Paul Mill3ap – Daggers

Jazz 140, Raptors 133, 3OT – Box

Well that was a hell of a ride, wasn’t it? At different times, victory seemed assured, and at others, defeat certain. But the tides kept turning, over and over, taking us on a 63-minute roller coaster ride that probably left you exhausted and disappointed.

The toughest part to swallow is that, with a full lineup, the Raptors fate may have been better. After all, despite Jose Calderon playing a great game, Kyle Lowry certainly would have added an extra element, perhaps putting his foot down when the Jazz made their comeback run late in the fourth. In addition, with Alan Anderson and Landry Fields out, neither huge losses on their own, Dominic McGuire was forced to play 33 minutes, including most of the overtime periods.

As it is though, every team deals with injuries and nobody is going to feel sorry for you, especially with only one legitimate NBA starter missing. And for three quarters, it didn’t look like it really mattered.

Through the first quarter, the Raptors led 28-26 thanks to early scoring bursts from DeMar DeRozan (six), Andrea Bargnani (10) and Jonas Valanciunas (eight), the latter on perfect shooting from the field. With seven assists on just nine field goals and only two turnovers to boot, the Raptors offense was operating in high gear. Unfortunately, the Jazz also shot 56% for the frame and had a major rebounding advantage, giving them extra possessions to work with to keep the game close.

In the second quarter, the Raptors managed to extend the lead to five, ending the half at 57-52. While the shooting cooled ever so slightly, the team kept getting to the line (14 trips in the half) and picked up the effort on the offensive glass, grabbing five offensive rebounds in the quarter. Calderon pushed his assist total to eight at the half, while Linas Kleiza chipped in off the bench to score 17 points in the quarter on six of 10 shooting. As odd as it sometimes sounds outside the context of international ball, Kleiza really took over and looked like a dominant offensive threat. He’s had stretches like this before, though, and it wouldn’t last. Of course, he’s also not a top-notch defender, and the Raptors as a team continued to struggle on that end, with the Jazz shooting 51% at half-time.

In the third, the Raptors had to fight to maintain their lead, barely holding on to it and fighting to a draw for the quarter. The Raptors had a handful of poor defensive rotations that had coach Dwane Casey going zone for small stretches, even against a Williams-Foye-Hayward lineup that has talent from long range. Instead, the Jazz started working their interior advantage, getting Paul Millsap, Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors more involved. The Jazz took 17 trips to the line in the quarter, including a handful of attempts from Foye, who got hot and scored 13. Offensively, Kleiza lost his touch and, despite a spry start to the quarter, Bargnani’s play tapered off pretty quickly. Instead the scoring burden was left to DeRozan, who attacked with vigor and got hot from mid-range, leading to 12 in the quarter, and Amir Johnson, who finished a pair of Calderon passes for big jams to keep the crowd alive.

In the fourth, the Raptors simply had to maintain their level of play to send the crowd home happy, having won or tied each quarter (which was so very important to Leo Rautins on the broadcast). Ed Davis came up big with five rebounds in the quarter, providing the Raptors with their first rebounding advantage and a few extra possessions, while DeRozan also stayed hot and had 27-7-6 by the end of regulation, all marks nearing in on his career highs (37-10-7, respectively). Instead, the disappearance of Bargnani and the curious benching of Valanciunas gave the Jazz further opportunity to leverage their frontcourt advantage, which they used to narrow the lead to within striking distance late.

With the Raptors leading by five with 70 seconds to go, Mo Williams hit a mid-range jumper to make it a one-possession game. Bargnani then missed a hook shot which led to a wild scramble of bodies hitting the floor, with the ball eventually emerging with Millsap on a breakaway, making it a one-point game. Amir would get a put-back layup off a DeRozan miss to extend the lead back to three, which is where Casey made a boneheaded decision that may or may not have cost the Raptors the game (you can never claim one play or decision was all that mattered).

With 16 seconds remaining and up three, McGuire forced a Williams miss from deep, but Utah got the rebound. The correct play here is to foul the ball-handler, sending the Jazz to the line for two shots. As long as you avoid a player in shooting motion from outside the arc (e.g. a foul on the floor), the Jazz can only get two points at a maximum, and again have to try and foul and score, taking more time off the clock. If you don’t think this is the right play, put yourself in Utah’s shoes and imagine how frustrated you’d be being sent to the line for two when you’re down three late.

Instead, the Raptors allowed Al Jefferson to hit a three to tie the game. Of course, Jefferson was one-for-25 in his career prior to this, so maybe you can’t blame them for letting him take it. With two seconds left, Calderon’s inbounds was deflected and Terrence Ross unfairly gets credited with a missed attempt trying to fling a hail mary.

104-104, and we head to overtime.

In the overtime frame, the teams traded baskets, with the Jazz even taking their first lead of the game. Things looked bad after Mill3ap hit from long range, but some nice work on the boards by Amir and some active hands by Bargnani on defense (no joke) helped keep the Raptors in it. With 23 seconds left, DeRozan apparently decided it was over, driving the lane and throwing down a monster jam to take the lead, but Al Jefferson quickly tied it up thanks to some poor Raptor defense. DeRozan got a chance late but missed a wild turnaround from an isolation, a play where he absolutely should have driven to the rim given his success in doing so thus far (although he was being treated criminally by the referees – he really could have and should have had 20 free throw attempts given his aggression and the amount of contact he faced).

115-115, and we head to a second overtime.

Mill3ap was at it again from distance, and the Raptors trailed by three with two minutes left and Kleiza fouled out (in the first overtime), meaning McGuire was on the floor for key offensive possessions. Amir was left with nobody to pass to on one play and had to throw up an ugly hook shot, and things looked bleak. Instead, Calderon managed a steal and sent McGuire on the break, only for Foye to make a great hustle play and strip the ball out of bounds. Calderon would then force a pass to Amir that got picked off, and Amir fouled out trying to recover the ball. After DeRozan got to the line and the Jazz extended the lead back to three, the Raptors had just 11 seconds left and brought in an ice-cold, I-was-shooting-8%-coming-in-to-this-game John Lucas, who, to steal a pun from Leigh Ellis of the Basketball Jones, hit the III (John Lucas for III, get it?).

125-125, and it’s time for a third overtime.

Aaron Gray is now your center, having played eight seconds up to this point. Jefferson went to work on him and got four quick points, which DeRozan tried to answer by…wait, jacking threes repeatedly? Yup. To this point, or maybe until the end of the first overtime, DeRozan was playing what might have been the best game of his career. But as he crossed the 50-minute mark (he would finish with 60), his desire to drive waned and his shot selection became very poor, making his final line look inefficient despite him playing four-plus very strong quarters. Anyway, after Gray threw the ball as hard as he could off the back of the rim on a pick-and-roll, Mill3ap struck again and the Raptors were stuck four. A few more DeRozan misses, and you have your ballgame. 140-133 Jazz.

The Raptors really did play well given the circumstances, and you can’t fault anyone except for Bargnani and Casey for the loss. Calderon played a really strong 50 minutes and hung in their defensively, finishing with 20 points and 17 assists, while as mentioned DeRozan had 37-8-6, and only some late struggles hurt that line by extending it to 33 field goal attempts and five turnovers. Kleiza carried the second single-handedly, and the Ahmed Johnson Frankenstein Bench Big Monster combined for 15 points and 23 rebounds in 56 minutes.

Really, Casey’s curious decision to play an ice-cold (because he’s a corpse) Gray over a productive Davis and a semi-productive Valanciunas (he was strong offensively but struggled on defense at times), and his decision not to foul at the end of regulation were my only real issues. You can certainly argue against McGuire playing 33 minutes, including important offensive possessions, but I think Casey would argue that Ross wasn’t ready to enter a game cold and play meaningful possessions. I guess that’s fair, although you’d question why with so many injuries he hasn’t been afforded more opportunity. But I digress.

Bargnani was bad. He occasionally picked things up defensively, and started each half off looking to be “the man,” but his energy levels and give-a-damn meter both seemed to sputter after a few minutes. Not a shining night for the man who is supposed to carry the load with Lowry out. He’s now taken 113 field goal attempts and scored just 122 points, which is about as inefficient and high-volume as you can get this side of Jordan Crawford.

Anyway, this is nearing 2,000 words and I’m sure most of you actually watched the game or found a shorter recap. So I apologize, but more basketball (15 minutes free!) means even more free analysis. The Raptors are going to be exhausted heading into tonight’s contest in Indiana against a Pacer team that already beat them once under better circumstances (full roster, at home, non-travel day). And so am I.


  • Canadian Paul

    I was at the game, and the ONLY stretch of good defence was made when Amir and Ed were the C/PF. The second Bargnani checked back in, I knew the Jazz would be back. Calderon + Bargnani defending the pick-and-roll = disaster. EVERY TIME.

    • cesco

       Davis played 17 minutes and had a +/- of -7 . Andrea played 48 minutes and had a +/- of +1 , the only player that played over 14 minutes with a positive +/- . Game after game , Davis has a negative +/- and this has been going on for two years . The Raps cannot outscore the opposition when Davis is on the floor ( mostly with and against the second unit ) as simple as that . The proof is in the pudding isn’t it ? .

      • Theswirsky

        “The proof is in the pudding isn’t it ”

        so how do you justify having supported Bargnani with his historically negative +/-? 

        For the last 3 yers Amir has had a superior +/-, shouldn’t he be starting over Bargnani?

        Its that simple…. isn’t it?

        • cesco

           Amir draws too many fouls , cannot spread the floor and is VERY GOOD , with the wear and tear of a 82 games season , if his minutes are limited . I specifically mentioned Davis because of his rebounding high numbers which makes many people here think that he should be given more minutes . The proof is in the pudding why he is not getting those minutes .

          • Destro

            You’re an incompetent fan and viewer…

          • Theswirsky

            hardly matters.  Amir has a historic better +/- and Andrea  historically worse.  So if +/- is useful as proof, why isn’t that proof of who should and shouldn’t have seen more minutes over the years and going forward?

            You can’t have your cake and eat it to.  If you want to use such an isolated statistics as +/- on a small sample because it happens to conviently suit Bargnani right now, you need to realize its also evidence of how this team has mistakenly used Bargnani over the years 

            • cesco

               There are many stats where Amir looks better than Andrea . There are to be also many reasons why Amir is not considered starting material except in an emergency . I still believe that the Raps are missing that winger who can spread the floor and can score threes ( and is good defensively , not a Kapono ) . If they could find such a rare beast then Andrea becomes expendable .

              • Theswirsky

                “There are many stats where Amir looks better than Andrea . There are to be also many reasons why Amir is not considered starting material except in an emergency ”

                so what your saying is the proof is not in the pudding and its not “as simple as that”?

              • Destro

                You dont need any particular player to know Bargnani hurts this team and is expendable,hes expendable NOW without adding ANYONE….

                37 % shooting and 5 rebounds from a big man is expendable any way you slice it…

          • Jamshid

            When ever Amir show me the ability to put good performance in 5 games in a row, then I will count on him. So far, the man plays 1-2 or 3 good games and mails in the next 5 !!! Till the end, his A** is over paid and belongs to the bench.

      • Afimi Sinting

        The raps cannot defend when Dirk is on the floor. The proof is in the pasta isn’t it ?

        • cesco

          Unfortunately , he is not the only poor defender they have . So the blame is spread out . Remember how Dallas , with Dirk leading them , finally won a championship only when they found a quality defensive center ? . On a smaller scale it also applies to the Raps ( until JV mature ) .

          • RaptorFan

            STFU!! Don’t compare AB to DIRK ever again!  Dirk actually plays some defence and grabs boards and is as clutch as they come…… silly fanboy

        • KJ-B

          Don’t insult the name of MVP/Playoff MVP/NBA Champion Dirk Nowitzki any further… THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE.

      • Copywryter

        We lose with ED on the floor. We lose with Bargs on the floor. It doesn’t really matter who we put out there. It just changes the way we lose. The most important stat is that our GM has had a negative +/- since he got here. 

        • Nilanka15

          Rap of the day.

          • Destro

            Ed Davis is not given minutes to make an accusation…When you give Ed Davis a fckn chance to play then you can determine if you can win with him…

            • Nilanka15

              You could play Davis 45 minutes, and it won’t make much difference at all.  This team still stinks. 

              • Destro

                Oh ok so because the personnel sucks we’ll just continue to trout out faggits that dont do there jobs and dont even try,hell why give em a shot to play since were losing anyway…

                foh

                • Nilanka15

                  You said: “Ed Davis is not given minutes to make an accusation…When you give Ed
                  Davis a fckn chance to play then you can determine if you can win with
                  him…”

                  I’m saying:  Whether you give Davis a chance or not won’t make a difference at all.  Davis is not a saviour.  This team has far too many holes as presently constructed to overcome. 

                  This is not an endorsement of Bargnani.  Please stop replying as if it is.

                • Destro

                  It is an endorsement as long as you lose sight of the argument being made….fckthis team losing i been seen it….how about we give players doing there jobs and husslin a chance to play out there….

                  BY sweeping that out into “whjo cares were losing anyway” is a halfway endorsement just by disregarding it…

                • Nilanka15

                  Ugh, argument for the sake of argument.

                  You’re talking about which players warrant playing time.

                  This thread is not discussing that, and is instead referring to the state of the franchise..

                • cesco

                  For the past two years ( since Bosh quit ) the Raps have a better record when Andrea played . Do you think for a minute that Andrea will still be around if that was not true ? . He would have been amnestied by now to provide more room under the cap for a major acquisition .

                • Destro

                  Its a losing record….Andrea is here because he makes 10 mil per season and you will not get any value on that in the trade market IE nobody wants him or will give up anything of value for him….Somebody that considers him a 6th man isnt going to give you a star player for him… 

                • Afimi Sinting

                  CES you don’t really believe that, come on

                • Afime Sinting

                  they like the city and thay also want to be here,ask DIRK or o’lay they will tell you they want to be here and thats all high coller wants to hear before he lets it rain on them

                • Nilanka15

                  What about your boy, Gary Forbes?

                • Afimi Sinting

                  no DD is doing fine,i like hearing you praise him it brings tears of joy to may heart …i like my root beer nice and cold please and thank you.

                • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

                   Why in hell do you keep up with that comment?

                • Afimi Sinting

                  relax

        • Destro

          it DOES matter…One guy will defend and rebound the other guy doesnt…You honestly have to sub offense for defense in close games…..

        • FLUXLAND

          Some of our resident bball experts believe line up changes will bring about different results to this club, without realizing they are rotating tires on a 1988 Yugo and entering it into a race full of Ferraris.

          But hey, if it has the paint job you like, (Jose/KL/whoever) honk away THF, honk away.

          • FAQ

            Ditto … and it’s a matter of overall athleticism… both physical and mental.  Will they ever jell if they are in constant ‘development’ mode?

            • FLUXLAND

              I think to claim something is developing, one would have to see actual development…I don’t see who’s developed in any way shape or form during the BC regime.  (I personally don’t call becoming below average as development of any sort)

              • hater

                thats the case with u not developing. born out of the womb as a retard and remain a retard

      • Destro

        You are worse than espn when it comes to creating stats to fit your agenda….You’re calculating +/- over an arbitrary time window that suits your argument…

        +/- is an irrelevant stat,id see why you’d wanna use it tho over relevant stats,because lets face it relevant stats dont exactly shed positive light on your man…Heres the real proof in the pudding :

        37 % FG(worst of all NBA C,PFs) 5 RPG, 0.7 BPG

        You’re fooling nobody…  

        • Afimi Sinting

          I think you mean FOX NEWS/KARL ROVE

      • Canadian Paul

        I said Amir AND Ed TOGETHER. Now, young man, go re-calculate that +/- .

        • cesco

           Oh boy , check the NBA.com +/- stats , Amir and Ed as a two men combination are not in the top 50 Raps two men combinations either last year or this year . In both years the Amir/Andrea combination is #1 , Amir/Ed nowhere to be seen . Please tell me where you get your information , I must be missing something .

    • Destro

      I said this on about 6 diff raptor forums,Calderowned and Bargs are hideous pick and roll defenders,they were getting cooked all night by Mo Williams…Poor coaching comes into play when you dont sub them out for defense at end of games you almost HAVE too…

    • Jamshid

      Where is Tom Liston to tell us Amir is the most efficient offensive weapon in this Raptor team :0

  • Navin Gangadin

    Absolutely agree with Canadian Paul’s description.  The Jazz ran the same play over and over in OT and it constantly caused problems.  Pick Calderone, go around  Bargnani’s terrible hedge and get into the lane.

    While Calderone’s defense was just as bad as ABs, at least he was working on the offensive end.  Bargnani sat at the three point line, didn’t move and took poor shots.  When he took the ‘fake-jab-fade’ 3 attempt in the first OT, it seemed to me that the rest of the Raptors decided they would no longer pass him the ball.  I don’t know why Casey left him in when he had negative contributions.

    As some others have mentioned, I wonder if its a conditioning thing with him, he’s just so slow and immobile at the end of games.

    • Destro

      No its a lazy thing…

    • WhiteVegas

      Bargs looked really tired to me. He played over 48 minutes. Obviously he can’t handle that much.

  • Afimi Sinting

    Dirk had 10 points I think at the end of the first quarter and i’m thinking he’s going to end up with around 30+ points boy was i wrong

  • PBJake

    Loss aside, I think the Raptors played a completely different side of basketball this game. On the offence, there played fast and decisive. It was a joy to watch this team drain shots after shots, for at least 5 quarters, without any of the shooting droughts that the team’s been going through recently. It also seems like the team gets its defensive fire from its offense. I think by the 6th quarter, the players kind of just gave up. 
    But if they can play 4 quarters the way they did last night, I think we’ll be fine in the long run.
    Oh and tonight is going to be a looong night for the Raptors.

    • Copywryter

      I don’t know if we’ll be ‘fine’. But we’ll beat below-average teams at least some of the time and above-average teams once in a while. We’ll flirt with a bubble playoff birth, just miss it due to injury or bad calls from the refs or rancid pasta and tribals will beat next year’s improvement drum like they were masturbating teens.

      Pretty much on par with the post-Bosh era.  

      • FAQ

        … but it’s still a team under development while everybody is trashing them to destruction.  Morontonians all … sheesh.

  • Nilanka15

    How many more kicks to the groin can this fanbase endure?

    • cesco

       Think positive , if it goes on like this , BC and Andrea will be gone by the end of the season which will make a huge section of the fan base happy . It will take a while before new scapegoats are found .

      • Nilanka15

        [Single tear rolling down my face]

        Whatever happens, my old message board sparring partner, your balancing passion for a single player will be missed (eventually) 😉

        • cesco

           I am as depressed as you are . If it is going to work better with Andrea as the 6th man ( instant offense , playing fewer minutes and getting less tired ) he will not resent it . It is up to the coach , not BC , to make the change .

      • FLUXLAND

        Well, if there’s one thing we can count on, it’s roster turnover and new scapegoats. Polarizing the fan base with his selection of players since 2006 – BC.

        • FAQ

          I sometimes wonder how many decent FA’s rejected BC’s overtures over the years to join the Raptors.  We know Nash is one of them. What can BC do except throw money at them?

          I suspect most of the bro’s don’t want to play for a Canadian team and live in Toronto which is foreign to their US lifestyle.  Why do you think Raptors have a lot of Euros?!

          • The Truth

             I suspect just as big an issue is the fact that the franchise is historically pretty bad and shows no signs of changing its ways, chicken and egg thing.

            There are plenty of teams in the US that aren’t big free agent destinations either for the same reason.

          • FLUXLAND

            Rumor has it Marcus Banks and Rasual Butler may be playing in Europe – you have to give BC credit for recognizing that Euro talent in the North American players.
            The man is a genius.

            BC has to throw money because he can’t claim culture, winning history, the coaching staff, climate, etc. as reasons one should play here.

            X legit player: Tell me Bryan, why should I play here?

            BC: Errrr….OK, you got me! How much do you want?

    • sitnonDfence

      The raptors fan base should get charged for flopping, gets hit in the thigh and drops as if it was a sledge hammer to the balls.

      • Nilanka15

        17 years and 1 playoff round victory.  You call that a hit on the thigh.  I call it being slowly skinned alive.

  • Nilanka15

    That was by far DeRozan’s best game of his career.  As mentioned, the shot selection late was questionable, but I don’t blame him too much considering the heavy minutes, and the blatant swallowing of whistles by the refs.

    • Destro

      Yes the 60 minutes thing but also lets be real who else is supposed to take those shots..yea some looks were ill advised but would you rather Dominic McGuire were taking some of them ? Despite going cold in OT he still shot 48% for the game….

      • Nilanka15

        I’d rather Ross play ALL of McGuire’s minutes, but hey, we might’ve lost the game that way, lol.

        • Destro

          Nah McGuire made some good defensive plays…Hes the only guy with size we can rotate on Mo Williams when he was cooking Jose….Just dont count on him giving you any offense in OT…

    • Afimi Sinting

      WOW DD GOT YOU SUCKING HIM OFF AND I LIKE IT

  • Nilanka15

    In the 4th quarter and OT, how many wide open looks did Millsap have thanks to our supposed “best defender” (McGuire) thinking it would be a good idea to help from the wing on dribble penetration?

    • Destro

      Ummm they were getting those wide open 3s because of Jose and AB’s inability to guard the pick and roll….

      • Nilanka15

        In hindsight, had McGuire stayed home, we would’ve given up 2s instead of 3s.

        Yes Calderon and Bargnani were defending the PNR, but when you’re sole job is to defend, it’s probably best that McGuire actually do what’s asked.

        • Destro

          What game were you watching ? Stay at home on who ? Mo Williams ? Who was hitting 3s at will ?

          Sure

          • Nilanka15

            You don’t remember some guy named Millsap hitting wide open 3 after wide open 3?  What game were YOU watching?

            • Destro

              Yes because bargs and calderon werent defending the PnR,allowing Mo to drive the lane and dish to MIllsap,pls just stop…

              • Nilanka15

                I already acknowledge the Bargnani/Calderon PNR coverage.  Why bring it up again?

                Mo scoring layups on Calderon is better than Millsap hitting 3s, isn’t it?

                Your reluctance to blame anyone not named Calderon or Bargnani, is quite amusing.

                • Lorenzo

                   Destro’s a fucking retard, and clearly biased. And when I say bias, I’m not talking basketball bias… I’ll let you figure that one out… smh..

                • hater

                  just say it. a racist fk

  • Daniel

    Heartbreaking loss. I have only 2 comments:
    1. we need (among other things) a 3-point threat on the court at SF at all times the worst way. When Kleiza was on, we ran multiple PnR and PnP that generated open looks inside and room for Demar to operate mid-post. When Kleiza got 6 fouls our offense became stagnant and we played 1-on-1 b-ball. I couldn’t see any discernible advantage having McGuire on the court, either offensively or defensively. I understand we are short-handed at SF however I would have played Ross more.
    2. both Jose and Andrea are below-average defenders. There is an important difference though: Jose is trying his best to defend, he just doesn’t have the physical tools to execute solid defence. Andrea is a spectator when the play is developing away from his man. All the time one can see Jose rotating to the big in the paint whereas Andrea is standing on the perimeter or free throw line. Recently I’ve noticed Demar doing proepr rotations away from his man which he didn’t do before. Both seem to understand the defensive principles however Andrea still has no clue regarding defensive positioning and defensive rotations. I can’t figure out an explanation why after 7 seasons a player hasn’t acquired the proper practical skills when he has the physical tools to do it: he’s agile, has good defensive stance. It’s really a shame considering his offensive skillset. This team will go as far as Andrea will take it however he needs to get much better defensively.

    • Nilanka15

      “Andrea still has no clue regarding defensive positioning and defensive
      rotations. I can’t figure out an explanation why after 7 seasons a
      player hasn’t acquired the proper practical skills when he has the
      physical tools to do it”

      It’s either laziness, lack of basketball IQ, or heaven forbid a combination of both.  Either way, it doesn’t paint a good picture for one of our “core” (quotation marks HEAVILY emphasized) players.

    • pran

      he doesn’t have the mindset to help. that and his peripheral vision sucks.

    • FAQ

      Have you ever considered that Bargs is demoralized playing for the Raptors, and would welcome being traded?  Maybe he’s depressed psychologically having to endure the slo-motion destruction of the Raptor franchise.. all because the bro’s who are any good don’t want to play and live in Toronto, Canada.

      BC is forced to throw money at US players to stay… so obvious.

      • Nilanka15

        Have you ever considered that playing with Bargs has demoralized the Raptors?

        • FAQ

          You can say that about the other Raptor veterans… Jose.. DD.. Amir …. not exactly solid NBA bodies and minds.  Toronto lacks solid NBA players… and that’s why it has  so many Euros.

          Maybe the franchise should be sold to …. London?.. Paris??.. Moscow???

          • Nilanka15

            It’s hard to tell if your posts are serious, meant to elicit thinking, or completely for jokes.

            Either way, I assume you type while winking.  Any replies you get from me are just for shits & giggles.

          • FLUXLAND

            How about:

             http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/va-beach-quietly-pursuing-nba-team-arena

      • pran

        what a faggot you are. this site is called RAPTORS republic not bargnani republic. stop trashing the raptors just so you can give your boy bargs a handjob (that’s the shit I don’t like) get the fuck outta here with that bs.

  • FLUXLAND

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your Phoronto Rapsuns. 

    (BC is in his office putting up a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner.)

    • Nilanka15

       Bahahaaaa!

      I could totally picture Colangelo in his office high-fiving Stefanski and co., completely oblivious as to how “accomplishments” should be defined.

    • sleepz

      Flux, believe your a Lakers guy no?

      Any thoughts on Brown to D’Antoni?

      • 2damkule

        pretty sure flux is still trying to find pieces of his brain, as i’m guessing his head exploded with the d’antoni hire. 

        the lakers will be fine – just too much talent to continue to flounder – but it’s been about as bad a start for flux as one could imagine…he doesn’t even have nash to blame for the bad start.  and since there’s no doubt that they’ll improve either right away (simply due to talent) or when nash returns, or when d’antoni arrives, it still means he’ll have to parcel some credit away from kobe to one of those two…WORST THING EVER!!!

        • sleepz

          lol, my main concern about that situation is how that squad plays in the playoffs. We’ve seen D’Antoni ball and it’s pg centric. I am anxious to see how they defend. Howard helps tremendously but I’m not quite sold on this team (yet) nor the coach.

          The talent speaks for itself but I’m hearing Gasol trade rumours and now D’Antoni is taking over….it just is a little unsettling so early in the season. Should be interesting to see how things go down.

          • FLUXLAND

            The only concern anyone should have is how the RnG runs players into the ground. Ever wonder why Nash looks like he’s 50 and gets wrapped up like a Michelin man? Taxing on the body.

            The LakeShow is not young by any means, I don’t get this at all.

            Not the mention the game slows down to a screeching halt in the playoffs and like you said – how well has D’Antoni done during the real season?  

        • FLUXLAND

          Huh?  When I have claimed this is not a team sport? I think you are reading too much RR and assume everyone is a fanboy.

          Like I explained to you in the Nash signing post, I blame the people in charge, not the players. Just like I do around here.

          Novel concept I know. You are the kind of guy that gets his coffee f up at TH and flip out on the teenager behind the counter, while I wonder who’s the moron that hired him to begin with – that’s the guy that need to be “blamed”.

          • 2damkule

            chill…my post was intended as tongue-in-cheek.  i know you’re not the biggest fan of the style of play endorsed by d’antoni, and i know you’ve never been a big fan of nash, so i was just tweaking you a bit.

            and i don’t drink coffee….

            • FLUXLAND

              Roger that.

              Lately you’ve had a thin line between jabbing and serious…I wasn’t quite sure how to take that.

              My bad.

      • FLUXLAND

        My thoughts are somewhere around F U Jimmy!

        Once Kobe retires Jimmy will finally be able to Dolan the franchise into the ground.

        And once Riles is done the entire L will be beyond diluted and run by amateurs.

        • p00ka

          I’ve noticed you sporting a Lakers jersey, but didn’t know you are a Kobe dickrider. That explains a lot.

  • Nilanka15

    BTW Blake, that’s serious serious Photoshop skills you’ve got there.  The comedic value did not go unnoticed 😉

    • BlakeMurphy

      I am nothing if not an artist.

  • 511

    Hated to lose that one as much as anyone. But I see progress. If the refs call a fair and proper game, it’s ours and conversations around here are a lot different. Old and tired lament, yes … but doesn’t make it any less true. 

  • hateslosing

    This was disappointing. I will say that Andrea’s defense in over time was not as bad as is being made out here, he did what he is supposed to in this system which is hedge hard and recover before his man gets the ball off the roll. Where we really got hurt tonight was in Amir and Gray’s inability to slow down Millsap.

    I’m getting concerned Casey does not want to play the young guys. Jonas and Ed Davis were both playing pretty well and should have been there ahead of Gray. Silly decision by Casey.

    Positive: Great game from Derozen. I was a little confused that we ran basically the same play twice at the end of the first overtime, low screen by Bargs for Derozen then he curls out to get the pass from Jose and we iso. Might have been better to change it up.  

  • Slap Dog Hoops

    That was an excellent game win or lose.  The Raptors dug their heels in and did not give up until the very end.  That game just showed how much the team has improved in terms of their tenacity and effort.  If they continue to play like that, I can only see good things happening for this team.

  • NyAlesund

    When you have AB plays bad is correct to bench him. Unfortunately this team doesn’t have a decent PF able to create a own shot or at least to be a threat offensively.
    Ed Davis and Amir Johnson are role players not more than this.

    Hence, the solution is trade him, adding a talented player or hope that him starting to play well. The third option is pretty/quite impossible.

    • OvertheWall

      That’s right, AB is dead to me.  Trade please!!!  Of course, we all know it ain’t happening.  Btw, I would probably take Kwame Brown at this point over AB.  HA!

      • Afimi Sinting

        I hear the pooka police coming, watch what you say

    • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

       Casey could play Acy when Bargs is shitting it. I think Acy’s hustle might inspire Bargs a bit if their playing time was somewhat reciprocal to their effort level. Acy can jump higher than Bargnani anyway. And he might get an inspiring dunk every now and then. When he dunks, it is usually something to admire.

      • NyAlesund

        No one inspire AB.
        He is struggling expecially in the fourth quarter when he looks like tired. I don’t know why, but it happend every time this year. First quarter good the last one horrible. The years before he wasn’t really effective down the stretch but at least he looked like healthy.

  • cesco

    What is very interesting would be the comments on this site if in the last 16 seconds of the fourth quarter , Andrea had not been replaced by Davis . He and Casey would have been hanged by the mob here ( assuming a three would have been scored ) . Strange that the same mob keep quit about those 16 seconds . There are two different measures by the pseudo experts isn’t there ? . And then the word ‘hate’ is not to be used .

    • Canadian Paul

       You cannot accuse or exonerate a player based on ONE play. It’s a body of work. 7 years and we’re still talking about the same things. Bargnani, at best, is a sixth or seventh man, not your main bread and butter. Dude is supposed to be an offensive juggernaut, but has never shot over 0.500 in his entire career. EVER.

      Add to that his negative contribution defensively, and now you know where most non-blind fans stand.

      • cesco

         If Andrea is at best a sixth or seventh man then Davis is not a NBA player . I am glad that question has been resolved .

  • Destro

    Ifs hold no weight in reality friend….

    You deperately try to re-create events but Andrea missed 2 clutcho shots at the end of the 4th was cooked on PnR D all night and shot 37 %

    Its almost funny you feel the need to defend incompetence,friend !

  • Destro

    LOWEST PER :

    Amir Johnson
    Jose Calderon
    Demar Derozan
    Ed Davis
    Linas Kleiza
    Jonas Valanciunas

    Andrea Bargnani  13.65

    HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

    • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

       I agree. Criticism of Bargnani is way overblown on this site. I think he’d be a starter or a sixth man on most teams. People key in on him so much and every time his cover scores it’s held up as yet another example of his total defensive ineptitude. But even the best players get scored on several times each game. It’s frickin’ basketball people! Mostly, Bargs gives pretty good bother to his cover. His main problem, I think, is that he never jumps more than two inches of the floor when contesting a shot. I am really stumped as to why not. Yeah, he’s pretty soft on help too, but we don’t want him fouling out, do we? Anyway, I often focus on him when watching a game and conclude that he is generally not that bad at defensive positioning. He should just try to anticipate and jump better. Maybe he’s scared of getting blown by, but I think the other shooters in the league have learned now that he’s a seven-footer who is easier to shoot over than most 6-9 players. I doubt they’d still try to go around him, and he’s pretty quick laterally anyway.

      • Nilanka15

        This is not what Destro was saying.  His PER rankings above are in reverse order.  Bargnani has the 7th worst PER on the team (8th worst if you include Lowry’s team-leading 30.5).

        • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

           Well, 13.6 on a bad team is not that bad!

          • Nilanka15

            League average is 15.0

            • p00ka

              I’m no fan of judging players from stats, so know precious little about evaluating PER, however I wonder about it’s relevance, when I see that:

              1. Amir’s and Javale McGee’s is higher than Irving, Rondo, Westbrook, M.Gasol, Horford, KG, Pierce, Griffin, etc.

              AND

              2. That 13.6 of ABs is higher than Ginobli(13.30, Paul George(13.26), Hibbert, Gallinari (10.58), Josh Smith (10.36), etc.

              fk Josh Smith, who everybody here clamors for, has a PER of 10.36!!! He must be way below ABs value?

              • 2damkule

                sample size, friend.

                btw, PER is flawed as a tool mainly because it fails to properly assign value for defense…yes, it includes steals & blocks & rebounds as metrics, but it is generally an offensive-oriented statistic.  all of which is a long way of saying that for a player who brings ONLY offense to the table, a PER like that is pretty gawd-awful (and i’m not referring only to this year’s, but bargs’ PER over the course of his career).

                • p00ka

                  I wasn’t the one using the sample size to prove an argument. I was responding to the use of that sample size to question it’s relevance.

                  If it includes blocks/steals/rebounds, how is it primarily an offensive stat? These are the other things that should raise Josh Smith far above AB, right? Yet he’s way below.

                  Stats are for nerds

                • Nilanka15

                  To account for the small sample size, Bargnani’s career PER is 14.6

                  Josh Smith’s is 18.4

    • cesco

       The PER is an advance stat ( obtained using a formula developed by a nitwit ) . Last year Andrea started strong and he ended up the year with a PER of 18 , the best among the Raptors I believe .This year he started slow , we will see what happen to his PER as the season progress . Of course when Lowry return and Andrea becomes a watcher on the offense ( until next Lowry injury) , who knows what will happen .

      • 2damkule

        that nitwit watches (read: analyzes) more ball in a normal weekend than you’ve likely watched in your life, so maybe you should take a breath before putting fingers to keyboard.  hollinger get’s criticized for PER, and it’s surely not flawless, but he actually has a valid perspective on basketball (at least as valid as any other pundit), whether you like his conclusions or not.

        as for andrea being a ‘watcher’ when playing with lowry…wtf was he last night?  that game was HIS for the taking, and he was more than willing to let himself become a bystander, on both ends.  and the sad part is, there can’t be a raptor fan who was the least bit surprised by it.

    • hater

      dummy normally ur the 1 trashing advanced stats and now ur usin it to support ur argument. wut a dumb fuck you are

      • p00ka

        hahahahaha, he flip flops all over the place to suit whatever argument he’s trying to make at the time.

  • Statement

    I’m not the biggest Demar fan (though he is beginning to win me over), but he played very well offensively last night (should have had closer to 50 points if the refs weren’t mentally retarded).
     
    8 rebounds in 60 minutes doesn’t seem like a lot, but that works out to an 8.6% rebound rate which would be a top 25% rate for guards.

    His play at least gives me some optimism.  If we can amnesty Bargs, that would give me even more optimism.

    Just think about it

    Lowry,
    Derozan (continuing to improve)
    Good SF, somehow (with money we save from Jose and amnestying Bargs)
    Amir Johnson / Ed Davis
    Jonas / Aaron

    That lineup has the potential to have good two-way talent.

  • FAQ

    RR forum … filled with armchair GM’s, coaches, analysts … all worth sh!t …

    • p00ka

      Throw in a few game players, and it becomes a …. toilet….. of …

    • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

       Oooh. Nice comment, dude!

      • 2damkule

        that’s why we all acknowledge that FAQ is the best, you guys.

  • cdub

    I have to question the coaching myself.  Bizarre substitutions.  That 32-7 quarter thr other night.  The blown leads late in games.  The sad part about last night’s game is the offense actually looked like they knew what they were doing for a change  Long crappy twos and forced shots were gone.  Shot selection was improved.  Regarding Bargs,  I dunno watching last night’s game I didn’t come away from it feeling like it was his fault they lost?  He would not be the first name off my tongue.  No one would be talking about this if they won the game.  I don’t think Calderon can play point to close out games.  They do not execute at all in the 4th with him at the point under pressure.