The Raptors finally announced it:

“We are very pleased to welcome Jonas to the organization,” said Raptors President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo. “We are certain that Raptors fans will soon realize that the year-long process was worth the wait.”

Hell yes! Plan the parade, make sure the Spadina/King construction is over!

Jonas will be walking into the ACC this fall LIKE A BOSS! There’s no shortage of exclamation marks here! Really! There aren’t! This is it, boys and girls, this is what Jay Triano’s unintended yet fantastic efforts of tanking has bought us: Jonas Valanciunas. This is the man the rebuild hinges over, it’s not Ross, not Bargnani, certainly not DeRozan or Davis, it’s Jonas YO-nahs vah-lahn-CHEW-nahs! He’s like the Wolf from Pulp Fiction, he’s been called upon because times are tough and someone was needed to save the day, so he has arrived. LIKE A BOSS.

I can’t recall a time when a Raptors draft pick was counted on as much as we’re relying on Jonas. Maybe Damon, but that doesn’t count since the franchise was spanking new. Bargnani? We all knew deep in our hearts that that was a weak draft, any other year and he would’ve gone 5-7. Bosh? It’s known that we were a pick too low in that draft. At this juncture for this franchise, with no shining beacon in the arsenal or even anyone you can seriously hang the word ‘potential’ over, Jonas is stepping in with all of us biting our teeth that he “pans out” in the same degree as someone like Vince Carter did for us. For Jonas, becoming as good as Bargnani doesn’t cut it, if he’s at a DeRozan level then he’s a bad pick, and I won’t even touch Ed Davis.

The Raptors are used to setting the bar low for their picks but here’s a situation where that is out of the question. Failure or mediocrity is not an option. Sure, he’s only 20 years old and hasn’t played a single game, but that buys him a max of two years to show something that gets people to buy season seats, because Landry Fields sure as hell isn’t going to do it. I doubt this young man even knows how much his arrival is being counted on by the fans, who are desperate for something actually positive (not just painted as positive by a bored and hopeful media/fanbase). He’s Bryan Colangelo’s last dollar in a game of roulette, and if this flops like his other picks and signings, it’s game over.

The limited that I’ve seen of him, he’s got virtually no offensive game at this point, and feeds off two-man action, boards, and setups. That is perfect fine, that’s how Dwight Howard was his first year (and arguably still is). Jonas is the guy who’s expected to grow into a player that will get you on ESPN, and I don’t mean SportsCenter. Reading Raul’s reports from the Olympic qualifying, and checking whatever YouTube I can, it’s clear that what we’re importing is a raw product, perhaps even rawer than Bargnani. In this case, however, his specialty is rebounding and defense which is much easier to translate to the NBA than Bargnani’s repertoire (which at the time was shooting and step-back shooting).

So here’s what I expect from Jonas this year.

– A starting role playing 35 minutes a night
– 8-10 rebounds
– 8 points
– 50-60 charges drawn
– A key part of Casey’s zone defense
– A threat on the pick ‘n roll who invites contact
– No expectation on blocks, just be a contest presence and don’t get injured

I’d say those are expectations that are on the low side, except maybe the charges, but the refs loves calling charges so if you’re an above-average defender in reality, you could look really good.

On to summer league, Terrence Ross scored a bunch to get the Raptors their first win of the pre-season. Video and recap here, he’s got a nice dunk in there.

  • cesco

    We don’t know yet what kind of foul trouble he will get into . That may well limit the number of minutes he will play . In the Olympic qualifier , in his second last game , he played only 6 minutes due to foul trouble . He recovered nicely in his last game and played 26 of the 40 minutes those games last . How fast he learn the art of playing good defense and limit the number of fouls will be his first big challenge in the NBA .

    • John

      PG: Lower, Lucas, Jose
      SG: DD, Ross
      SF: Fields, Kleiza, Anderson
      PF: AB, Davis,Amir
      Center: BigVal, Gary, Acy

      14 Player under Contract !!! This is it people. Say help to 2012-2013 Raptor team.

      Is this a play off team ?? I think so. We can compete for the fifth place in the East.

      • http://www.facebook.com/brandon.moore.14289 Brandon Moore

        I hate when when fans act like they know what they are talking about but can’t even get name right…who the heck is “Lower” or “Gary”…smh

  • Guest

    Gotta agree with cesco. While your first year stats seem fair I think a big part of his learning curve will be staying out of foul trouble. Plus I don’t think you want a player as young and skinny, who plays so physical to play 35 mins per game in his first full NBA season. Seems like an injury waiting to happen. 

  • Brian B

    and as a rookie, he’ll be on the wrong side of most charge/block calls, further increasing potential foul trouble. 

  • Marz

    8 points and 8-10 rebounds? Yeah, I doubt it. I’m thinking 6 points 6 boards, 22 minutes per game.

    • Theswirsky

      Considering how efficient he is, how he plays close to the basket, how good of an offesnive rebounder he should be, and how inefficient his teammates are as shooters – 8 pts a game shouldn’t be unrealistic.

      • Nilanka15

        Agreed.  I think 10 and 8 is very realistic (provided he gets the minutes).

        • mountio

          hell get the minutes .. its just a matter of whether we can stay on the court foul wise. Im thinking 12 and 8 is pretty realistic .. Id like to see more obviously .. but would be very happy with 12 and 8

          • CJT

            Why not 20 and 10 if he stays on the floor?  Give the kid a break.

            • scooter

              As the Wolf would say: “Well, let’s not start sucking each others dicks quite yet.”

            • Theswirsky

              12 and 8 isn’t that unrealistic of a number.

              If we take a look at other rookie big men who had successful careers and come in with this sort of ‘hype':

              Griffin 24-12
              Okafor 15 -11
              Howard 12-8
              Cousins 14 – 9
              Laettner 18-9 (too long ago?)
              Pau 18-9

              Even draft ‘busts’ Oden dropped 9-7 (in 20 minutes) and Olowokandi put up 9 – 8 in their rookie years

              12-8 would be good, but it should also be very realistic assuming the minutes are there

              (ofcourse if all the talk about him playing against men in pro ball and being the 2nd best player in this draft is over doing it, then I’d expect much lower results. But there is no way Raptor fans, media and the organization would over hype a player would they?)

              • mountio

                I totally agree. Your oden example is a good one. If we get 9 and 7 .. Im pretty dissapointed. Lets not build this guy up into something he never can be .. but holy shit, 12 and 8 should not be too high a bar for the “2nd best talent if he came out in this years draft”

                • Destro

                  We need to have a side forum taking side bets on some of these predictions….

                  i think 8 and 6 is reasonable…

              • CJT

                Great post.  I am just worried that as the article seems to reiterate over that we are placing really high expectations on him as the savior a little to soon.

                • Destro

                  Hes not going to be a savior…ppl in here are flat out dumb and unrealistic…

                  I think he’ll be a productive center at his peak and a starter but he wont be an all star and he wont be anything close to a franchise player…Funny thing is these same posters are assessing THIS based on the videos out there lol…

                  Thats not hate,thats a real opinion of him…At his peak i think a 15-10 guy..might get him into an all star game depending on who else is playing and whos at the position…but all this savior and franchise tag talk is corny….

                • CJT

                  Not sure what he’ll turn in to either, but I always get worried about the fans here as they are quick to turn on players if they don’t live up to their expectation.  15 and 10 guy would be fine, specially if he is not a focus on offense and gets his point through hustle plays etc.

                • FLUXLAND

                  “but I always get worried about the fans here as they are quick to turn
                  on players if they don’t live up to their expectation.”

                  Why would that worry you?

                • CJT

                  Because the expectations that are being place on a 20 year old are that of a savior and future of the franchise.  Just feel like that is a bit unfair to put on a guy before he has a chance to play a minute of NBA ball. 

                • FLUXLAND

                  Unfair? Bro, this is not the local YMCA, we are not worried about peoples feelings here. This kid is getting paid millions of greenbacks to perform and deliver, money that in some shape or form comes from the fans. If he fails to meet anyone’s expectations, whatever they may be, they reserve the right to act as they see fit. Also, those expectations are being placed by BC and Co. Read the quote Arse started off with, right now BC is saying we don’t know shit and this kid is the answer to all the problems.  So if you wanna blame anyone for placing expectations, that’s the guy you are looking for. My guess is he passed the Caliper test with flying colours and BC believes this kid can’t feel any pressure at all. All I want to see him do is rebound the crap out of the ball and watching him do that against slow geezer that are 6 inches shorter than him, in some bunk league is not inspiring at all. 

                • CJT

                  Well, thats not quite what the qoute says, but I would expect you to read it that way.  You may not care that he is given a fair shot to become the player that he is hyped up to become, but I do.

                • hater

                  and y do u care wut worries him dummy? i thot you were the guy on here that doesnt ask questions or care how ppl think. stfu

                • FLUXLAND

                  Children are to be seen, not heard. Shhh! Back to the sandbox where you belong, rugrat. 

                • cesco

                   But Pau and Dirk are 7 feet white Europeans that became all stars . So how do Jonas compare to Pau and Dirk at the age of 20 . Please let us know how good these two were compare to Jonas at the same age . Honestly , I think you are talking thru your ass .

                • sleepz

                  It doesn’t matter to me but do you know how good he is compared to those 2 players at that age?

                  Those are 2 accomplished ball players with perhaps a different skill set than Jonas as well. Gasol might be a better comparison but you’re talking about a big that can face, post up, with a feathery touch and exceptional passing and court vision for a big man. 

                  I guess in your opinion the Raptors have 2 potential Nowitzki’s on their roster.

                • cesco

                   Destro said he won’t be an all-star and I was trying to tell him how he can be so sure . I gave an example of two Europeans that were picked lower than the fifth place  where Jonas was picked and they became all stars so why not Jonas .

                • sleepz

                  He could become an all-star. No one can say yes or no for sure as it’s all guessing at this point.

                  My comment was based on the comparison of 2 potential hall of famers.

                • Destro

                  proof you didnt read a single one of my posts on this player…

                  I said he isnt a franchise player,most likely not all star but if reaches his potential (which is 15/10 IMO) he might get there…

                   

                • Destro

                  Where ur picked has NO bearing on ur all star aspirations,just absurd….smh

                • sleepz

                  If the basis of your comparison is that they are all white Euro 7’fter’s you might need to broaden the basis of your comparison.  

                • FLUXLAND

                  How can you even be asking this?

                  No one will ever shoot the ball the like Dirk, ever, his shot was tailor made for him by his coach. And Pau has post moves/court vision this kid can only dream of. 

                • Destro

                  Why did you reference the white european in your rebuttal ?

                  tells me everything i need to know about ur agenda in this…

                • cesco

                  There is no agenda , I am color blind , shouldn’t have used the word ‘white’ .

              • hyperdouche

                Oh no, your mention of the likes of Okafor and Laettner has put a bit of fear into my heart. >.<

          • Theswirsky

            he’ll get minutes I’m sure, but even if we assume limited foul trouble (which is not a good assumption mind you) I doubt they will top 30 minutes a game.

            I’d think 25 is a pretty fair guess. 

  • Bigmacphisto

    ” “pans out” in the same degree as someone like Vince Carter did for us”
    That’s ridiculous for any fan to expect that. Then I read you expect him to play 35 minutes a night, and that’s even more ridiculous. And how many charges has he taken overseas? Or will he suddenly become Kidd/Battier combined this year in your eyes?

    I hope he does well and I’m excited to watch him, but you’re drunk off the kool aid man. 

    Also, what does “biting our teeth” mean? 

    • Bigmacphisto

      And I’m not even sure where you’re getting the kool aid from, because BC has been tempering expectations and cautioning fans to be reasonable in what he can bring to the team (especially in his first year).

    • arsenalist

      In their rookie years, Derrick Rose played 37m, Blake Griffin played 38m, and Tim Duncan played 39m.  I can find countless other examples.  Please tell me why Valanciunas (who is already playing professionally) can’t do the same?

      • Destro

        Hes not on the same level as those players…for starters. 

      • CJT

        I’m sure he could do the same, but I’m not sure that he will.  I like the idea of giving he consistent minutes, let him come off the bench to start and get some experience and success under his belt before throwing him out there as the guy.

      • Bigmacphisto

        1) The Raptors don’t need him to.
        2) You’re comparing him to 2 MVP’s which says something about your expectations and how different they are from mine. Griffin had an NBA ready body and his game was based on his freakish athleticism.3) When has Jonas EVER averaged 35 minutes a game? Even at the U-19 World Championships he only averaged 31 minutes per game (Granted that could have been because of blowouts). He averaged just over 23 mpg at Lietuvos Rytas this season. So to expect that he can go from that to playing 35 minutes against the stronger, faster and better players in the NBA is a little absurd in my opinion.

      • Vykis

        Foul trouble, he had this problem all of  his professional career and this won’t change until he puts up much more weight/muscles and learn how to play with hustle smartly without fouling

      • Brian B

         All totally different players. None guarded in the post in their rookie seasons. I’m surprised by Griffin’s number given that he had foul issues, but he was a polished offensive star with a big rep that got slack from referees. You say of JV that ” he’s got virtually no offensive game at this point”. Duncan had Robinson to do the heavy lifting, Rose played limited D that rookie season, and being the no.1 pick out of a championship college run, got breaks. I haven’t seen JV play but I understand he isn’t used to major minutes, and is foul prone.

  • boshrawr

    It is going to be frustrating to watch him some days hence we need to practice patience with the kid. I personally have no expectations for him offensively, I am however going to be wathing him do things like rebound and challenging those invading the paint, basically being strong wheere barg lacks. I think these guys will play well off each other and complement each other perfdctly. moreover I think we are going to see more of 13 game stretch barg. for once he knows all eyes aren’t on him, colangelo has got a new favourite toy, this will allow barg to play more freely without the pressure of a city’s expectations all squarely on his shoulders alone. It should be interesting to watCh I’m looking forward to this season.

  • Matthew Nelson

    The dude needs some meat on his bones…But that probably has to wait until next summer at this point.

    • Nilanka15

      He seems to have a Tyson Chandler type frame.

      • Alex Robert Bill

        Agreed, he’s certainly bigger than Ed Davis right now, and he has the potential to get scary big/muscular if he has the effort.

      • Destro

        Hes not as tall/long as Chandler…

        • Seeten

           Valanciunas measured with a 7’6″ wingspan, at 7’0″ tall according to NBA.com.

          Tyson Chandler measured 6’11 1/2″ tall with a 7’3″ wingspan.

          So, according to the combine measurements, Valanciunas is taller by half an inch and has a 3 inch reach advantage.

          • Thetruth

            Valanciunas will be a daily reminder for the next 10 years to Destro that he is a moron when it comes to the NBA.

            • Destro

              quoted and filed for this upcoming season…Funny thing is you like twisting words and opinions in here to suit these types of posts because you beef with screenames…

              IN other words ur lack of pussy makes you frustrated…

              • Thetruth

                One more thing Destro, stop liking your own comments. You always do it dude, each one of your posts always has 1 like next to it. It’s embarrassing and no one believes it.

            • Lorenzo

              *Dipshitstro thinks he’s smarter than everyone calling them retards and losers blah blah blah. Big talk for a kid hiding behind a monitor.

              When he’s really just looking for an argument, and is in fact; the stupid one.

              • Destro

                Stop lying to urself breh….Ive made it known whoever has a problem can easily find me downtown whenever….hiding from YOU dweebs ? ha ha

                • hater

                  wher downtown dummy downtown could be anywhere. yonge and queen how bout be more specific 

          • Destro

            BS
            Hes 6-11 and Tyson is 7-1
            The wingpsan diff is negligible when were talking over 7 feet…

            • hater

              no it aint dummy. jval also has a longer standing reach,,,again u dont know wtf ur talkin about yet u act all hard and shit u wannabe fakeass

              • Destro

                Hows my ass taste ?

            • CJT

              According to Chad Ford they are pretty close in all aspects. 
              Val 7′ with shoes and 7’4″ wingspan
              Chandles 7.5 and 7’3″ wingspan
              val has a standing reach of 9’3″
              chandler a standing reach of 9’2″

            • Thetruth

              Really Destro? That’s not what you said earlier…

              “Hes not as tall/long as Chandler…” — That’s what you wrote.

              Educate yourself fool.

              • Destro

                Chandler 7-1
                Jonas 6-11

                • Seeten

                   I posted the actual NBA combine measurements just upthread. Taking heights and stats from media guides is not accurate, as the teams misreport heights, weights and other measurements.

                  Combine measurements aren’t perfect, as people do grow from 18 to ~21 but they are better than the made up media guide numbers. At the combine, Jonas measured 7′ in shoes, Chandler measured 6’11.5″ in shoes.

                  Jonas had a 7’6″ wingspan, and Chandler had, at the time, a 7’3″ wingspan. Did Chandler grow? No idea. Jonas might be larger now also, who knows.

                  I understand wanting to be right, but height and reach don’t seem important enough points for this level of needing to be right. If Jonas turns out to be a stud, it isn’t gonna be due to him being 2 inches taller or shorter than Tyson Chandler, thats for sure.

          • Lorenzo

            I got Chandler at 7’1″ with a 7’3″ wingspan. And Jonas at 7’0″ with a 7’4″ wingspan. You’ve probably made a mistake, Chandler is 6’11” and a half without shoes.

        • Thetruth

          He will be MUCH better than Chandler. You wait, Destro. You are going to eat your words for hating on Valanciunas. Don’t you dare jump on his bandwagon once its clear he’s headed to multiple All-Star games.

          • Destro

            Start reading before you babble and you wont come off as a remedial faggot….

            • Thetruth

              So not only do you have problem with white europeans but you’re also a homophobe who tries to make a buck off the RR comment board. 

              Btw, YOU were the one who said Tyson Chandler was “longer/taller” than Valanciunas which prompted Steeten right below to reply to you and educate you.

              • Destro

                ahahahahahahah

                lol @ you spinning this into he’ll be better than Chandler argument…
                ahahahahahaah

          • FLUXLAND

            ……

            • Lorenzo

              Love me some Louie

        • hater

          look below and youll find proof of how dumb u really are. “not as tall/long as chandler” lmao this guy,,,smdh

          • Destro

            Go suck ur mothers dick…

            • hater

              lmao dumb guy got his shit all wrong like usual and now he got nothin

              go give a knife a BJ….

              • Destro

                Is that what you recommend ?

                • hater

                  if ur not tired of dick then stik to that. wutever floats ur boat buddy lmao

        • Dan

          How is it possible to screw up facts like this? Opinions, fine, but “not as tall/long” is a flat out lie.

          • Destro

            What facts ? Tyson is taller and has a bigger body…I said he was taller Daniel…try reading friend…

            • Nilanka15

              Yahoo Sports:
              Chandler – 7’1″, 240 lbs.
              Jonas – 7’0″, 231 lbs.

              ESPN:
              Chandler – 7’1″, 240 lbs.
              Jonas – 6’11”, 231 lbs.

              Sports Illustrated:
              Chandler – 7’1″, 241 lbs.
              Jonas – 7’0″, 231 lbs.

              By all accounts, Jonas looks to be a whopping 1 inch shorter and 9 lbs. lighter than Chandler.

              In other words, the difference is not even worth debating considering the 9 year age difference.

    • ckh26

      JoVal is a pretty good size already. His listed weight is a pretty hefty 240LB, and, he is just early 20’s. He will get bigger but more importantly he will get stronger as he gets older. Tyson Chandler is also 240 and that’s the proto type for the Casey stlye.

      Howard and Bynum are in the 270 range. JoVal is unlikely to get that big. He should hold his own against the rest.

      • KJ-B

        Now, if he were 7’1″ with that skill set or closer to Big Z–he could thrive with that skill set… I just see him as a more athletic Eric Montross who’s a solid pro… Just not a very smooth player but that’s ok, he’ll get his shot blocked some and should challenge plenty on the other end…

  • alex

    Ok, I think your expectations are all reasonable, with the exception of minutes. Even if he can stay out of foul trouble no coach is going to put a rookie big through that. Jonas will have just finished the olympics, be working on his fitness/strength, and then learning the NBA game in training camp. Ed, Amir, Bargs (when Kleiza slides to the 4), will all pick up minutes at centre, along with whatever scrub we have to be the 11th man. 

  • KJ-B

    It may have had some rough patches–but from what I’ve seen of TRoss in the summer league he’ll probably be the more successful rook of the 2 and have a better career… Guys with that body type, 6’6″–6’7″ like Kobe, Vince, MJ, Pip, Ron Harper tend to eat up the NBA alive when they have a jumper to match the springs…and strong defensive will to keep the game interesting at all times on the court.

    When Jonas plays against NBA frontlines he won’t be eaten alive but I don’t know if fits the profile as much as TRoss for potential greatness–WATCH OUT Landry Fields + DeMar DeRozan

    • mountio

      I really like what I see from Ross too. I heard the Eddie Jones comparison (with a little better jumpshot) in a few broadcasts and I think its bang on. Hes lanky, but has a way of extending and getting to the rim. And, his jumpshot (particularly off one bounce) in downright sweet at times.

      • KJ-B

        ..that’s kind of why I rate him above Jeremy Lamb–the 2 inches in height which are huger than we realize, the 17 lbs + to his ‘natural frame’ over the #12 pick, as well as Lamb has a heckuva lot more talent on the floor on his summer League team–there’s probably 6-8 guys who’ll be on their roster from that Vegas squad! 

        Like CWebb cautioned, to not fall in love with rookies–but the guy has the most natural talent I’ve seen in a rook on this raptors team since Vince Carter…

    • Thetruth

      The concern with Ross was never the height, it’s his frame though. He doesn’t have the frame of  Kobe or Vince (T-Mac is not a valid comparison. He’s way taller and longer than Ross). TRoss has a skinny frame and average wingspan.

      • KJ-B

        Michael Jordan 6’6″ 200lbs for the majority of his career bud… maybe put on 10-15lbs when he started lifting with Tim Grove

        • KJ-B

          “Tim Grover”

        • Thetruth

          Dude…Michael Jordan had a 6’11 wingspan. That’s 4 inches longer than TRoss which is a huge difference. And honestly, do you even want to get into Jordan’s vertical leap? Watch a certain all star dunk contest in 1988.

          • Thetruth

            That’s not even getting into the fact that Michael Jordan had huge hands.  Phil Jackson once said that one of the greatest differences between Kobe and Jordan physically was that Jordan had huge hands for his size.

            • KJ-B

              Just talking body type man…and if you know anything about anything–you can recognize elite level footwork which allow for penetration and being able to stop on a dime to drop a j!  That’s all for now–that’s why they play the games, right?

              Good spirited exchanging of opinions! +1

            • CJT

              True, but I think Phil was talking about the locker room hand jobs.  Jordan was much better at them.

      • KJ-B

        and both Vince as well as Jordan was a year older than Ross…he’s only like what 20 in this calendar year??

      • KJ-B

        And just so you know–Michael Jordan, Eric Davis (LA Dodgers version), Edwin Moses had the highest twitch muscle reactions of anyone tested at the time–never said the dude was Jordan…he’s at the optimum height and body type, no 1’s MJ…

        • KJ-B

          I meant Cincy Reds version (messed up the order there–he went downhill then got traded to the Dodgers)

  • voy

    its not gonna be easy for the kid.  I think he has a good chance of succeeding but during the first half of the year its gonna be tough adjusting to the speed, physicality and offensive/defensive systems of the nba. 

    Really, averaging 8-10 rebs is far too optimistic an expectation.  The first half of the year should all be about learning to play in the nba.  Some nights the numbers will there.  Other nights JV will pick up 3 fouls in the first quarter.  I just want to see evidence thats he’s learning to play with the big boys as the season progresses from the first half to the season’s close.

    I really hope after a game in the first week of the season, where the raps lose and JV gets 3 points 4 rebs, 4 fouls in 15 minutes, we’re not gonna have all the maple leaf fans who think they’re basketball experts flood this site with messages of “trade jv for anything. I knew we should have picked biyombo blah, blah, blah”.

  • http://twitter.com/richardkat Richard Kat

    It would be great if you could include the reference for the posted movie photos. Just curious what they are.

    • Nilanka15

      Pulp Fiction.  Watch it over, and over, and over again.  It gets better each time 😉

      • Statement

        and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.  And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

        • Nilanka15

          Royale with cheese….

          • Seeten

            What ain’t no country I’ve ever heard of. They speak English in What?

          • CJT

            What do they call a whopper?

        • KD

          I’m pretty fucking far from “OK”.

          • ghost

            Well I’m a mushroom-cloud-laying motherfucker, motherfucker!

  • Al_Oliver

    Was that article serious? 35 minutes in a starting role and grabbing 8-10 rebounds? Wow. Time to temper those expectations… I think something like 15-20 minutes off the bench is more reasonable with Aaron Gray or Amir starting, depending on the matchup. Let’s see how Jonas does before declaring him a starter. We can adjust his minutes accordingly, depending on his production and transition to the NBA game

  • Roarque

    I see his biggest contribution being the stud defensive center that frees Andrea Bargnani to do his majic from the power forward position. For example, Jonas will be the man on the offensive boards so AB won’t be “expected” to get down and dirty in that mosh pit. 2012/13 should be the year Bargnani rises to his projected ( in certain circles) all-star status – finally!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TRPH647AXY5T5XHXI2AFSG3XHA OvertheWall

      OMG. “Bargnani rises to his all-star status”.  You have got to remove that line.  Absolutely ridiculous. 

      • Thetruth

        Umm….last I recalled, Bargnani was being considered as an All-Star this past season except it was his injury and the Raptors horrible record that got Luol Deng the nod over him. In a world where Luol Deng is considered an All-Star forward, yes Bargnani can potentially be an All-Star next year.

        • Destro

          He wasnt considered anything lol…

          • http://twitter.com/Agimat08 Solo Miranda

            ughhh…

            • Destro

              When was he considered an all star ?
              I heard NOBODY but raptor fans who love him mention it…Raps broadcasters on his dick like Rautins dont count cuz they are homers beyond anything a mother could fathom….

              WHO ELSE considered him an all star ?

    • Destro

      Put down money on it…

      Lets bet on that,dont just spew it…

      200-300 ? 

      • Thetruth

        Wow, tough job market out there huh? Can’t get a real job in the real world so now you’re trying to make a buck off the comment board.

        • Destro

          Dont deflect Tad….Put down a cash bet on some of these predictions or STFU…

          • RarO

            not allowed to say that…get off the streets and earn some real cash to aid your moms drug habits bro

            • Destro

              I own a business and 2 properties WHAT ELSE you got bitch ?

              So if you want to rent a room for you and any of ur family members hit me up,ill give you reasonable rates…

              So your confident but unwilling to put up some cash  on it which means ur not so confident and thats all i wanted to show….GOOD DAY !

              • hater

                wuts ur business? bullshit salesman? and wut properties? a cardboard box and a dumpster in the alley? lmao ur a 13 year old teenage bitch, probably sag ur jeans a lil bit wear some big ol dumass headphones listen to wayne and act hard on the internet. gtfoh u welfare ass scrub

              • RarO

                state houses don’t count and coke dealing aint business

  • Gregory Peddie

    Peddie acquisitions

    • Lorenzo

  • Malefax

    I think the posters on here are being too cautious. This guy is RIDICULOUSLY tall and long, and finishes amazingly well around the rim. He is not ‘raw’ offensively: he already has a smoother outside jumper than any Raptors forward other than Bargnani and Kleiza and he finishes around the rim better than any of them, maybe even including Bargs. This guy has been playing against grown men for three years, and the NBA is going to be much better suited to his strengths. He is going to ROCK it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins rookie of the year.

    • j bean

      +1
      Jonas has an incredible list of accomplishments that show him to rise to the occasion and excel in clutch situations in big games. I can’t knock him because his long list of MVP’s and Player of the Year’s for the last four years didn’t happen in N. America. I remember the reports of him scoring 20-30 points, even knocking down an occasional 3 and rebounding into the 20s. 
      My prediction for him is 14 and 10. 

    • Destro

      LoL !

      Epitome of a blind raptor fan..here it is folks !

  • Max

    Playing effective centre is much more than measurable stats. Centre is about freeing up team mates with good picks, clogging up the lane on defense, and winning postioning battles. If Jonas can bring these attributes better than Amir or Grey the Raps shall be better.

    • Bigmacphisto

      And unlike Grey, Jonas can actually jump. 

      • CJT

        Gray jumps.  His feet just don’t leave the court, but he jumps.

  • Jakep1979

    8 points and 8-10 rebounds should be his second year expectations.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if his first year would be 5 points and 5 rebounds per game, as a Raptor fan you should know by now about lowering your expectations.

  • CZ

    OH AND THE RAPTORS GET ANOTHER WHITE PLAYER FROM EUROPE. I have never been so shocked in my life.

    • Bigmacphisto

      And I have never been so tired of this reaction. Sarcasm or not, it’s unoriginal and lazy.

      • CZ

        I’m tired of having to use it. But until some of these players and actually step up to the plate and help the Raptors really achieve something, I have no choice but to keep using it. Most of these players (same goes for the majority of the Raptors roster) when looked at individually are not that bad. But if the GM continues to sign these European sensations and they have nothing to show for it on the court, it just looks like there’s something wrong.

        I’m all for white players, Steve Nash would have been the perfect white guy for Toronto. 

        • Bigmacphisto

          I get that you’re tired of the Raptors not achieving anything, we all are, but you can’t blame it solely on tall, white Euros. 

          Remember, Hoffa was American.

          And Garbajosa was a great pickup.

          • Nilanka15

            Wasn’t Hoffa Brazilian?

            • Bigmacphisto

              Oh right…my mistake. 

    • Dan

      Wow you’re stupid.

      • Destro

        Your contributions to this board have been less than average so far…Please try a lil harder THANKS

        • hater

          then wtf do u call wut u do? u call that contributing? wut a piece of work u are pally

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KIAOTEY4P5GOBV7E2KRRKO3RNM Chris

    Le Big Mac

    There is no way, none whatsoever that JV will play 35min a game in his first year. Think 23 minutes per game closer to reality.

  • Lorenzo

    8 and 8 in his rookie season would be phenomenal. He’s only 4 points more away from getting a max contract. *sigh*

    • KD

      Ed Davis averaged 7.7 pts and 7.1 rebounds in his rookie year. Personally, I’ll be surprised if Jonas didn’t exceed that. He should be playing a much more important role than Davis was.

  • FAQ

    No matter how you cut it, the Toronto Ratpors will not be in the NBA picture for the foreseeable future. The Ratpors are an ‘also ran’ team of perpetual development and redevelopment. 

    But hey… don’t let that stop you from being a tribal honking fantacizing fan…. and besides, real NBA teams will be visiting the ACC.

  • Bigmacphisto

    “Read the quote Arse started off with, right now BC is saying we don’t know shit and this kid is the answer to all the problems” – FLUXLAND
    You should read that quote again. “Pleased to welcome” & “worth the wait” does not equal  “answer to all of our problems” or “franchise saviour”

    • p00ka

      Welcome to the fantasy world of the Film Flam Fluxman. He invents that kind of BS all the time. Next up, he’ll likely tell you what a fool you are because you can’t read between the lines, like his genius allows. Whether that quote or otherwise, BC has never said anything of the kind, and has even been going out of his way to temper some fans’ lofty expectations.

      As a note toward expecting 35 MPG in his rookie year, Hibbert’s 1st 4 years MPG: 14,25,28,30,,,,,, Chandler’s first 4 years MPG: 19, 24, 22, 27. Not every big develops at Duncan pace.

      • FLUXLAND

        “Everybody is saying . . . ‘Excellent pick. Perhaps the best pick
        in the draft,’” Colangelo said. “This is a solid pick. Trust
        me.”

        Yeah, that’s toning it down, eh?  Really funny stuff, one year best pick, next year going out of his way to temper lofty expectations.  You are precious, little one.

        • p00ka

          So genius, in what world does “excellent pick’, “perhaps the best pick in the draft”, and “solid pick” translate to the
          “answer to all our problems” and “franchise player” that you invented? You just invent shit, then babble about as if it’s reality and real bball talk. Pathetic.

          • FLUXLAND

            You identified your problem in your previous post, no further explanation is needed.

            You don’t call someone the best pick in the draft, if you don’t think they will change your franchise’s fortunes.  You don’t draft in the top 5 to hope a player develops into something he is not or to have to wait for years for something to happen. You are only confirming your farm team status, not confirming you wanna win a chip.

            And if you are picking in the top 5 and do not believe you have a franchise player, but call him a project and tell fans to pipe down their expectations, you clearly are not drafting to improve the team, you are drafting to fill a hole – disaster move. And it also brings into question if you know what you are doing when it comes to draft.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          As soon as someone says ‘trust me’ I call BullChit- especially someone that has nothing left to show on the roster from the CB deal and is still fronting ABargnani to the TDot.lol

          • FLUXLAND

            ..is what I’m saying.

            When someone says “trust me”, all sorts of red flags should be going up.  Common f sense.

            Forget CB or Bargs. This guy’s draft record is beyond suspect, and that’s being kind. Undersized, one dimensional, wack meachanics players. All his selections are the underdog kind, because that sells to fans…especially here.

            Zarko
            Cabarkapa  anyone?

        • CJT

          FYI here is the instant analysis from the night of the draft and they were the ones who said potentially the best pick in the draft.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exd02UvivZU&feature=related
          so maybe BC was saying what he had been hearing.  Ya think?

    • FLUXLAND

      OK. Offer me an alternative. What does worth the wait mean to you after the incompetent debacle he has put out on the floor year after year.

      And I love how on one hand people are saying …oh he would have been the no 2 pick this year, but now we have to listen to how we shouldn’t expect much from a no 5 pick.

      FFS, you people are f impossible.

      You cannot have it both ways. “This is a solid pick. Trust me.”

      Worth the wait it clearly implying new and glorious heights, which of course to some/most Raptor fans in another “fight” for the 8 spot, the equivalent of the NBA Finals  in Toronto.

      • CJT

        In what world does “Solid” translate to franchise changing?  There are lots of “solid” NBA players who did not become the franchise players for their teams right?  Shane Battier, solid player not a franchise player.  As an example.

        • FLUXLAND

          First of all, let’s stop comparing American trained players with international imports. Apples and beach balls.

          Second of all, dude, he selected him 5th. 5th!!! 

          You don’t select a project at 5th, and the call him a solid pick. 

          Riddle me that.

          • CJT

            Stop changing your argument once you realize that you were wrong. 

            • FLUXLAND

              I’m not changing anything..stop running away from the topic, read my explanation of solid 3 comments above.

              You are the one that can’t explain how a project is a solid pick, or how one year we have the best pick in the draft and the next everyone needs to lower their expectations. 

          • CJT

            You mean like Tristan Thompson?  Or MKG or any of the other top prospects who have major holes in their games that need to be developed?  Come on dude.  Not many guys come out of college with out aspects of their games that are projects. 

      • never sunny in t.o.

        Yikes. You do know that you’re talking to Raptors fans here, not Bryan Colangelo, right? 

        “For Fucks Sake, you people are fucking impossible”.  ( … … really?) 

        Not sure if I’m following what the problem is exactly (other than wild, uncontainable, frothing-at-the-mouth rage at BC), but … it seems you’re blowing a gasket over whether or not our draft pick from last year is considered ‘a franchise player’ or just ‘a solid pick’. And … if I have it right, you feel that everybody owes you accountability on the subject. 

        As bizarre as that sort of is, I can’t help but still wonder … what are you going to do if it turns out that JV’s really good, after all of this? 

        I’m guessing, up your meds a bit. 

        • FLUXLAND

          Yes, really, the flip flopping back and forth based on what BC says is revolting.

          I really won’t care if he turns out really good, if it’s at the expense of the team’s success; who really cares, unless you are a fanboy of individual players. It’s a bout improving the team, not farming players.

          After all of what? FYI, my opinion is subject to change (see the handle?), you can quote me, but I reserve the right to argue later on down the road, based on new observations, whatever they may be. AND that still won’t change my opinion as they stand at this time.

          Any other idiotic questions?  

           

          • never sunny in t.o.

            Nutty as a fruitcake much? 

          • Rob

            No bumpkin, trust me *BC voice*, it’s most definitely the meds….Or lack thereof, no amount of medication, narcotic, hallucinogen or psychedelic drugs can make a person THIS stupid, and the sad thing is you still haven’t plateaued, but you’re getting there with each post submission. And I sincerely hope there is a plateau to your never-ending display of fatuity… but maybe and hopefully it’s just “for effect.” lol

            So please vociferate away, the unintentional drollery your provide on here is great for my amusement, and get back to me when you learn that “about” is actually one word, not two. lol

            • FLUXLAND

              yawn… nothing to counter with or explain the changing of tune from BC, so you start worrying about me and my typing.  Lame as usual. 

              • Rob

                Because there’s no point. You said your opinion is subject to change, that’s all well and good until you change it AFTER the fact lol. Afterwards, you take the correct side of the opinion as if it were your own all along, claiming you were right the whole time. You flipflop more than a pair of sandals, hell, you do it even more than your idol BC.

                • FLUXLAND

                  “Afterwards, you take the correct side of the opinion as if it were your
                  own all along, claiming you were right the whole time”

                  You gonna have to back that up with some quotes. That’s never happened.

                  And don’t twist what I said. Hold opinion A, facts arise to counter, hold opinion B.. that my friend is call learning. Not flip flopping, grow up.  

          • CJT

            I guess thats why you own a LeBron jersey.  Because you like the Heat.

            • FLUXLAND

               Nice comeback. Really, sad.

        • CJT

          His argument was that by BC calling him a solid pick last year, that should translate in to him being a franchise player.  Then once he realized that this was actually ridiculous he switched to the frothy mouthed BC hate that he resorts to when his statements are inevitably proven wrong.  Oh, and then he usually throws in some sort of euro statement as well.

          • FLUXLAND

            My argument is proven wrong? HAHAHAHH. Sure, now we are gong by your definition of solid player.. is that it?  I gave you the reasoning above… keep hiding and talk about me instead of the topic.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    If Val averages 5 & 5 over 82 games this season fans better take it as alot of people don’t realize that this kid isn’t currently any better than Amir, Ed nor Gray and we all know AB is going to get his frontcourt minutes so unless BC demands that Val play he could very well be sitting on the pine barring injuries if playing time is earned not given out under Casey via BC.

    It won’t be too long into the season before BC struts out his big men take 5 years to develop rhetoric on Val…time will tell.

    NY vs TDot in 15……..Vegas

    • Nilanka15

      Val isn’t currently better than Gray?  That’s out there, even for you.

      That’s like saying Tony Wroten isn’t currently better than Ben Uzoh.

      • CJT

        except the second one is true.

        • Nilanka15

          lol.  Honestly, I can’t think of a single player that Uzoh is better than.  Rick Brunson maybe…

  • d-bot

    Check the last two minutes of the Britain-Lithuania game…granted it’s Britain, but fantastic help defense, recovery defense…really quick and long.  Throughout the game he looked great on D.  Occasionally covering guards, he was able to force pass outs due to his quickness and length.  Solid on Offense, good hands in traffic.

    I didn’t see any mention of him in any of the summaries, but IMHO he’s key to the comeback in the last few minutes, (after the questionable 3 sec call, and technical)He played most of the 1st half, and sat 3rd & a bit of 4rth.  Britain – Lithuania olympic warm-up:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8U8M8I7wA 

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    http://basketball.realgm.com/article/222497/20126) Toronto Raptors — They are going to have almost an entirely new team this season, as Kyle Lowry, Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross will have a chance to form a Big Three of their own up north. Since Chris Bosh’s departure, the Raptors have been one of the most brutal teams in the NBA, but things are finally pointed in the right direction.

  • Guest

    Are you drunk?
    He has an offensive game, plays aren’t really run for him though.  He rolls hard and has hands to catch in the lane and often goes to the foul line–where he shoots pretty well for a big fella.  he has a quickly developing hook and has a good foundation for a raw mid range game.

    nonetheless, it’s good to be a Raps fan right now

  • FAQ

    OK…. how many new players will be starting for the Raps…???!!!!!!

  • iBall

    So how many new players will be on the Raptor’s starting line-up?

  • Vita2444

    you are a dumb ass

  • raptorsdd10

    Bargnani is going to be the one who benefits the most by JVals arrival..Bargs will get 22 and 7 this year…still hoping the raps can get iggy
     

  • http://twitter.com/ignasbernotas Iggy Bernotas

    you guys are all arguing like children…when in reality i have followed jonas since he played in the 2nd league in lithuania even before lietuvos rytas and he is going to be a hustler and tough player that will make any team better for it..he doesn’t demand the ball or even need it to be affective…he impacts the game in every way possible on the court and will push the raptors into playoff contention…btw did you notice donatas motiejunas talking about how in europe they beat the shit out of him…yeah exactly the nba is not as physical as europe its only that the players are more athletic which means little because jonas will and has destroyed anyone in his way…