. DD will need to be involved
    – I dont think we need another center. We have enough big men that can shift over and play 5 between AB, ED and AJ – the reality is half the teams in the league use small lineups where a 4 is their biggest man on the floor a large chunk of the time

    All in all, its been a whirlwind. No sport does free agency / trades like the NBA. Several teams have totally transformed themselves (Brooklyn and ATL obviously the most) .. should be a hell of a year ..

    I feel like the Raps have one more move left .. Iggy not necessarily my first choice, but I like where that deal was heading ..

    • Jleipciger

      If Iguodala were to be acquired, the rebounding prowess the Raptors would have at it’s PG and wing positions would be a massive strength of the team.

    • Nilanka15

      Thorn apparently shot down the Iggy rumours last night.  But it wouldn’t be the first time a rumour was denied only for the deal to go through shortly afterwards.  Trust no one, lol.

      I personally don’t like the idea of bringing Iggy here.  If we’re going to give up serious assets, I would hope it’s for a SF capable of creating his own shot.  Iggy is not a player you can confidently run an ISO for in late game situations.  Gay or Granger on the other hand…

      I would even prefer chasing Wilson Chandler.  He’s come at a much cheaper price compared to either Iggy, Gay or Granger.  With Gallo, Brewer, Fernandez, Harrington, and Miller, you know something has to give.

      I would assume Ujiri and Colangelo have a good working relationship.

      • Destro

        I dont like the reported deal,giving up WAY too much for Iguodala…

        I still think DD’s best basketball is too come,i do fear they give up on him prematurely and becomes a 20/5/5 guy…somewhere else.

        • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

          Iguodala Rumor has Legs. New twitters about Calderon + DD + ED for AI

          • Dan

             Sixers just signed Nick young who is similar to Demar but with a better Handle and jump shot. I’d be surprised if they went for Demar too. Although I also thought there was no way Rockets would trade Lowry after Dragic signed with the Suns so you never know. Iguodala would be an upgrade but at that price you still don’t have a guy who can take over at the end of the game. His ball handling and shooting are in the same field as Derozans. Although his defense with Lowrys could put the Raptors into the top ten on the defensive end. It’s usually the better defensive teams that make the playoffs. DD still has good upside and salary aside Jose is very effective of the bench and will make create easier scoring for Player Like Amir and Jonas.

  • QuincyAcyEarlClark

    The reason Forbes was included in the deal was to give the Raptors enough cap space to get Fields and Lowry. To get that cap space they also need to renounce their free agents. Calderon will stay, Bayless is gone. If they amnesty Amir or trade him for an expiring they will have enough cap space next year to get an elite wing. James Harden?

    • Toshmon

      Yeah, I agree they have 5 new players. I dont think much more than minor moves will happen this year.

    • guest

      Not true, the trade of Forbes allows them to keep everyone.

    • Destro

      Forbes had nothing to do with Landry….

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    – Budinger had problems with McHale as well

    – Lowry great in P & R, plays with both hands, drives more on left sides, very good on   both uptempo and half court.

    – SF Starter AK 47 my favourite next (possible between 7/8 mil), cos Gay is not on the market

    -Brandon Rush to fill the bench is perfect.

    Feel free to do your consideration on who should be waived or traded to satisfy accountability

    • Nilanka15

      I heard McHale rubbed people the wrong way even going back to his playing days in Boston…

    • Balls of Steel

      I’m high on Fields as the starting SF. Slight overpayment but the Lowry trade and his reasonable salary offsets this. Also, the overpayment is not a lot, perhaps 1 or 2 mil per season.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        You’re high but I don’t know what on…..smdh lol

        • Balls of Steel

          You’re high on Tony Wroten Jr. and I don’t call you high.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            If you are high on Fields as the Rap’s potential starting SF then you must be high…..as he’s nothing more than a rotation bench player not a starter….where as the just turned 19 y/o TWJr’s ceiling is NBA All Star…top 5 potential out of this past draft.

            • Balls of Steel

              I’m jealous of your basketball wisdom. How does it feel to be right all the time?

  • Toshmon

    I dont think Calderon is going anywhere…Right now the Raps have one on the best PG combos in the NBA.  (PHX as well)

    Bayless should be gone.

    I really hope they dont trade DD, hes f*cking 22 yrs old! he will be in his prime in a couple years. I dont think BC is that shortsided.

    The one thing the raps have now that they’ve lacked is on court leadership and depth:
    Quincy Acy, Jose and Lowry are a welcome combination.

    • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

      Jose Calderon can be a starter in several teams around the League. I can’t see him coming off the bench in TO.

      • Destro

        He has no choice….

        • The Truth

           Yeah, but management does, and he’s kind of expensive to have keeping the seats warm.

          • ckh26

            IMO Jose is likely to stay for a few of reason. First.. its a long season and injuries happen. Second he is nice change of pace. Changing the flow of the game causes other teams to have to adjust. He is an NBA parlance an asset… one does not normally just give an asset away without a return of some kind. 

            If he is to be traded who needs a PG ? Could we do business with one of  Portland, Houston or Sacramento ? Or maybe the the Philly deal happens and we get to anaylse that.

            One thing for sure.. BC has stirred interest in the fan base

            • Nilanka15

              Calderon is the perfect backup PG, and like you mentioned, he’d offer a great change of pace compared to Lowry.

              But the question is, does Calderon want to stay in Toronto considering he’s been replaced as a starter 3 times now (and almost traded once)?

              Even the nicest of guys have their limits…

              • ckh26

                Your right .. Everyone has a limit.. and jose is within his rights as a vet and character guy to ask out.. Am thinking that Jose may overlook that pride for 9.5M$ reasons plus the chance to contribute to a playoff run for the first time in a few years. Might invigorate the guy and up his stock. He has been a good soldier. We will all see what unfolds in the next 7 to 10 days.

              • Destro

                Calderon would only stay for a season…he wont be here after 2012-13….

                • Nilanka15

                  Yes, I am aware…

    • Sam Holako

      Unless the Raptors get something for Calderon, there is no sense in amnestying him. I’d rather start the year with Lowry/Calderon, and have different looks at the point; make teams have to adjust in-game.

      • Balls of Steel

        An expiring contract and a steady hand on offense in Calderon is valuable in the league. I’m shocked at the suggestion that the team should amnesty the guy. He’s been through enough but continues to be a pro. A Lowry / Calderon combo is fine but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Lowry / Bayless combo for many years to come.

        • Destro

          What he has been through ? He gets paid 9 million a season and hes played in virtually no pressure packed situations here…thats a BS narrative thru and thru….Hes been thru NOTHING…

          • Balls of Steel

            How about a failed trade attempt to Charlotte, the TJ Ford / Jarrett Jack saga. I feel like if I say white right now, you’ll just say black. Is there anything we have in common?

            • Destro

              Tons of other players go thru that shit,thats NBA business pay me 9mil and ill go thru some failed trade attempts (shrug)

              Hes had no REAL adversity….

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        More pg drama……….to be storylined if Jose stays….best to let him go via trade or amnesty and end the media hype pg bs before it even starts.

      • Destro

        IMO i dont think you can do the Ford/Calderon scenario again or allow it to happen again…..IMO Calderon has to go…or else your setting up a potential conflict…

        • Ihatehaters

          Are you and BCStefanski… one and the same? It’s like you always have the exact same opinion. Except he’s mildly retarded and writes like he’s a character from Malibu’s Most Wanted.

    • Joshua Leipciger

      Calderon and Lowry would make an amazing tandem. But, simply because Calderon would be making $10M to play 18-20 min a game, it’s a luxury this club can’t afford. Better to use his market value to bring in help on the wing.

      • Nilanka15

        If Barbosa’s $7 million expiring contract nets us nothing more than a late 2nd round pick, what can we seriously expect to get in exchange for Calderon’s $10 million expiring contract?

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          BC tried to stop the Rap’s winning games by trading away Bosa using the freeing up of cap space to make trades during the playoffs & pre draft yet no trades were made in that time period….pr spin…on tanking aka stanking…..

          We can potentially get some young players and/or future draft picks for Jose expiring contract from a team loking for a Jose type of pg if other similar scenarios hold true to form and let JBayless back up Lowry.

    • Nilanka15

      Trading DeRozan isn’t necessarily “giving up” on him.  It’s just an acknowledgement that in order to get value, you have to give up value (the Lowry deal excluded).

      • Balls of Steel

        Trading Derozan (and getting something of value) during his contract year is the perfect time. He’ll put up decent numbers and teams will want that. Re-signing DD after this season makes me nervous. He’s reached his ceiling in my opinion.

        • Destro

          NO he has not,terrible analysis/opinion…

          • Balls of Steel

            DeRozan’s ceiling has been met. The numbers suggests that from last season. Worse, he cannot defend, shooting is suspect and has a hard time rebounding. If such is the case in your professional assessment, why draft Ross, then go after Fields (yes, with Nash in mind, got it)? There you go… White.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Wow, you sound so sure of yourself…lmfao

            • Destro

              smh @ getting hurt by posters disagreeing with you da fuc k is that in the masculinity guide ?? Your analysis is backwards if you thnk year 3 means hes plateau’d he has more upside in his game if he can just learn to dribble a ball properly…he has so much improvement he can make that if he can and match it with his supreme athleticism you would see a plus 20 PPG scorer who can rebound and play defense….legit 20/5/5 is his ceiling…whether he gets there is another debate….

              lol @ you dudes in here saying a players ceiling is met after his 3rd season BUT suggesting another centre is still imprvoving after 6 full seasons of the same shit….

              hypocritical favouritism bullshit..you dudes aint no fans of this team….you cant even critique YOUR favourite teams players by the same scales and barometers…    

              • hater

                u really are dumb AF….

              • FLUXLAND

                D, I’m not razzing you here.. just weird you are so sold on him, but I know his your boy and all…yet

                “if he can just learn to dribble a ball properly”
                “if he can match…  Supreme athleticism”…

                Isn’t that a little “hypocritical favouritism bullshit” on your end? There is absolutely nothing supreme about his game at all. What faucet of the game would you say he dominates when he’s on the floor?

                How alarmed does one have to be over a 3rd year NBA player who cannot dribble properly? And let’s not mention his defense leaves much much to be desired, by anyone’s standard.

                He was drafted based on that alleged supreme athleticism and potential, right now he’s entering Ryan Leaf territory.

                (Take it easy on me, I know you are going DEFCON 1 after this. : ) )

                • Destro

                  Who said im sold on him ? I said hes young and has upside based on athleticism alone…He could wind up being what i said..My only problem is giving him up too early and then watching him doing it somewhere else…Dont get me twisted like these geeks im totally unbiased towards all raptor players…I think he has upside and has alot of improvement thats where im coming from…Im not against trading anyone on the team if it helps the team….

                  Difference is i dont lie about DeMar i dont say hes KObe i dont say hes an all star and a bunch of things hes not,i just say hes not fulfilled all his potential IMO…

                  Alot of other posters do not keep it 100 like that and do play favourites with players here and you can see it in there rose colored arguments and opinions… 

                • FLUXLAND

                  “My only problem is giving him up too early and then watching him doing
                  it somewhere else.”

                  Yeah, we agreed on this before. I suspect he’s holding back too, but that irks me more than anything – straight from the book of VC bitchassness.. yet, one could only blame him to an extent, as this sorry ass organization is not worth risking an injury over.  

                  I put Ed Davis in the same boat, he HAS to be holding back!

                • hater

                  holdingg back?? u must be more dum AF than i thought…..these guys playin for contracts down th road and u think they aint gonna showcase themselves and act like scrubs on purpose???….smdh

                • FLUXLAND

                  I’m just glad you are acknowledging they are playing for themselves and their contracts, not the team.

                  I guess when they get moved and flourish you will chalk it up to “not playing in the right system”?

                  I also enjoy the leap from holding back to scrubs. Being opportunistic is not being a scrub.

                  Any thoughts on VC? Any thoughts on why they play with more gusto vs certain teams? Any thoughts on why DD spend an inordinate amount of time being chummy after games with players from other teams, if the Raps are his one and only home?  Any thoughts why his A and R # (team stats) are what they are? Or is that how you play into your next contract?

                  I don’t even get what you are saying.  They are scrubs and this is what they will always be?

                  Are you even saying anything at all, beside insulting me? (which is fine by the way, just make some kind of point while you are at it)

                    

                • hater

                  lmao this guy….how can u play for a contract and not play for ur team at the same time dummy?? if they dont wana be here they asked to be traded…did bosh put up better numbrs when he left?? did vc?? no, vc was playing like a superstar beefore he wantd to be traded u dumb fk. fk some guys playd worse when they left e.g mike james, d-stoudemire. 

                  “holding back” smdh…likea players gonna hold back to fk over th team and fk over himself for the future. no team is gona give a contract to a guy tht was holdin back…stfu and make sense for once

                • FLUXLAND

                  Play for your team and play for a contract by showcasing, aterm you used. 

                • Ihatehaters

                  How can you play for a contract and not play for your team? Two words for you: Mike James.

                • hater

                  so ur sayin he didnt help the team win?? stfu

                • p00ka

                  Daily incessant whine makes ppl stupid, and a few RR members provide plenty of proof. As preposterous as it is, he actually believes it and will argue his blue little face off.

                • FLUXLAND

                  I’m even sure I get your function on here.  I may provide arguments that are incomprehensible to you and you don’t agree with; yet it’s clear you have never said anything that has changed my mind besides reciting “the media said” over and over again, so again, your purpose on here beside following me and insulting me, is what exactly? Also, if you are convinced I am stupid and you continue to engage me, what does that say about you? Are you just getting off on it and boosting your ego?

                  Just tell me what your obsession with me is, because I avoid people I don’t like and I never engage you, so what is your deal?

                • p00ka

                  Flux, I never used “media said” over and over, but your style is inventing stuff, so carry on little boy.

                  My function? I set my sights on different things, dependent upon the circumstances, but one thing I enjoy is rattling the cage of loud mouth fools who act like they know better than anybody else. DD’s and ED’s performances are due to dogging it because they want out? LMAO, you’re pathetic.

                • FLUXLAND

                  Rattling my cage?! LOL. Good luck with that, but thanks for replying, I can respct that.  miguided and

                • hater

                  lmao at “i keep it 100″ a dum fk like u dont keep it 100 with anything. u lie all the time stfu forreal before i smack u…

                • Destro

                  Dogg you wouldnt do shit and that includes even look me in the eyes if you got within 2 feet of me….ur type weak,i can see it in ur posts…

                • FLUXLAND

                  Here’s hater and Pook in all their glory… read to “rattle people’s cages”

                • hater

                  nice, took a snapshot of urself with your webcam and added a caption lmao. good for u.

                  u and destro = e-thugs, cuz we all kno whatll hapen when u talk shit in person. hidin behind a keyboard is easier and safer.

                • hater

                  lmao @ “type weak” wtf that supposed to mean type weak gtfoh….u some gangsta wanna be 12 year old pussy tht wears an ecko hoodie nd dickies pants, listens to wayne and pac and thinks he all that. u dont stand a chance against me and if tht a challenege than lets see u put up dummy

      • mountio

        Im still not sure how you dont think a first rounder is value! Its considerable value!
        Yes, next year’s draft might look weak now, but who knows .. for a young team like the Raps, I would be hoarding as many picks as possible.
        Like you said, you have to give value to get value .. and I think all things considered, for Lowry’s talent and contract, we got a good deal. But, make no mistake .. a first round draft pick from a team that hasnt showed any abiilty to get out of the lottery certainly has value ..

        • Nilanka15

          I’m seeing the next Joey Graham selected with the 10-14 pick next year 😉

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Yes, let’s keep a back up 10 million dollar pg that is weak on defense, will sulk once Lowry establishes himself as the starter & has lost his jump shot somewhere between Spain & the TDot……..

      Let Jose go away via trade or amnesty…..

  • Brian B

    nothing against Lowry, but just can’t get excited about him. sure, above average PER _ solid defence, but undersized & has struggled to define himself as a full time starter. Like Fields, I think he is slightly over paid for a guy who isn’t going to make you a contender.

    It seems that the Raps have put all the scoring hopes in the hands of AB again, unless DD can find consistency, yet have not addressed the issues at SF (I don’t see Fields as a real solution there).

    Sure, improved team, but still way far away from contending for more than ping pong balls.

    • Joshua Leipciger

      I don’t think anyone should be touting Lowry as the determining factor in making a team a contender. Could he be the starting PG on a playoff team? I have no doubt. And at his price tag? He has possibly the best non-rookie contract in all the NBA. I remember him going for a dominant triple double in his rookie season in Memphis and I thought then that this kid would be an All Star. He then got badly injured and it took a while for him to resurface again. 

    • Nilanka15

      Lowry overpaid?  By all accounts around the league, he’s got one of the best (if not the best) non-rookie contracts in the league.

      • mountio

        Exactly .. not overpaid at all. Overhyped? Maybe marginally .. but he has a great contract.

        • Brian B

           … I say marginally overpaid applying the theory expounded by Henry Abbott based on his assessment of the heat and other teams that only the three top stars on a contending team are worth more than the league average, which is about $5 million. The smart thing contenders do is save the money to overpay their top guys top salaries, and then fill in with vets willing to take reduced salary to play for a winner, and rookie deals.

          Lowry would not be a top three star on a contender. thus, by this theory, overpaid.

          • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

            That theory is seriously FLAWED……..

            • Destro

              Its flawed because it doesnt apply to our team,it applies to certain teams that draw those superstars or have one or more in place already….

              theories are GREAT knowing when to apply them is even greater !

          • Destro

            Hes not marginally overpaid quick talking out ur ass….Theres always a smart dumb guy in here that goes against the grain and logic just to “different”

            • Lorenzo

               That’s hilarious, that’s exactly YOUR purpose in these comment sections, to disagree with every single thing and cause a shitstorm just because your an asshole and can’t have a conversation with someone without insulting them.

              You and your alter-ego. You’re an ass, and every time I read one of your shitty ass comments I lose some IQ points. Do you have any friends? I’ll be your friend if your lonely. :)

              • Destro

                I have too so much of you are full of SHIT and dont know what ur talking about relating to basketball or this team….

                • Lorenzo

                  Okay that’s your opinion, but you can do it without being rude.

                • Ihatehaters

                  You are, without a doubt, the toughest guy on the Internet.

            • Donfiasko

              Why you gotta be such an insulting MF.  Didn’t your mamma teach you any manners.  You and BCStefanski……2Go and like cancers on this board.

              • Destro

                Nah we bring the real unfiltered unbiased opinions about this team to you fckn lemmings who who got BC’s dick all in ur mouths….

                • hater

                  u know all bout that dummy u speakin from experience

                • Destro

                  get ur ass back in the house before the lights come on “schuyler”

                • ghost

                  They used to moderate this forum. It’s a shame that it has been downgraded to insults and threats. It’s just basketball folks…  

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      If anything Lowry is underpaid……

      How can the team improve when AB is still its best player?

    • sleepz

      He’s not big but he plays big and most importantly sacrificies his body.

      His attitude will be important for a team that often lacks intensity and toughness and he doesn’t shy away from the moment.

      Fields is overpaid and can’t influence the game like Lowry can. Scoring for this team will come from more sources (Lowry, Ross) this year than Andrea, and Demar which is a sight for sore eyes.

      I do agree with you that I don’t think Fields is the answer at the 3 but we’ll see how it plays out.

      • sleepz

        In fact, unless Fields can find his shot again I feel he was bad signing period.

  • guest

    Jose will not come off the bench, no matter how nice you think he is he will not be happy in that role.  He will be gone by February.

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      I agree, Jose sulks when he has competition for his pg job…hopefully well before then he’ll be gone.

      • Lorenzo

        How many times do we have to set you straight? Jose steps up when he has competition. Just ask Jarrett and T.J., and soon Bayless. He sure as hell is not starting over Lowry but he absolutely without a doubt will not sulk. Also, eat shit.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

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          • Lorenzo

            +1,

            Insightful analysis of my reply.

        • Destro

          Why cant he step up and just take a starting job without this team constantly having to get a new PG while hes here ? Yall idiots got it backwards JOse never stole a job he keeps getting HIS took….TJ came and became the starter,then JJ came and took his job,now Kyle is coming to take his job and basically force him off the team…

          You ever notice the team keeps going after PGs the entire time hes been here,what does that tell you ? Hes never had this starting job comfortably,its always someone can come in and give HIM competition and eventually outplay and get HIS mins..ITS happened with 3 diff PGs here….Why cant JOSE just take the starting gig without relinquishing it over and over…

          i’ll tell ya why cuz hes a backup with backup guard skills in every facet of the game,absolutely any PG with foot speed,lateral quicks who can shoot and get to the basket will always beable to steal his job for any lengtth of time..cuz you need that from ur starting PG and Jose cant give you that…..

           

    • sleepz

       Then they should trade him. If he’s a ‘team player’ he will accept his role.

      Lowry is a better option not only from the defensive standpoint but he will not play it safe like Jose does and imo will command more respect from his teammates than Calderon ever has.

      • Destro

        You will see Lowry do things THIS season you havent seen from Calderon his entire career..you will see a PG be to actually run a offense and break down a defense and take over a game when he has too in the context of the offense…NO MORE holding the ball for 15 seconds and dumping a wing pass on the arc for a 18 footer at the buzzer !!

  • hotfuzz

    Could be possible change our offer to fields if not rescind it? 
    Go so low that fields has to reject it. Something like 3 yr, 9 million?

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Sitting on the sidelines with no guidelines…..lmfao

  • Joshua Leipciger

    I have to correct myself. That triple double was a figment of my imagination. He went for 16/6/5 with 5 steals and then was injured the next game and missed the remainder of the season. Apologies for the visions of grandeur.

  • Joshua Leipciger

    I have to correct myself. That triple double was a figment of my imagination. He went for 16/6/5 with 5 steals and then was injured the next game and missed the remainder of the season. Apologies for the visions of grandeur.

  • Checbenj

    Nash was great fell off last year and defensivly a minus. More PR than PG for TO  Lowry a beast defensivly. A trade for Ingodala defensivly better than Derozan if we can get him we should.  Defence is the key always has been.  If you stop them more times than they stop you.  Your team wins

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Exactly, DEFENSIVE culture and BC goes after Nash as his 1st f/a target?smh

      SF AI would be a nice pick up and he plays solid defense…just don’t want the Rap’s to potentially give up too much for him…time will tell.

      • Balls of Steel

        So, you’re ok with his wonky Achilles heel and the $14.7 million salary?

    • Destro

      IM not against going after Iguodala BUT not if its Davis,Demar and Jose…not interested in giving up all of that for him….

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        That’s just what it is. New rumors confirming Calderon+DD+ED for AI

        • Nilanka15

          I haven’t seen these rumours on twitter.

          But in other Philly news, they just amnestied Elton Brand.

          • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

            Confirmed Twitter + saying 76ers maybe adding PF (ED?) and backup PG (Calderon?)after waiving Brand.

            I can’t remember the name but is an 1/2 an hour ago tweet 

          • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

            Ryan McNeill: I’m hearing rumors of #RTZ trading Jose, DeMar and Ed for Andre Igoudala. Do it, BC! Great core of Lowry, AI, Bargs, JV. about 48 minutes agoRead more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1zrBKUDSv

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        That’s too much unless there’s more coming back from Philly.

        • Destro

          way too much iggy aint young no more…..

      • Checbenj

        I agree those 3 way to much to give, I think 2 out of three aint bad!

  • ad

    Lowry is a borderline all star type of player. Just the type of player the raps need. The next move should be packaging calderon with derozan/davis and getting a very good sf. Preferably one of iggy/gay/deng/granger. I have no problem trading derozan. Dont see him turning into an all star with those poor handles and lack of d. The only thing he does well is score inefficiently and get to the ft line.

    A lineup of
    lowry/bayless
    fields/ross
    sf x/kleiza/j johnson
    bargs/ a johnson or davis
    val/gray

    should be good enough for 5th or 6th in the east.

    • sleepz

      I like Lowry however an ALL-STAR (no borderline) is just the type of player the Raptors need.

      • ad

         Hah i’ll even settle for borderline. Much better than what they had before.

    • Destro

      I have said this since last season..he healthy and gets 35 mins a night i think he can easily do 16-18 PPG and 8 dimes and that would put him in the all star convo….

  • c_bcm

    Yeah, I think Aaron Gray should be on that depth chart.

  • jjdynomite

    DESTRO — I am not trying to bait you here, but please tell me why you think DeRozan is so good/untradeable for Iggy, the latter who offers + rebounding, + assists and + defense for a 28-year-old SF. (I consider Calderon gone anyway after this season, and Davis a wash with Amir and his duplicate skills plus long-term contract).

    What I see in DeMar is:

    – A 1:1 AST:TO ratio, which is horrible for any backcourt player, let along a starting SG.

    – 26% from 3, and minimal 3s taken anyway, because he sucks at it, which is beyond terrible for a starting SG.

    – 42.2% FG, a decline from his rookie and his soph seasons, which is garbage for anyone not named Kobe Bryant or Allen Iverson (ergo, volume shooters who are deserved first options on their teams).

    I look forward to your response.

    • Nilanka15

      Stats don’t matter because he’s got “potential” :p

      • Destro

        If you wanna go by stats were DeRozans not comparable last season ?

        DD is 22 Andre is getting old fast…

    • Destro

      Demar + Calderon + Edward is too much for AI

      What dont you get ?

      • jjdynomite

        Destro, I’m serious. If: 1. Jose is a throw-in to match salaries (and he’s no longer worth a starting PG salary), 2. Ed is redundant with Amir, then 3. the issue for you making this trade must be DD.

        And so I’m asking you, what makes you value DD so much that you’d hold up on trading him for Iggy? DD has ridiculously bad peripheral stats for a shooting guard and has gotten worse in every facet of his game in his three years (he’s stayed level in FT%, but that’s all, folks). A SHOOTING GUARD who can only dunk and not shoot 3s is pathetic. By his 3rd year, Vince was shooting 162/397 3s for .408%.

        To use composite stats, DD’s PER was 12.9 last season — with 15 being the league average.

        And there is no excuse for lack of coaching anymore.

        And, ta da, DD is in line for a $4.5 million qualifying offer next season.

        I’m sorry, “but he’s 22″ is not a sufficient answer for someone who considers himself an educated poster.

        • Destro

          Are you a remedial learner ?

          Its a 3 for 1 deal proposed not DD for Iguodala…

  • ad

    So phi needs a pg and pf. Do you think a package of calderon/davis/jjohnson would be enticing enough for philly to trade us Iggy?  The salaries match.

    • Nilanka15

      I really don’t liky Iggy as a fit here.  Shot creation on the wings will still be a big problem for us.

      I’d prefer Gay, Granger or Chandler.  And if those guys aren’t available, status quo is fine with me. 

      • 2damkule

        i’m not sure why you’re focusing so highly on iggy’s offensive shortcomings.  as long as bargs is in the picture, the offense will flow through him.  if DD is part of a package sent out to acquire iggy, it moves fields to his ‘natural’ position (SG) until/if ross is ready to step into the starters role.  i’m not suggesting that they aren’t going to need offensive production from iggy, i just think that him being a poor iso player is a bit of a strawman argument.  take that (and his questionable outside shot-making ability), and you’ve got a guy who’d fit with the roster they’re building nicely.

        • Nilanka15

          I’m just saying, if we’re shopping for a SF, might as well look for a player who doesn’t bring a new set of obvious holes in his game.

          Bargnani isn’t a guy I’m comfortable running a late-game ISO for either.

          Every team needs that one guy capable of making a play out of nothing.  As it stands right now, Lowry is the likely candidate.  Ideally, I’d like it to be one of our wings (neither Fields or Ross fit that bill either).

      • Phat AlberG

        I finally agree with you Iggy would be a terrible fit here.  He is so overrated as a wing player and I personally think Derozan is better than him.   

        • jjdynomite

          “I personally think Derozan is better than him [Iggy].”

          You are very wrong. See my posts above.

      • Stan

         my sentiments exactly. 

        Also as Balls said, Iggy has a wonky Achilles heel and  $14.7 mil salary. 

  • SphenicAtaraxy51
  • Phat AlberG

    Personally I wanted to Steve Nash to finish his career here but I am ecstatic we got Lowry.  I’ve been a fan of his since he was in college and I love his attitude.  Toronto fans are going love this guy work ethic he never wants to come of the floor and he’s plays with a chip on his shoulder.  Bryan you did good job but you did over pay for fields but who cares it’s not my money. 

  • jjdynomite

    Bayless becomes unrestricted FA, from Marc Stein:
    https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/221321155016015872

    Sounds like a trade is brewing.

    • ckh26

      Yeah.. time for rampant speculation. Raptors want a SF. Philly has one (IGGY)  and Portland has one (Batum). Minnesota wants a SF but Portland doesn’t want to deal an asset that can hurt them into the same division (Batum). Minnesota has a young but still unproven SF in Derrick Williams. Portland and Philly need a PG. We have a decent PG in Jose.  The ingrediants are there. But what will it look like if something is brewing ?

    • Nilanka15

      Yes!  No more stumpy undersized shooting guards suffering from Point Guard Identity Crisis

  • Destro

    OK i dont understand pulling the QO on Bayless unless he has a signing or a deal in place….You cant go with Lowry/Calderon this year..too much friction in that pairing..I dont think jose wants to go thru another controversy and Lowry im sure doesnt wanna come here to be a backup….Gave up on Bayless too soon smh…

    Guy averaged 18 and 6 as a starter here and had the 2nd highest PER (YOUR STAT not mine) last season on the team…Dont like it…

    • Nilanka15

      Yeah, but check his stats as a backup.  The guy just doesn’t play with the same level of confidence coming off the bench.  Nice kid, but his game didn’t fit what we’re doing here.

  • Koncept

    Calderon hasn’t had his own offensive swagger for years. I think he’s the best backup a team could ever ask for. If he sulks and sucks then at least he’s good trade bait to keep around for the season. Not to hate on the man tho, calderon is worth keeping around

  • Gordm55

    So tired of this landry is overpaid crap.  Have you  guys been looking at what people are signing for.  Landry is a steal compared to any of the free agent signings thus far.  Have a look at his stats when Melo is not playing.  This guy can play at both ends. We got 40 year olds signing for over 10 million.  the Landry signing is fine.  He is a legitimate starter period!

  • Jeffrey Thompson

    I personally do not think that Lowry is a good fit for the raptors.  ghe’s certainly not good enough to let go of Jerryd Bayless for nothing.  he’s extemely small and not that great a shooter.  Colangelo might resign if he see Jerryd blowing it up somewhere else