Toronto Raptors 82 Final
Recap | Box Score
103 Memphis Grizzlies
Ed Davis, PF 28 MIN | 3-4 FG | 4-4 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 10 PTS | -24

Acquitted himself well going up against one of the best front-lines in the league. Got a little overwhelmed in that third quarter when Memphis decided to go down to their bigs on every possession. Effective on the pick ‘n rolls and always hovering around the glass; he’s the Raptors best stretch defender in the paint, i.e., the guy who can cover his man and be cognizant enough of help duties to contest.

Linas Kleiza, SF 25 MIN | 5-15 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 11 PTS | -13

Started off as a man on fire (3 of 5 FGs in the first), ended up being suffocated under the weight of his own bricks. Maybe he felt the reason for his insertion into the starting lineup was to replace Bargnani instead of McGuire, because he sure did hoist up shots at that rate. He’s best in two-dribble-plus-shoot situations in isolations, not going up against the heart of the defense and flailing up a shot.

Jonas Valanciunas, C 28 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | -12

Was defending Randolph for some reason, switched to Gasol at times and I thought, overall, made the Memphis bigs work. In a game where you`re getting pounded on the glass, though, your big has to rebound and he didn`t do that. Maybe it`s because when you spend so much energy defending the actual play outside your comfort area, you`re not going to have the energy or the position to fight for the rebound, especially on a back-to-back. He`s got to recognize when a double is coming over because giving him the ball in the post right now is inviting a turnovers.

Kyle Lowry, PG 27 MIN | 3-10 FG | 5-7 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 12 PTS | -11

The worst player for me last night. After he took the night off in Houston, I was counting him to come back strong today. Instead, it was more of the same: questionable shots, not enough of a focus to break the defense down and get his team going, and extremely poor body language when things start going even a little south.

DeMar DeRozan, SG 32 MIN | 5-10 FG | 4-4 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 16 PTS | -18

If you’re of the belief that DeRozan could play the three defensively, that period in the third where Gay was going at him should’ve cast some doubts. Had some brief moments in the first where he looked to assert himself, especially after Casey’s early timeout, but after that initial burst he gently faded into anonymity and was nowhere to be found in that third quarter when the Raptors needed a response. Hit a couple threes in the garbage-time that was the fourth, so his stat line isn’t as bad as it should be. Too muted of a game for me.

Amir Johnson, PF 17 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | +7

I’m surprised that so few fans are calling this guy out for taking three out of four nights off consistently. These are the games, going up against a frontline such as Memphis, that guys like Johnson and Davis need to announce themselves. He wasn’t quick enough to press Randolph, and the fact that the Raptors have to send help on Randolph when he’s posting up against Amir 8-feet out should make you wonder just exactly what Johnson brings.

Dominic McGuire, SF 3 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +3

He played? Don’t remember, must’ve been in garbage time.

Quincy Acy, SF 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 PTS | -2

Fouled Rudy Gay hard and got a deserved flagrant. He’s well on his way to be a poor man’s Reggie Evans…wonder what that looks like…

Aaron Gray, C 18 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 2 PTS | -13

Carved up some good space inside in the first half, hovered in the right areas near the rim, which allowed the guards to drive and made him an implicit threat for a dump-off. Obviously, nothing of substance is expected offensively, but the rebounding was brutal and his lack of athleticism really showed.

Jose Calderon, PG 18 MIN | 4-6 FG | 3-3 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 12 PTS | -11

I thought he should’ve come in earlier in the third to add some more scoring to the lineup. Ross wasn’t doing much at the time and Calderon had had some success earlier; maybe playing the small ball card with Calderon out there with Lowry and DeRozan was the answer to Memphis’ shift in focus where they went down to their bigs every time. Casey’s not very good at recognizing when his team might have an advantage when facing a siege. A sortie of sorts, perhaps. The third was where something of ingenuity was needed. I`m not saying Calderon was the answer, I`m saying doing nothing wasn`t.

John Lucas, PG 9 MIN | 2-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | -1

He`s the new Patrick O`Bryant. His appearance indicates the official arrival of garbage time.

Terrence Ross, SG 30 MIN | 4-13 FG | 0-2 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 8 PTS | -10

Poor shooting night and very sparse defense. His first half wasn`t too bad, he handled the ball well, played a bit of a playmaker at times, and got in the passing lanes to good effect. Having said all that, his primary role on a team lacking three-point shooting is to provide said three-point shooting and he went 0-6.

Five Things We Saw

  1. The Raptors were outscored 33-14 in the third. Counting Houston’s third quarter, they’re 71-42 in their last two third quarters.
  2. Raps started off well and were up 8-7 with Kleiza featuring, but quickly fell behind by 7. Casey called a timeout, settled the nerves and out came a renewed team headed by DeRozan. They ended up shooting 59% in the first and ended the quarter on a 17-5 run.
  3. After operating a lot out of their guards in the first half, the Grizzlies went down to the paint in the third through Gay, Gasol, and Randolph. That spelt the end of the Raptors.
  4. Raps were -13 on the glass and had 17 turnovers.
  5. Andrea Bargnani was out with some sort of ankle thing, so Davis got the start. Kleiza also replaced McGuire in the lineup, with Casey going for Kleiza’s offensive to make up for Bargnani’s. It worked early, but couldn’t sustain.

  • Jamshid

    Big Val with ONLY 3 rebound. 3rd game in the row … I know , I know, … He is not AB and he is a super star and ….
    Amir Johnson continuing his trend of taking night off. The heart and Soul of the team, Mr.Hustle saving his energy for after party :)
    Good News is that we WILL WIN against Suns at home and our record will improve.

    Is AB being benched to be traded ? I really hope so. We need to get pass this AB situation and move on. It is better for both parties.

    Mr.Lowry, the Alpha male, the leader of the team, All Star and … Were the Raptor fans too quick to hype another player ? All evidence suggest there were, yet AGAIN …

    • knickz

       jarrett jack 2.0

    • ad

       For fuck sakes, lowry is playing hurt. Anybody with half a brain can see that.

      • unknown guest

        doesn’t excuse the poor shot selections

      • KJ-B

        DWade played on 1 league in the post season and won a championship…

        • KJ-B

          1 Leg-typo almost as bad as your defence of Lowry!

    • cb

       “Were the Raptor fans too quick to hype another player”

      ???

      speak for yourself jackass

    • Nilanka15

      If Bargnani’s “mystery injury” was indicative of an upcoming trade, he wouldn’t have been on the bench in full uniform.

      • j bean

        Sometimes they’ll sit in uniform for the first game after an injury on the road. It’s just because the never brought appropriate street clothes. That according to the radio crew.

        • Nilanka15

          What I meant is that if Bargnani was in the middle of a trade, I don’t think he wouldn’t been with the team at all last night.

          • Nilanka15

             *would’ve*

            • truth bbe told

              I think he was attempting to hide from being traded.

              That and it is obviosuly better to have to sit against the Grizzle then play against them.

              • WHAT THE

                +100

          • Steve

            No, you didn’t mean that :) You’re flipflopping again Mittlanka.. :)

            • Nilanka15

              Lol, hanging on by a thread of irrelevance, Miss Cleo.  You keep typing words without saying anything. 

              • Steve

                Being in uniform on the bench has nothing to do with whether or not someone will be traded. Then you flipflopped Mitt Romnilanka, per usual. :)

                • Nilanka15

                  Lol, hanging on by a thread of irrelevance, Miss Cleo.  You keep typing words without saying anything.

                • Steve

                  Are you still bitter after losing the election Mitt Romnilanka? :) Or will you flipflop on that too ? :)

                • Nilanka15

                  Yikes, just when I thought you couldn’t get any lamer….

                  Do you your grand kids at least think you’re funny?

                • Steve

                  Yes, they do actually. :)

                • WHAT THE

                  It looks like Mittens has got a case of Romneisia

          • LORENZO

            “I don’t think he wouldn’t been…” what are you trying to say MITT?

      • cesco

        Davis simply confirmed last night why he is not starter material ( now or ever ) . His -24 vs JV -12 for the same amount of minutes is a telltale , not enough scoring when Davis is on the floor. Everyone rest assured that Andrea will remain the starter PF and a trade involving him is very unlikely .

        • Nilanka15

          Still relying on single game’s plus/minus?  That’s weak, cesco.

          • cesco

             Well what about the season stats ( 16 games ) comparing AB to ED +/- . For 519 minutes played Andrea has a -39 . For 239 minutes played Ed has a -54 . Do not forget that the more minutes you play on a losing team , the higher the negative net scoring is supposed to go as this stat reflects what you and your team mates do while you are on the floor . Check also 82games.com net points stats .

            • Nilanka15

              Perhaps I should clarify my earlier post.  Plus/minus is a worthless stat no matter how you look at it.  It doesn’t “prove” anything.

              I’m not even a Davis fan.  I think he has a fairly low ceiling.  I’m just saying that 1 game doesn’t tell anyone anything about his ability to play PF in the starting unit.

              • CJT

                he didn’t look good last night.  completely lost on D and no offense to speak of.  It was a tough first test for him though.

                • Nilanka15

                  Totally agree.  But we could point to at least 1 putrid game for each of our starters so far this season.

              • cesco

                 So you are saying that even though JV and ED were both starters and played the same amount of minutes and JV allowed 12 less points than ED while on the floor ( obviously not always together ), it means nothing ? . Are you completely sure about that ? . Write to NBA.com and explain to them how meaningless they are and they must eliminate them as they make idiots of the thousands that look at them .

                • Nilanka15

                  Oy.

  • Jamshid

    ” Amir 8-feet out should make you wonder just exactly what Johnson brings.”

    6 million off our Cap :) Where is Buddah Fan and Tom Liston to defend this guy and show us the PER 36 !!!

    • Nilanka15

      In defense of Liston, 2 years ago (when he made that point), Amir WAS the most efficient player on the team. 

  • vino

    I’d give Val l a higher grade based entirely on his effort! This kid is special!

  • John

    I got a great laugh reading people rush to the internet to write about how much better the team is without Bargnani.  If you read the threads, it starts out with Best quarter ever, Davis is a beast, the Raps are a defensive juggernaut blah, blah blah.  Then, true to form, they lay there usual egg in the third, and absolutely no one on this team can score.  I’m not here to defend Bargnani, but I don’t think it would be too much to suggest that he has been targeted with unusual hatred as if he was the sole reason this team sucks.  Ed Davis may look good against scrubs, but its a whole new game when you go up against the big dogs.  Also, you can see how easily Demar and Lowry are neutralized when they don’t have the space on the floor that Bargnani creates. 

    • guest

      I dont think that this is the game that we could judge anyone on anything…2nd of back to back, playing one of the top 4 teams in the league..we were destined to lose this game

      But next game is against pheonix…its winnable. We should go with the same rotation (less Aaron Gray) and see how AB is as a 6th man. I thought that today’s rotation was way better and I do think that we started off this game well specifically because bargnani was not on the court playing his putrid D

      • John

        Well is that convenient.  We should just completely ignore this game and deem it irrelevant.  Yet, if you look at the posts all throughout the first half, many posters were using this very game as the evidence needed to determine that Bargs should be benched and that Ed was the answer.  It’s even funnier seeing people having to eat their words after the fact.

        • truth be told

          who was doing that?

          you don’t need 1 game to prove anything when you have 7 years of data staring you right in the face! lol

          • John

            What exactly has Ed done in three seasons for people to anoint him saviour?  There’s a very good reason why he’s a bench warmer  

            • WHAT THE

              because they refuse to get rid the pussy AB13 

              • John

                No it’s because they have no one better.  Pussy Ed didn’t look so good either.  You fags keep thinking that the grass is always greener, until your slapped in the face with reality, which occurred last night

                • cesco

                  andrea bargnani is a HUGE pussy. ed is just skinny. That is a fact that anyone that isn’t a wop will agree with.

                • WHAT THE

                  BUD we have been slapped in the face for almost 7 long years with big pussy and Dribbles our 1 2 punch

        • Destro

          No but you use common sense and understand the opponent and realize a single game either way doesnt make a good case for either option….

          • John

            If you were to use common sense you would understand why davis is a bench warmer. 

      • Hound

        Memphis played poor and disinterested bball in the first half. It was the worst game of the year for our squad, but if you want to look at it through rose coloured glasses and continue to find fault with one player, go ahead. Say what you want, but Bargs is our best player. If you don’t think this is the consensus around the league, tell me which player would bring us more in a trade than Bargs.

        This is precisely why he needs to be traded. He is the one chip we have.

        • John

          This is what we call “Perspective”.  I know you probably had a good chuckle as well reading the earlier posts

        • Destro

          It wasnt there worst game…IN actuality the first half was one of there best halves….Houston game was worse judging the entire 48 mins… 

          • John

            You mean the half where Memphis didn’t give a crap and were missing wide open shots?

      • BrainColangelo

        Exactly.

  • Hound

    -24! Where have I seen that before? Anyway, a predictable result from a bad team. We are clearly worse than last year. I expect Bargs and Calderon to be traded before Christmas. Bargs maybe tonight, as that is the only reason he wouldn’t have played but was on the bench in sweats. Maybe a deal was being talked about, but not yet cosumated.

    Bargs is our best player, which really says something about this team. So, in the best interest of long term development, get rid of Bargs and Calderon right away for picks and young players. This should ensure us finishing in the top 3 for the draft (barring a weird lottery). That now needs to be the goal.

    Oh yeah, ride Casey out for the rest of the year which also will ensure we lose most of the close games, then replace him with a college type coach for the young guys.

    Fuck! It’s going to be a long year.

    • Copywryter

      Long years.

  • Jkwasia

    Mediocre talent ………coach who knows nothing about in game adjustments …..lack of effort,hustle……why are we suprised when we get blown by 20+……..BC….Casey……Dribbles…….Primo Pasta….need to go asap.

    • FLUXLAND

      Destro forum handle # 456,825. right? *le sigh*

      Being the ultimate conspiracy theorist on here, you have somehow failed to see the “obvious”. Let’s see:

      BC: Last I checked JV is giving the fanbase visions of multiple All Star appearances and T-Ross’ Shuttlesworth stroke only needs minutes, while Dribbles and Primo Pasta are assets other teams are drooling over in a financial or basketball fashion… as far as his employer is concerned, BC is batting a 1000. When did the record ever matter to ownership? It’s sell sell sell, baby.

      Casey: The Big Tuna would tell you he’s just the cook, not the one buying the groceries. What DC does well is not break clipboards, cuss at 5 foot and a panini reporters, nor handles the media by answering: “Shatz!” to explain what is going on with the team or it’s overall direction and strategy.

      In the meantime (as FAQ advised already and DC confirmed in his “learning” quote), everyone is learning and having a grand old time keeping up their spirits. (we miss you head spirit leader Sonny!..where are you to cheer us up after a loss? BFF..tear).

      Remember, “the East is not going anywhere” and January is only a month away.

      (Free drizz!)

      • truth be told

        LOL,

        Thats right. When BC is making the team ends it’s all good.
        Fans are complaining but selling out the joint and happily buying jerseys.
        Thats no way to start the revolution. lol

        • TOraps

          Then lead the way Louis Riel…

  • mobchester

    whats the deal with the first round pick this year ? does it goes to OKC or it stays with us 

    • arsenalist

      Goes to OKC unless it’s a top-3 pick.

      • mobchester

        oh shit we screwed big time 

        • Destro

          How ? As of now were a bottom 3 team as long as the lottery doesnt screw us were ok this season lol.

          Problem is i would prefer to KEEP the pick in 2014 draft (wiggins,parker,randle)

          Its 2014 you dont want to give up that top 3 pick…

      • John

        Zeller!

      • Hound

        With the Lowry trade, Mchale turned BC’s asshole into a manhole. That trade could possibly be the worst in the NBA over the last 5 years or so.

        Can’t explain my disapointment in Lowry. Not sure Bayless was any worse.

        • knickz

           the draft doesn’t guarantee anything but if we finish with one of the worst records and don’t get a top 3 pick i will denounce this team

          • Destro

            If we are in the lottery in 2014 and wind up giving away Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins to OKC it has the potential to be horrendous AGAIN for this organization esp if you believe both of em are going to be franchise NBA players…

            • Tesla

              Jabari and Andrew aren’t even going to be there at 4 (or wherever the cut-off point is) so you wont have to worry about that.

              Unless one of them pulls a Harrison Barnes.

      • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

        Rap of the Day : …….In short, Ed Davis there is a very strong argument for Ed Davis being better for the team than Bargs. His rebounding alone gives this team another dimension and when you pair him with other active guys like Jonas and Amir it’s hard for the other team to deal with it. Long term, I would say that a rebounder of Ed Davis’ caliber will be one of the most important players on this team and once he gets his man muscles (he’s only 23) he is going to be a force in the post.hateslosing

        And  then comes reality where   the  Raptors  (Ed Davis starting) got raped in Memphis . His TO (4) nearly overcame his Reb (6) , that’s why you did not mention his PER36 today, faggot.
        No Bargnani, no Calderon, shit D and no O 

        • Sonsofanarchy

          didnt we get killed on the boards tonight without bargs?

          • NyAlesund

             No but the offense would have been better for AB and the teammates (DD, KL….). Defensively we wouldn’t have had any improvements.

        • Nilanka15

          Such a predictable response from the Bargnani backers.  After 7 years, Bargnani still needs more time to figure out his place in the starting lineup, but after 1 game against one of the biggest/best front courts in the NBA (on the second night of a back-to-back, no less), the Davis experiment has resoundingly failed. 

          Why don’t we give the kid the same luxury afford to Bargnani, and let him play through his mistakes?

          And don’t even get me started on why Casey inexplicably had Davis guarding Gasol (instead of Randolph) most of the night.

          • WHAT THE

            you notice that too i think this coach needs to go,he needs to ride outta town with AB13,Dribbles and BC.

            • Nilanka15

              I think Gary Forbes would make a better coach than Casey 😛

              • WHAT THE

                I think you think too highly of your boy now you want him to coach, what is it his fluidity that gives you a boner, where is he now?

                • Nilanka15

                  Ok, this is just getting weird now.  Do you actually believe that I am/was ever a fan of Forbes???

                • WHAT THE

                  SURE YOU WERE mr. flip flop mittens. talking bout the fluidity of the offence with your boy GARY on the floor. maybe your just having A CASE OF ROMNEISIA

                • Nilanka15

                  I’m still waiting for you to point out when I said I was a fan of Forbes.  Don’t remember?  That’s because it never happened.

                  But please go ahead and continue to believe your fabricated stories (it’s what delusional people do).

                  Hey, wait a minute.  Fabricating stories and spreading them to the public is what Romney does!  That would make YOU Mitt Romney! 

                  Funny how that works, eh?

                • Steve

                  You do not remember because as he said you have a case of Romnesia. :) You need to pay a visit to the doctor as your memory is off :) Mittlanka :)

          • Theswirsky

            Nilanka,

            since when does a reasonable sample size matter to the fanboys? 

            Small samples are their friends, big samples are their enemy. 
             
             

            • John

              Oh you like how everyone was praising Ed and how much better the team looked all throughout the first half last night?  Or after that one good game he had against the Spurs?  You all got very quiet and started rolling out the excuses by the time the second half started

              • Theswirsky

                “you all” whose “you all”?   
                 
                 

                • Lorenzo

                   *who’s

                • WHAT THE

                  loren has joined the pooka po po trol

          • John

            Who is saying anything about Bargnani?  What is this predictable response.  The only thing predictable is fans like you who run on to this site to blame all the teams problems on him.  Now that your hero Ed Davis gets his chance, and lays an egg, you come out with your excuses.  You sure weren’t saying anything about Ed needing time after the Sunday game.  there is a good reason why Ed Davis is a bench player and you all got a first hand look last night

            • Nilanka15

              If you knew anything about me, you’d know that I’m not a fan of Davis.

              The “predictable response” is fanboys desperately using 1 game to come to ANY conclusion that paints Bargnani in a better light.

              • John

                The reality is he’s there best player.  Not at all a Bargnani fanboy, just someone who isn’t delusional.  This was the same shit that people said about Bosh before he was run out of town, and the same shit that people will say about Demar once Andrea is gone.  If you really think its only one game, then you’re fucking blind.  Ed Davis is not a starter in this league, and he has proven it by being consistently underwhelming against bench scrubs.  Try opening your fucking eyes.

                • Nilanka15

                  [Rolling eyes] of course you’re not a fanboy.

                  Resorting to angry profanities just for the hell of it, eh?

                • WHAT THE

                  Rollin eyes that what i use to do every time you would talk about Gary Forbes and fluidity Mittens/flip flop

        • truth be told

          now you coming out of hiding while your boy goes into hiding? lol

          jump on the 1 game sample size why dontcha! while AB is nursing a bruised psyche on the sidelines.

          Ed did get raped trying to guard Marc. At least he had the cajhones to even get out on the court.

          Where was your AB7.0allstars on Sunday?

          You must be lapping up your moral victory this morning. Enjoy it cuz ABphantom ankle sprain will be on the court again at some point and we’ll get to see AB13 lead this team again

          • Destro

            You cant do nothing but laugh i mean were talking about a player who came off a 2/19 shooting game against a team who had a favorable matchup for him… 

            • John

              I believe he was coming off a 21 point, 12 shot effort.  Thanks for coming out though

        • FLUXLAND

          Ummm… it is possible the ROD was about the 1st part, not the ED part. Just a thought. 

      • Matt52

         Or they make the playoffs……………. *sobs*

  • tom

    After watching tonight’s game, I bet we don’t even win 20 games this year

    • Hound

      18 is the number. Hopefully that keeps us in the top 3

      • BCBargnaniCaseyGots2Go!!!

        Even if Raps get top 3 in Ls they will most likely drop in the draft Lottery to 4.smh lol

        • Movember

          Tony Wroten Jr sucks big time !!!

          • Destro

            rookie sucking >>>>> 7 year big mans rebounding numbers

        • David Stern

          Agreed

    • Copywryter

      Memphis has been demolishing everyone (elite teams included) with a 1-2 punch of bigs and balance. So I can bear it.  It’s when we lose games to Charlotte and a ‘Sota team that trotted out three waterboys that I realize just how far down the rabbit hole this team is. 

  • Copywryter

    At least this place has fewer nutjob enthusiasts touting JV as Eastern Orthodox Jesus with a ‘young core’ of cherubs leading us to playoff heaven.  

    Until we win a game. 

    • voy

      “At least this place has fewer nutjob enthusiasts touting JV as Eastern Orthodox Jesus with a ‘young core’ of cherubs leading us to playoff heaven”. 

      the best line ever written on this site…. and possibly anywhere else.

    • tweed8

       I just want to know which sites are proclaiming JV Jesus, that will make for some good Eddie Murphy “Goony GooGoo” caliber comedy.

      • Destro

        This very site had idiots proclaiming him as the savior for this team…

  • knickz

    crazy to hink with lowry we went from top 10 to 27th overall in defense . don’t know how you can bring a defensive style to a team whre not a single player is good defensively. again, that pick should have gone to getting rudy gay instead of lowry. guess bc felt pressure from the fan base to upgrade over calderon but it isn’t working out. 

    #freejose #shabbazmuhhamedortankforwiggins #josehatepollutesthemind

  • CJT

    Not sure where the great first half defense for ed comes from, he was abused all night and didn’t provide any scoring punch.  Gasol and Randolph are awesome on the inside, so I am giving ED a pass tonight, but all those calling for this starting line up need to think about it a bit more.  aweful.

    • Destro

      lol another intellectually dishonest post from the fanboy section…YOu can read the posts and know where the allegiance lies and what the agenda is….

      He was overmatched but not abused lol…

      A certain unamed PF gets abused and doesnt give effort on a nightly basis defensively and its called better than average lol…..Guy tries against 2 all star bigs its called abused…

      Easy to spot it…

      • John

        Just like you who was talking up Ed and the minute he gets a starting spot he lays an egg.  Now you’re rolling out the excuses as usual

        • Nilanka15

          Honestly, dude?  Your friend Andrea has “laid an egg” all season (save for 1 game), and you’re here defending him like he’s Kareem?  C’mon….

          • John

            For someone who you say has laid an egg all season, he’s still only .2 points away from leading the team in scoring.  No problem keep placing all the blame on Bargnani.  You’ll be saying the same predictable shit about Demar once Bargnani leaves

            • Nilanka15

              This whole team stinks (including Bargnani and DeMar).

  • knickz

    in all honestly, this team has talent, just think its being utilized wrong

    • Copywryter

      The team has talent in its marketing department. Is that what you mean? 

  • Gerry

    Lowry is still nursing an energy that’s why he looks so passive and is a lot less aggressive and explosive off the dribble/screens.

    • knickz

       believe what you want

      • Gerry

        It’s just a fact.

      • Destro

        Did you believe AB started slow because of injuires or conditioning related to injuries ?

        Do you believe AB struggles coming back last season were injury related in comparison to the “13 games” ?

        Just answer me that before i continue…

        • cesco

           Coming back from his first injury last year , the team won in Phoenix and Utah with Andrea playing like an all-star . What has Lowry done since returning from his first injury this year ? playing like an all-star ? , lol .

          • Nilanka15

            Disturbing that you believe this to be a valid point….

          • truth be told

            what is playing like an all-star mean?

            is that the bizarro seinfeld world?

            you either are or you are not. he wasn’t so his play shouldn’t be classified as such.

    • Gerry

      injury* not energy haha

    • Nilanka15

      Injuries shouldn’t have any affect in Lowry’s decision-making.  He’s not thinking on either end of the floor.

  • Hound

    This just in! Bargs and Derozan to Lakers for Gasol, Sacre and Darius Morris. Reported on ESPN!!!! 

  • Buschfire

    In the draft this year our pick is top 3 protected, its not a deep draft so idunno who I would want if I drafted after 3. So either way it’ll be good for us. Plus the way things are looking we have a great shot at a top 3 pick!  sweet….already looking to the draft haha.

    • tweed8

      No draft pick is going to save us.  We need some trades for vets. 

  • Hound

    Shit, I just woke up, I must of been dreaming.

  • RapthoseLeafs

    This team is desperate for a hero to save them.
    Either that or I’m desperate.

    Tonight was by fan request … Ed’s our man, he can do it. Not so easy against the Big Boys like Memphis has.

    But aside my concerns about throwing Ed to the fire – a real hot fire – I came away with a few questions about this game:

    > Was this Casey’s way to re-ignite Bargs to play at least close to AB13 (ankle injury ….. my foot),
    > Or was this about sending a message to the team, using the perceived angel to make the point, along with pushing him to do more
    > Or was this a f**k u message to the masses. “I’m the coach … I know what doesn’t work, even if I don’t know what works “.

    .

    • Jamshid

      Or Barg was really hurt and they wanted to rest him !!!

    • Copywryter

      We don’t need another hero. We don’t need to know the way home. All we want is life beyond Colangelodome. 

    • pran

      “ankle injury…..my foot”

      for once we agree.

      • WHAT THE

        let the cuddling continue thats how they “ROLL” get rid of this pound of crack baby sitter BC and LEO.

  • Ice2000

    I guess I should take back my comment from a couple of days ago about the Raptors being god awful to watch with Ed starting rather than Bargnani. Took some crap for that, but hey I will admit I was wrong. Watching them tonight showed me how beautiful the game can actually be.

  • Guest

    I will stop watching the Raptors until at least one of these things happen:

    Bargnani is traded. Calderon is traded. DeRozan is traded. Colangelo is fired. The team starts winning. 

    I would not bet on any of them happening.

  • czendvet

    Trade Bargs for either Scola or Illyasova……both are underachieving and under utilized on their teams……..

  • ad

    Look, this is simply a shit team that is having injury problems making it even worse. Every year, the raptors and wizards seem to have TONS of injury problems and they are routinely the worst teams during the season. I dont know what it is other than bad luck.
    Everybody is shitting on lowry when its clear hes still playing hurt. He has no explosiveness like he had the first 3 games. Derozan is a little improved this year but cant do shit against an elite wing defender like allen. Hes has a long way to go still which makes it even more perplexing he got the extension (Fuck you BC!!). SF is still a gaping hole which colangelo has failed to address even with fields. Fuck I can go on and on… just too painful.

    • Dan

      I love how Indiana used the Raptors 17th pick to get an all star, BC couldn’t even get a top 5 talent in a draft with the number one pick.

  • JHP

    Honestly I enjoy the angst but it’s only basketball.  The GM needs to go and a real rebuild is in order.  Washington, Detroit are our real threats.  They are getting ready for a 2 week absence from TO and you can count on bad basketball until at least mid January. Then they are going to go on a run and finish out of the top 3.  It just sucks how BC manages the draft picks.  No disrespect to Lowry (injured ??) but he is not worth a top 5 pick.  BC does not like the draft and always picks players who are not NBA ready.  Projects like AB/DD/Ross that take years to pass or fail. Everyone rants on the players and the coach but the real culprit is the GM.  Lower revenue and non existent TV ratings is the only way to get him out.

    • Dan

       He is also looks at the team from the wrong perspective. Rebounding sucks so he signs reggie evans. Problem is his rebounding gets negated by his terribble offense and your playing 4 on 5 at the other end. Bryan always thinks you can fill a void with a specialist player. You need well rounded players not players with one skill and no others.

      • Nilanka15

        It’s the same tunnel vision thinking that led to the Kapono signing (“we need a shooter!), and O’Neal trade (“we need a banger!”).

  • Canadian Paul

    I see that today’s comment du jour is “after 1 game, we can DEFINITELY say that you guys suck ass, and Bargnani is the best player ever”.

    7 years, you idiots. Not 1 game. S – E – V – E – N years.

    Now, suck on that, and wait for at least 5-10 games before pronouncing the results.

    • NyAlesund

       The problem is the lack of talent.

      I am not blaming ED. He is a role player, AB is a starter with well known deficiences. The difference is simply: you can see ED improves his basketball game in every aspect without thinking he is turning out a big one, AB is a lost case in Toronto. It would be enough to see him playing like last year but for many reasons he doesn’t do this. So, trade him or BC start to do the job properly, before the season goes bad, seriously.

    • Nilanka15

      Rap of the day.

  • NyAlesund

    I remember these Hinchey’s funny words “I’m not including Andrea in the keys to the game for a very specific
    reason – the team proved on Sunday against the Spurs that they can
    compete with any team in the league, even when he’s off.”

    Sunday was a combination of many factors that allowed the team to play a decent game. The Spurs underestimated us risking to lose it. After that two W’s with a large gap.

    Against Grizzlies we saw a poor team not playing a decent basket. If we count how many offensive plays were well orchestrated, probably not more than a dozen. The Grizzlies played seriously only in the third quarter and it was enough.

    The our heroes were destroyed. Ed Davis, the suppost new rising star (for some users) failed and played exactly as he played when he comes off the bench, nothing more than that. I don’t want to blame him because he is a good rotation player.

    DeRozan? Lowry? OMG.

    I wrote three games ago that I am Lowry’s hater. I am not changing my mind. He is a bad point guard for this team. His energy is not paying dividend because we need IQ, not a streetballer. We need someone that help the teammates to find a good shot, to run offense smoothly, in a few words a better version of Calderon. Instead Colangelo has taken a sort of Bayless or worst.

    Bargnani? He was benched purposely, to see what happen. A desperation attempt or  only a prelude for a big trade involved him.

    About the possible scenario: trade AB and JC. Ok with that but if I was Colangelo I would consider the idea to trade Lowry too. He is not a right guy for us and worst he is going to have a big deal with us. He is not a kind of player that can deserve 8 or more milions per year. He is good as leader of the second unit.

    I hope Andrea doesn’t play the next game. I want to see how this team manage his absence and how the bigs find the way to be affective on the floor.

    • Theswirsky

      If Bargnani was benched purposely, to see what happens against the Grizzly and the best front court duo in the league, that means one of two things:

      an attempt to fool fans into thinking Bargnani is a necessary peice in this teams success and justify keeping him.

      or fear that Bargnani would be completely embarrassed by Gasol/Randolph and would either drive fans ire or destroy what limited value he has.

      I’m going to assume Bargnani was actually injured, if he wasn’t its an enourmous statement as to whats wrong with the guy running this team.

       

      • p00ka

        “or fear that Bargnani would be completely embarrassed by Gasol/Randolph
        and would either drive fans ire or destroy what limited value he has.”

        That might resemble some sense if the last 2 times he faced that very front court he hadn’t had stat lines of:
        29 Pts, 5 RBs, 3 Asts, 1 STL, 1 BLK
        14 Pts, 10 RBs, 3 BLKs

        • truth be told

          Ha ha. Don’t pull a fast one man.

          Andrea only played in one of the games against Memphis last year.

          The one game he did play was when Z-Bo came back. Andrea had 18pts 7 boards on 4 of 17 shooting, while Z-Bo came off the bench with 25 pts in 25 minutes. Gasol also had 28 pts that evening.

          Maybe your thinking 2010 or perhaps his rookie year?

          • p00ka

            When I looked at last year’s game, I hadn’t looked past “starters” in looking for how he’s done against that Gasol/Randolph front court, and hadn’t noticed that Randolph came off the bench. Oops, my bad.

            The 2 “previous” games I referred to were the 2 prior to that, but I don’t mind including that one. Yes he didn’t have a good shooting game, but despite that, the Raps only lost by 4, not a blow out. So take those last 3 games, where they did much better with Andrea on the court than they did last night (1 W, and 2 losses by total of 6 pts), and tell me how it makes sense that they would be afraid that AB would be embarrassed by them.

            • Dc

              Still lost tho. And Zbo had more points then your boy did in half the minutes. I didn’t even look at the stats but he probably had more boards too. 

              • p00ka

                Try and keep track of the topic, and you might avoid deflecting it.

          • WHAT THE

            LEAVE IT TO pooka

        • cesco

           +1

          • truth be told

            -2

        • NyAlesund

           Do you believe this bullshit. So, we can expect some DNP to avoid AB’s embarassement…………

        • WHAT THE

          POOKA  STOP IT! this is a GRIZZ team who is playing well right now and Raps were on the back end of a back to back and we all know how good AB13 is on back to back come pooka you are starting to sound like CESCO  

          • cesco

            All I know is that the only time they played Memphis last year , in Memphis , they won 114/110 with Andrea scoring 18 points . Andrea is the least of the problems the Raps have , last year , this year and next 5 years .

            • cesco

              all I know is I am a wop.

      • WHAT THE

        And i’m going to assume that it is both and so should all raptors fan

  • NyAlesund

    I think we saw an experiment. Casey has estimated this game like one with no chance to win, so, he put AB on the bench to evaluate ED. Off course one game is not enough to judge the guy and I am curious to see what will happen against the Suns.

    If the use the AB’s fake injury to continue the experiment or AB is going to play as the 6th man.

    • John

      Of course, if Ed had actually played a good game, and the team was competitive, you wouldn’t be saying that “one game is not enough to judge the guy”.

      Playing against starters and being the main guy is completely different then playing against scrubs as a bench player.  The reality for Raptor fans who are calling for Bargnani’s head has finally set in.

      • NyAlesund

         Judge Ed is not easy expecially after this game. I agree with you about playing against scrubs players then against starters.

        In this team, the only legit PF is AB. He is playing bad most of the times and when he is good the teammates ignore him. I don’t know why.

        To me he is the convenient scapegoat for every Raptors’ problem.

      • truth be told

        what settled in?

        what did you think bargnani was going to do against those smae starters last night?

        at least Ed was battling Gasol who he has no business guarding anyway. If andrea played they would have switched him over to cover T.Allen.

        when did Ab hurt his ankle? on the way to the arena?

        • p00ka

          The last 2 times he faced that very front court he had stat lines of:
          29 Pts, 5 RBs, 3 Asts, 1 STL, 1 BLK
          14 Pts, 10 RBs, 3 BLKs

          But hey, you hang on to that imagination over facts.

          • truth be told

            where you getting those box scores from? They played last year and he didn’t put up those numbers in that game he played in.

            Z-Bo came back and lit them up off the bench for 25 pts in 25 minutes. Gasol had high twenties as well.
            Don’t let facts ruin a good pooka point.

            • p00ka

              See above for response

      • WHAT THE

        And LEO is a fucking idiot yes a fucking idiot, the idiot said last night that Ed should be putting up the 15 and 14 like he did against  SA on sunday playing against the Grizz and being a starter, talk about putting guys in possition to suceed,it’s like the coach/BC/LEO heard the call from the fans to let Ed start and said “you guys want Ed to start i’ll show you” notice who Ed was guarding when we all know Val knows and can handle Gosal (see Euro games). also mybe the reason pound of crack never roll with his boyAB13 last night is becuse he knows after playing the night before AB13 would play like shit against a top team like the Grizz .

        • Dan

           He was making a point based on last year when Ed started a handful of games. He tends to conserve his energy more when he is starting so you lose a lot of the hustle that makes him more effective when he is coming off the bench. His Numbers don’t increase much when he starts because he paces himself more. That was true last year and could be true this year. Again one game is not enough to declare that.

    • Gregast

      Or Bargs was held out due to a pending trade. When I saw Andrea and McGuire sitting last night I thought they would be the parts going out,  now who coming back – Gasol and ?

  • PussyMussyTussy

    Muhahahahahaha and someone says Bargs ist the problem? Muhahahahahaha
    Tot 33 reb. Muhahahahahaha 
    Poor team.

  • Ppellico

    never used to to really understand the substance a coach brings…until watching the raps.
    The bulls lose their star, a star everything revolved around…and they still came out winning this year.
    the raps?
    Casey…they got you now. they see you have no idea about running an offense and managing players and court titmes.
    You are a one trick poney….a defensive side man.

    you still dont see you wing combos falling around like confused blind men out there?
    dude! you have got to give it up…go home. get back to the bench yourself as another’s assistant.

    the raps were tied at half…then suddenly the wings go to hell…it became jump shot city all over again. OK…so jonas couldn’t afford them anthng inside, nor could amir offer anything as a f offensively. that right there was 2 dead spots on offense.
    and with little outside to help.

    nobody drove in to get to the foul line.
    instead they accepted jump shots fro far away as offense.

    casey….call team meeting about the need to force the ball inside at all cost???
    Please?
    Can you try to explain to your backs about the need to drive inside?

  • nba_socrates

    Why did they let Bayless go? unbelievable how inept Casey and Clownangelo are

    • Nilanka15

      They let him go because he sucks.

      • nba_socrates

        oooh yeah, i bet if he was starting pg the team would have a better record. This team sucks and Bayless will be in the playoffs, Raptors will be hoping to draft a bust in Shabazz or Noel. Keep believing in Colangelo

        • Nilanka15

          This team would stink with or without Bayless.

          I don’t “believe” in Colangelo, but I trust that Bayless not being extended was the wise decision. 

          The Grizzlies will be in the playoffs because of Randolph, Gay, Gasol and Conley.  Not because of Bayless’ largely inconsequential 17 minutes per game.

          • nba_socrates

            He should have been extended instead of acquiring lowry who is a cancer in the lockeroom, and either injury prone or causing some kind of trouble. As for Landry fields we all know what a bust he has become. Bayless starting and Calderon coming of the bench would have been perfect and raptors would be playoff bound, instead we have less cap space and suck even more than ever.

            • p00ka

              On what basis do you claim “cancer in the locker room”? Any thread of evidence or just imagination?

            • Gregast

              Exactly – how many times have you been in the room to pontificate about Lowry’s bad attitude. Watch the game dude. There’s respect and it’s two way respect between Kyle and his mates. Bottom line is the guys must be playing still injured as his mobility is defintely hampered. Regarding Fields, please let the man play with two hands before you pass judgement. I predict that Landry Fields will be the small forward on the Raps for the next five years cause he’s got a super high basketball IQ and he’ll get and stay healthy.

      • Hound

        Totally agree. However, we could of kept him and not did the trade for Lowry. Result, we have a pg who sucks, but we can bring him off the bench, he makes less money, and we still have our draft pick. For what we gave up, Lowry should be heads and tails better than Bayless, and I don’t see it yet. You want to talk about what sucks, how about our return on investment with the Lowry trade.

        • Nilanka15

          Since returning from injury, Lowry has been pretty bad, but it’s not like we haven’t seen what he’s capable of when 100% healthy.  I think it’s too early to draw any conclusion on Lowry’s fit with this franchise, and it’s definitely too early to know if we gave up too much for him.  A top 5 pick (going to OKC) in a weak draft could just as easily end up being a Tyrus Thomas instead of a Rudy Gay.

          • p00ka

            I agree it’s too early to give up on Lowry, but damn, he’s looking more and more like Bayless 2.0, with even more risky/careless defense, every day. Hoping he gets it together and starts playing like a PG out to stuff the stat sheet, minus assists and winning basketball, but if he doesn’t, we have another PG controversy, with Jose winning out again.

            • p00ka

              *NOT out to stuff….”

    • WHAT THE

      why did we let JJ go? pound of crack needs to go and BC need to spend good money on a proper head coach and get rid of this DERRAL WALKER or what ever his name was.

      • p00ka

        lmfao,,,, there are still fools here lamenting the departure of superstar (in his own mind) JJ???? Tell us how well he’s doing for the Kings, whose experiment starting him lasted 9 games, and shows him with a FG% of 35.8%, FT% of 59%, and averaging 5.1 pts and 2.4 RBs in 21 minutes. Damn, we shouldn’t have let him go, eh.

        • Dan

           Yeah but he is still an upgrade over Kleiza and Mcguire. Will probably offer more than Peitrius will if they sign him. He at least had an edge and was more  fun to watch

          • Lorenzo

            No he isn’t

  • 511

    Funny you mention being surprised at fans not calling out Amir; just yesterday I was reflecting how I’d been thinking that with him finally being healthy after the last couple or so seasons of him playing through injuries, I thought, surely, this is the year he’d take a solid half-step or so forward. But … not happening. It occurred to me that maybe he’s one of those guys who plays better when he’s in some sort of pain. (?) Then I saw him go over on his ankle last night and I thought, ‘well, now maybe we’ll see about that’. Also, during the last season or two, his shot seemed to be firming up nicely. But this year, he looks like a guy who hits from all over during practice but come game-time, over-thinks it by 5 percent to start with … and then loses whatever confidence in it he might’ve had. I like Amir so it’s disappointing to see him only half-awake for – as you say – three games out of four. 

    • tweed8

       I was thinking in games he might be rushing what is already a very slow release shot because, the defence has more that ample time close in on him.  At least that is what I am always thinking… Holy molly, Amir get the shot off!

  • Statement

    This comment board is filled with angst and complaining.  Even more so than in years past.  I guess being a Raps fan will do that do you.

    Let’s hope for a top-3 finish.

    • Statement

      top 3 = bottom 3.

  • tweed8

    I am starting to think that Brian Colangelo just plain ignores the best options in the drafts and just picks players he thinks will be “diamonds in the rough”. That way he can turn around and say, “I saw it, why didn’t you?”  Almost every draft year you have 31 other GM’s and their team going WTF? 
    Not to take away from JV -his best pick in however long- and Ross -glad we got him over Austin Rivers- I like these kids but, holy hell.

    • Hound

      Except for drafting Bargs, who was clearly the number 1 consensus in a bad draft. For taking the guy everybody else would of also taken, he gets ridiculed. People need to stop blaming him for picking AB. His handling of AB is what is atrocious. Think what bargs would have been like, if he was drafted by the spurs or had to play for Kobe and Phil in LA. He would either be out of the league right now, or a pretty good player.

      • Nilanka15

        I don’t recall Bargnani being the “consensus” #1.  I remember it being a toss up between Bargnani, Morrison, Aldridge and Thomas.

        Either way, I don’t blame Colangelo for picking Bargnani either.  Each player had an element of risk associated with them.  But I do blame Colangelo for trying to fit a square peg into a round hole over and over again.

        • Dan

           I know everyone else loves  Demar but at the time I was hoping Holiday. Holiday is a good two way player. The year they took Ed I was hoping for Bledsoe or Bradley because they were then and still now desperate for guys who can play perimeter defense.

          • Nilanka15

            I was hoping for DeRozan in 2009, but I didn’t anticipate him taking this long to develop.

            • Steve

              I can remember you hoping that the Raptors would move up to draft Jony Flynn…right Mitt Romnilanka? :)

  • tiredrapsfan

    The most incredible display of dilussional thinking goes on here. If the Raptors had a better PF than Bagnuts, they would play him, it is professional sports. Just like if we had a better PG/SG they would get minutes over Lowry or Derozan. Fact is, the team is not good; no identity, no direction and no leadership.
    Not sure why TO teams are all like this, but it’s depressing.
    Seems like for the last 7-8 years, we always want to sign or trade for other teams afterthoughts, hoping they will magically become something they have never been. With exceptions to those who we drafted. (another huge problem, but running out of energy here)
    Only one answer here: REBUILD THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION

    • Dan

       I agree. Ross and Jonas look like good talent to develop. The players that are supposed to be the top players would be secondary players or role players on other teams. Since this is the team we root for we hold out hope that the players will turn into more then they are or overrate them because we want to believe this team is better then it is. They need a talent upgrade across the board. Everyone talked about Andrea struggling to guard a bum like Mullens. Mullens only scores 3 less points this year and gets 4 more rebounds. I’m sure the Bobcats wondered how Mulens only scored 10 against a bum like Andrea. The core of this team the last three years is below the talent level of other teams cores that make the playoffs. Demar is scoring 16 points last year as a starter and being the number one option for this team with Andrea out. Hardens scored 16 of the bench as the third option. Everyone here just looks at the points and says Demar is just as good as this guy or that guy. Look at what Harden is doing with the same chance now that Demar has had for almost three seasons. If Demar and Andrea are you two best guys your not making the playoffs.

  • wes mantooth

    i didnt read every comment here, so this couldve already been said, but you need to grade casey as well no?? 
    he gets an F
    for he is awful
    atleast with triano the team was fun-ish to watch. casey’s system just exposes the roster for not being above average at anything…hmmmm maybe thats a good thing. maybe this will force some heads to roll..
    this has been painful thus far. 
    im trying to get a league pass refund

  • Nilanka15

    I would honestly keep Bargnani over Ilyasova.  One of the most overrated players in the league, who happened to put up good numbers in a contract year (surprise, surprise).