Think of this move one part Colangelo taking care of a veteran friend on an expiring, and one part getting something for the guy before he signs with another team in the off-season. We can argue all we want about his value, but a 2nd round pick sounds about right; would have been nice to get a pick in the low-to-mid 30s, but I can live with this.

Just to recap for the tankcity theorists:

  • Calderon is day-to-day, and with the Balyesstricity rhetoric in high gear, sounds like he wont be rushed back. This weakens the 2nd unit significantly since Forbes gets thrust into a larger role
  • Barbosa gets traded to the Pacers for a 2nd rounder, also diluting the talent on the bench; could see a larger role for Butler (kill us all) for the remainder of the season
  • Bargnani’s being eased back into the rotation, but isn’t back to his early season form; could have his minutes slashed or shelved in an effort to keep him healthy for next season and maintain a maximum lottery balls

Update
As 2damkule pointed out in the comments, the Raptors will be getting back a $7.9million trade exception since the Pacers were already under the cap. Historically, these TPE’s have never been used and just expired, so don’t hold out hope they might be used to bring someone else back; however, it is possible.

Update 2
Anthony Carter was apparently part of the deal, so the Raptors are sans 2 players in the rotation, and minus some salar; they will need to remedy this before the end of the season.

Update 3
Hollinger has given the Raptors a ‘B’ on the trade (need Insider); can’t say I disagree.

  • SKA

    We are below the minimum salary level by 1 M$ and with two roster spot available. We must trade for someone

    • Sam Holako

      Or pick someone up from waivers or the d-league; really don’t know who’s available, but Gerald Green would have been nice…

      • brother

        No kidding. How does Colgangelo keep missing these guys? Shouldn’t he be scouring the D league? How do you miss giving Green a second chance after what he’d done down there? The guy’s athleticism was never doubted. Why not give Casey a shot at molding the guy into something?? Why are roster spots being used on guys like Gary Forbes? or former corpses like Butler??

        Did anybody see the Chicago/Miami game last night? How deep are the Bulls?? How do they scout/draft/find these guys? Asik? Lucas? Gibson? and that’s in addition to guys like Rose and Noah… Wow. Terrible job Colangelo.

        • Nilanka15

          There are 29 GMs who also passed on Parsons, some of which passed on Parsons twice.

          Sure, Gerald Green had a nice game last night, but the guy who signed him is about to lose Derron Williams for nothing in a few months.

          Some perspective is definitely needed.

          • 2damkule

            ‘…the guy who signed him is about to lose Derron Williams for nothing in a few months.’

            and just traded his 1st rounder this year, and a couple role players, for wallace…and only insisted that it be top-3 protected.

            GENIUS!

          • brother

            So the Chicago roster comment doesn’t hold any water? Nice try Bryan Colangelo – I know how to post anonymously too.

            I’m commenting on the hundreds of missed opportunities vs. the squads he’s been relentlessly putting on the floor. Green is just an example. Parsons? Never mentioned him, but okay. Lin, Parsons, Green, half the chicago roster…. oh and I’m just talking about right….now. Not two years ago. Not three and a half years ago. Now. No, now.

            • Nilanka15

              My apologies for mentioning Parsons (I must’ve picked it up from elsewhere in this thread).

              Asik and Gibson are nice players, but hardly superstars.  Regardless, don’t underestimate the influence of both Thibideau and Rose on that Bulls team.

              I doubt Thibideau even accepts the Bulls job if Rose isn’t there.  And the Bulls won the 2008 lottery with a 1.7% chance of landing the 1st pick. 

              It’s hard to duplicate such luck.

            • Bendit

              You discount the possibility that this roster was assembled to fail/tank/whatever. That said BC and his scouting beagles have been fairly abysmal finding “hidden” talent in the lower draft positions or the unsigned.

              • Raps4Ever

                And 29 other NBA staffs are finding these hidden gems all the time, right?

                • brother

                  More frequently than BC, yes. How do some teams, like the Spurs, Rockets, etc. always seem to find middling gems and BryCo finds Will Solomon, Gary Forbes, ad infinitum?

                  Here’s the point: BryCo does a terrible job at sourcing middling talent (and big name talent BTW); since the first year where Anthony Parker, Garbajosa and friends, he’s found nothing.

                • Michael

                  Whataboutback to his Phoenix days?Barbosa, Diaw,Stoudemire and others…

              • brother

                By that count, he’s been intentionally building tanking rosters for five or six years.

                • Theswirsky

                  you just figured this out?

        • K.J.P

          I hate how you mentioned Lucas. I was more than happy to see Miami lose but put that scrub in the same situation again and he misses all of those wild/lucky shots, lol. 

          • brother

            So the theory is that one day Gary Forbes will break out and ice a title contender? What I’m saying is – BryCo’s gems never shine – I’d give every one of em away to get a game or two out of a guy like Lucas. BryCo signs dogs and then runs them as though they’re going to turn a corner – and they just never do.

            • mountio

              How about Hump? We got him for god damn Haffa, who was a laughing stock. Sure, hes done better after he left .. but BC did “find” him so to speak..

              • Theswirsky

                I’m not sure dumping a guy before he has success is considered ‘finding him’.

                Utah ‘found’ him before BC at that rate.

      • Mash

        Disclaimer: I had actually hoped that the Raptors picked him when he elected for that year’s draft, but of course we opted for Charlie V. and Joey Graham.

        After being drafted by the Celtics instead, I think some of that douchebaggery rubbed off on him while he was there, and it was this probably this sequence with virtually no time remaining in a blowout that effectively ensured he would never be a Raptor, at least not under BC’s watch.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsnEWeFbiNo 

        • Sam Holako

          I wanted Granger

    • FAQ

      Indiana dipped into the Ratpor “talent pool” and plucked out Leohindro Barbosa for a 2nd round draft pick.

      Portland have waived Greg Oden… is that the Ratpor’s big man solution??!!!

      • Brian B

         Oden is unable to play- awaiting microfracture surgery. That has about a one full year recovery, with about a 50% chance that a player will be effective again. Given Oden’s history, his odds are worse than that.

        • Nilanka15

          I’m not sure if microfracture surgery can correct the fact that one of his legs is longer than the other.

  • ad

    This is a terrible return. You can get a mid-late 2nd round pick for just cash. Why trade an asset? Barbosa has value as a good 6th man. This is just dumb. If your not going to get anything worthwhile just keep him and tell the fanbase you had no good offers. The draft is deep but not that deep. Fucking Colangelo.

    • tankcommander

      trading Barbosa could be the difference between getting a 3-5 pick instead of a 6-8 pick.  He’s been playing extremely well and probably stole us atleast a couple of wins this year – not good for the long term of the franchise.  Why would you settle for nothing rather than something?  A 2nd round pick for a player that probably isn’t in our long-term plans is quite aright with me.

      • Nilanka15

        +1

        Something is always, always, always, better than nothing.

        We now have two 2nd round picks.  Maybe they can be combined and traded for a 1st rounder.

        • sleepz

          As long as no salary is coming back.

          Those are the instances in when nothing might be preferred to something. 

          • Nilanka15

            Agreed.  I haven’t heard about any salary coming back in this specific Barbosa case though.

        • Darien

          I don`t see any team giving up a first for two seconds, but we might be able to move up a spot or two for that extra 2nd rounder.

      • ad

         How many 45-60 overall picks do you remember turning into serviceable nba players? Not many. That is the scrub area of the draft. A mid- late 2nd is almost the equivalent of nothing

        • ad

           Plus when has this team ever drafted anybody decent in the 2nd round. They have terrible scouting

          • Destro

            PJ Tucker !! wait no,forget it…

          • Tonious35

             I blame our scouting and GM that supports this terrible scouting department.  This white boy named Chandler Parsons, he’s a second rounder in the 2011 draft and he is kicking some ass now.  Also kudos to the coaching staff.  I have more faith in our coaching and development, so Dwayne Casey might convince Colangelo to show faith that Casey and the coaches will develop some 2nd round gems.

            • Destro

              we dont need more whiteboys,we have too many already….

              • Cred

                It doesn’t matter what color their skin is moron, as long as they can play ball.

                • Destro

                  So clearly your white AND mad :)

                • Cred

                  Actually, I’m not dummy.

                  You’re clearly idiotic and sad.

              • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

                So you’re saying you think Valanciunas will be a bust? I look forward to hearing you change your stance in the future.

                • Destro

                  I have seen many cant miss euro big man bust in the NBA…we’ll see…

                • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

                  I have seen manycan’t-miss NorthAmerican bigs..see, I can make dumbass generalizations too!

        • Nilanka15

          But isn’t “almost nothing” still better than NOTHING?

          Barbosa only had 24 games left in Toronto.  He was gone at season’s end.

        • tankcommander

          How hard is to understand that this helps the tank & is probably a favour to Barbosa????  Favours with agents go a long way.  How would Barbosa possibly help us for the remainder of the season?  

          • sleepz

            Favours might go a long way, but when your GM can’t get much done via Free Agency it amounts to little more than built up good will.

          • Destro

            Tank was on going with or without Barbosa friend….barbosa wasnt going to give us 5 more wins….

          • j bean

            How much of a favor is it to end up with the Pacers? 

            • Destro

              Its a favor being done to the Pacers by Colangelo…He clearly has friends in the org which is why he does things like take JO off there hands and allow them to draft Hibbert…

            • Bendit

              LB gets to be in the playoffs and possibly showcase his talents for his upcoming free agency.

        • Ihatehaters

          Like the man said, subtracting Barbosa could mean a few extra lottery balls, and potentially a higher “1st” round pick. Even if the 2nd is useless (its a crapshoot, you never know), this is still a good trade.

        • Stephanangelos

          Manu Ginobli

      • Destro

        You really think barbosa is the difference in us moving up 3 draft slots ?Forget the fact that is determined by lottery balls and not wins,that is lunacy my friend,hes a 6th man..he has value and too other teamsn looking for scoring but he isnt that impactful to this team….that being said BC didnt get enough for him…

        • Cred

          Stop trolling the forum you lunatic arm-chair GM that thinks he knows what trades were available. 

          Why don’t you share with us where you get your insider information from troll?

          • Destro

            This guy still mad cuz he the only guy at the park who couldnt dunk….

          • Destro

            quit your crying bish…

    • Destro

      I guarantee we could have got more than that from another team..Theres 5-6 teams desperate to make a move today,and would have come off of more than a 2nd for him….BC strikes again !

      • voy

        i am curious to know exactly how you can guarantee this.  you either are an nba gm who offered more for barbosa or you dont know what the word “guarantee” means.

        • Ihatehaters

          I don’t think he know what “guarantee” means.

          • Destro

            guarantee you waste the next 5 replies talking about anything BUT the trade…

        • Destro

          You have at least 5 teams with incredible pressure to make a deal and bring in someone (Blazers,Nets,Lakers,Bulls,Celtics,Rockets,Hawks) and a few others trying to make deals…based on the stuff thats flying out there,theres no doubt they could have played Barbosa into more than a late 2nd…To me its a sideways deal that accomplishes nothing for the team…I would preferred you try to re up barbs in the summer,he’s worth more than any 2nd your going to get and TPE’s are worthless here cuz Bryan doesnt know what to do with them… 

          • http://twitter.com/Liston Tom Liston

            Alright, I’ll bite.  Please enlighten us on why a non-contending team would give up a 1st rounder in a deep draft for a rental player?! (BTW, LAL need a PG).

            Here’s the conversation: Colangelo: “Yeah, Danny, I know you want to give me your first rounder, but I have a good feeling about Indy’s 2nd”

            Really?!

            • Destro

              Its called a small market discount…

              • http://twitter.com/Liston Tom Liston

                Huh?

                • 2damkule

                  double huh…

                • Cred

                  Makethat three.

              • Juicy

                I’m sick of these Small Market teams.  There the reason why the Big Market teams can’t compete anymore!

          • CJT

            James Johnson is what to do with them.

          • Vanderkoko

            Good call on the pacers

            • Vanderkoko

              I mean the blazers

      • dalmatino

        Please back up your guarantees with facts and prove it!
        Thank you in advance for your time and efforts.

    • Tonious35

       More Cap relief?  Tanking harder? or very stupidly optimistic that they can land another Michael Redd?  I always wanted the Raptors to use and develop 2nd round picks for the draft, but can’t they at least get two 2nd round picks at least for bloody GODS-SAKE?

  • littlecha

    Barbosa for a 2nd rounder .. WHY?

    • 2damkule

      i realize you were holding out for something more, like dwight or dwill, but…

      • littlecha

        dwight and dwill .. RAPTORS .. in my dream .. i just hope he can trade some player that can help this team in the future .. no need to be a big star ..
        but again nobody wants come to Toronto anyway .. sighs .

      • Destro

        Im holding out for a competent General Manager who has a plan year to year to build a team….

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    And with their 2nd round pick acquired from Indiana in the Barbosa trade the Toronto Raptors select Igor Zbrneiviskinellia a 17 year old 6’10 210 PF that they hope will one day grow into a NBA center he will play the next 3 years for the Siberian Czars in the Russian Andropov League.

    • 2damkule

      yes, because acquiring an asset, no matter how little likelihood there is of him amounting to anything, is so much worse than losing LB for nothing but cap space in an offseason that features a steaming pile of shit in terms of FAs. 

      y’know, there’s a chance there may be more…

      • Destro

        Oh you mean like that highly touted trade exception we got from Bosh and let expire….great asset that was…and ultimately it helped pacify you mindless into thinking we got something for HIM…

        • 2damkule

          ah, so because one thing happened in the past (or in this case, didn’t happen), it’s absolutely going to happen/not happen again.  brilliant deduction, dr. hawking.

          • Destro

            Did the exception from Bosh not expire ?

            • Nilanka15

              Well technically, part of the exception was used to acquire Bayless and J.Johnson.

              But regardless, yertu’s point was, how do you draw any connection from one TPE to another?  Just because one wasn’t [fully] used, it doesn’t mean any subsequent TPEs will also go unused.

              • Destro

                I draw a comparison because our imbecilic GM in charge wont do shit with it like the last one he let roll over,and no technically we didnt use the TPE for Bayless..smh

                • The Mongoose

                  Yes technically we did. Check the trade numb nuts.

            • 2damkule

              yes, and it was (mostly) unused.  your point?  is it possible that the same could happen with this one?  OMG, what a concept…of course it could. 

              but, as a GM, i’d rather have that ~$8M TPE  as a resource for making deals, than $8M in cap space to (over)spend on a bit/role player.  seriously, have a look at the FAs who are going to be hitting the market this summer, and once you eliminate the ones that would obviously never sign with TO, what’s left? 

              further, the TPE doesn’t expire until this time next year, giving them time to make deals &/or take advantage of teams desparate to unload unwanted money (esp. since the lux. tax rules get much stiffer after next year).

              but you’re probably the kind of person who believes that if you roll a 6, you’re less likely to roll a 6 the next time.  amirite?

              • Destro

                and ur a person that probably believes BC is a GOD amongst GM’s still and put all your faith after the last 4 seasons that he can still “turn it around” amirite ?

                • 2damkule

                  clearly, you’re new here.

    • Destro

      This joke will never get old as long as BC is here…

    • FLUXLAND

      You mean Nicolina Del Nodefensella, a 6’10 145lbs SG who discovered basketball after giving up his career at professional bocce and completely destroyed the Caliper test.  

    • FAQ

      Portland have waived Greg Oden … ya think??!!!

  • littlecha

    Colangelo better do something BIG today !! many teams are open for business right now.

    • Juicy

      Most things I have read is that he is not doing anything.  Even this trade was more than some expeced.  But we’ll see.  Colangelo does like to tinker with his roster.  But the most common trade deadline moves are usually his junk for someone else’s.

      • Copywryter

        In that case he should have been extremely busy. We’ve got junk on this team.

  • Nilanka15

    Indiana has no guarantees that Barbosa re-signs with them in the off-season.  If he walks, they gave up a pick for basically nothing.

    I would’ve liked a higher pick myself, but any pick is better than nothing, which is exactly what we would’ve been left with at the end of the season (assuming Barbosa doesn’t re-sign here either).

    • Hello

      But Pacers is going in the playoffs that’s why they take the risk in getting barbosa, they almost traded nothing for him.

    • Mantcore13

      Don’t agree with first statement – Indiana gets one of the best 6th man in the league for entire season. They’re trying to be contenders this year, and Barbosa can help them

      • Nilanka15

        What you say is true, but it doesn’t refute what I said in my first statement.  That is, the Pacers still have no guarantee that Barbosa will re-sign with them this summer.

        It’s still a something-is-better-than-nothing scenario.

        If you had a bag of expiring milk in your fridge, and someone offered you 50 cents for it, isn’t that a better deal than letting the milk expire?  Sure, there isn’t much you can do with 50 cents alone, but it can be combined with other assets to net you an ever better beverage 😉

        • Vince

          Like Kool-aid?

          • Nilanka15

            lol, well played.

            If 2 years ago, someone offered us a 2012 second round pick for Turkoglu, I’m sure we would’ve all jumped at it. 

            But today, it’s the worst deal in NBA history (or so some would have us believe).

          • Statement

            Lol.

          • Theswirsky

            and from what we’ve seen.  BC can turn kool-aid into 5 mil a year.

            The kids just can’t stop drinking it.

            • Juicy

              I know it’s bad for me but it’s so sweet and sugary.  And the packaging is enticing.  I’m not a robot after all.

  • 2damkule

    before the republic commences with the usual gnashing of teeth…perhaps wait to see what other moves are made.  this could simply be setting something else up (in fact, as SKA mentions, they’re under the cap floor, and MUST acquire more asset(s)/$$ before the end of the season, and signing guys to 10-days isn’t going to cut it. 

    optimistically, this is pretty much about what sam touches on above – doing right by a player (something that doesn’t go unnoticed), and setting up flexibility to make moves down the road.  the FA crop this offseason is looking like a bigger pile of shit day by day (at least when you exclude those who’d never sign with TO under any circumstance), so gaining that TPE (which is good until next year’s TD) is, arguably, more valuable than the cap space that would have been created when LB walked in the summer.  yes, it’s always nice to get back a shiny toy right away, but let’s have an ounce of fucking perspective for a change.

    pessimistically, we’re about 30 minutes away from someone breaking down the ‘player x was dealt for player y who was dealt for player z who was dealt for a 2nd round pick’ in excruciating detail.

    • 511

      I appreciate your perspective – I do – but … my teeth are involuntarily gnashing, anyway. 

      You’ve got our attention, Bryan. Drop the other shoe. Any time now would be ok. 

    • Sam Holako

      Totally overlooked the TPE aspect of the trade; thanks for pointing it out, kule.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    Has got to be something else going as the Raptors need to add a backup pg either via trade or 10 day.

    3 PM EST will be the moment of truth as far as trades go for this season.

  • Raps Loyalist

    I was worried B.C. would get nothing for Barbosa and watch him walk in the offseason.  I like this trade considering no team was gonna give the Raps a 1st rounder for Barbs without the Raps having to take on a bad contract in return.  Hopefully B.C. can package the Raps 2 2nd rounders to move into the late first round.  Any draft picks in this draft are welcomed!!!

  • ad

    apparently anthony carter was in the trade also. Thats probably what brought the value of barbosa down

  • tankcommander

    BC probably could have netted a late first if we took on salary which he has been adamant about NOT DOING.  He loves his cap flexibility.  But, even Chris Kaman, apparently, isn’t being able to a 1st rounder.  Ramon Session also is being shopped for a 1st but to no avail.  Tough market out there this year.

    • golden

      Cleveland did squeeze a 1st rounder from the Lakers for Sessions.  Surprised by that.  Of course, Cavs had to take on Luke Walton’s salary, but it’s expiring next year ($6M).   Interesting to track who the Cavs 1st rounder ends up being.

  • RyanRobinson

    Worse than I expected but I’m not really complaining. I probably would have thought he could have gone for a late first-round – he is a former sixth man of the year after all, and is likely to be a key bench piece for the Pacers now. But I don’t feel massively ripped off, either.

    • Destro

      No doubt they could have gotten a late 1st rounder if they had of shopped it around and not did Indy ANOTHER favor….smh

  • voy

    love how some have set up expectations so that anything less than a singular move to make the raps immediate favorites for the championship is going to be viewed as a failure. 

    Reminds me of the most vocal of leaf fans wanting to make moves for the sake of just making moves and then when they land a 50 year old shane corson, joe nieuwendyk, or gary roberts they immediately start planning the stanley cup parade.

    keeping barbosa wasn’t gonna get us any closer to winning the championship.  If his contract expired after next season we may have kept him for another year, but it doesn’t and we’re not. 

    The 2nd rounder prob isn’y gonna do anything to make us win any faster either.  However, moving LB does improve our chances of getting a better pick this year.  Right now, I’d Tonya Harding AB’s knees if I could to bring us closer to Anthony Davis.

    • KuH

      AB went what, 4 for 13 last night?  Seems like NOT doing a Tonya Harding is what you want.

  • dominospizza

    do the raptors get a trade exception? they didnt take any salary back and indiana is under the cap.

    • Sam Holako

      Yup, 2damkule pointed that out above

  • Boko

    Leandro is past his peak, and was going to be allowed to walk away for nothing this summer. Essentially, a second-rounder is nothing. We don’t have to roster whomever we draft there.
      
    Don’t like the free agents nor the draft choices available this summer. Best bet is a trade or two by next autumn …
      
    LINAS, (not Rasual) will take Leandro’s minutes. DeMar will take his touches. Andrea will get the usual soon enough. Jame’s overall game has to stay in the mix somehow …
      
    Still need a swing that deserves to start, and another passing PG to start now, and sub for José later. Jerryd is trade bait, in my opinion …
      
    Personally hope that Andrea is the other trade bait, cause Ed & Amir are younger, and will still be around when Jonas gets up-to-speed with the NBA game.
      
    Wonder if Aaron is trade bait, too.

  • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

    There is nothing wrong with this trade, I don’t understand how people can complain.

    1. Raps get something for a guy who’s not in the long-term plans. It’s VERY little, but it’s better than nothing

    2. Raps get the TPE (might not be used, but it’s something)

    3. Raps don’t take back salary

    4. Raps probably win less games the rest of the way (this is a good thing people!!).. Barbosa stole the team at least 3 wins this season already.

    If Sessions and Kaman aren’t going for 1st rounders, BC wasn’t getting a 1st for Barbosa. End of story.

    • mountio

      Agree completely. Hopefully this gives people a sense of what Jose’s value would be on the open market. If we get a late first rounder for Jose, we are doing great and should jump at it.
      I love Bosa .. but he wasnt coming back and we at least got something. Im totally fine with this trade.

    • Statement

      Great post

    • sleepz

      Sessions did go for a protected first rounder but Clevland had to take some salary back (Walton)

      • John

         Who is a better player ? Barbosa or Session ? Man, we basically gave Barbosa for another Alabi :) Love you BC

    • John

       Session went for a 1st rounder 😉
      TPE is the same as NOTHING
      2nd round pick is Alabi like, so in reality is NOTHING

      So the ONLY thing good about this trade was we did not get any salary back. You could waited a month and be in the same position automatically.

      Fans like you are the reason why BC gets away with this sort of SHITTY deals and Raptors suck like this for ages.

      • Nilanka15

        Sessions wasn’t an expiring contract.

        Isn’t it possible that Colangelo can combine our two 2nd round picks and move up in the draft?

        And parts of the Bosh TPE was used on JJ and Bayless, two players with potential (depending on who you talk to).  It’s possible this Barbosa TPE also nets us some serviceable players.

        Why are we making final judgements on this trade without any of the possibilities even playing out?

        • John

           Actually expiring makes it much more attractive for teams over the Cap.
          Will he combined it to move up ? Based on his recent lazy records and signing guys like carter and Butler and .. the answer is NO. It will be wasted like the TPE from Bosh’s trade.

          • Nilanka15

            Teams over the cap can’t provide us with a TPE.

            As for Carter and Butler, if you’re in favour of tanking this season, those were perfect signings that don’t take minutes away from our younger players, and don’t require financial commitment past this season.

      • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

        John, it’s a protected first rounder.

        Glad you feel it’s my fault BC gets away with this. That’s really logical. Take a deep breath and then keep posting.

        I can’t even respond to the rest, as it’s just babble.

        • John

           So what if it is protected ?? It is protected for the first 14 and as you probably know, most PGs in this draft are projected to go around 14-15 and that is what we need.
          Yes, I do think fans like you who cheer for a guy like BC who has been clearly off his game for past 2 years are main problems of this Raptor team.

          • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

            I’m not “cheering” for BC, what does that even mean. Are you saying you’d rather have held onto Barbosa for the rest of the season?

            Also, NOBODY WAS OFFERING THE RAPTORS A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR BARBOSA! If they were, BC would have made the deal. This should be common sense. Plus the Cavs took back Walton’s contract.

            And no, a 2nd rounder isn’t much, but saying “well, the last 2nd rounder was Alabi so the next one will suck”.. makes no sense.

            Basically, it seems you think BC should have either

            1. Made a trade nobody was offering
            2. Held Barbosa, no extra 2nd rounder, more wins this season

            Blaming me, though, that’s hilarious. I judge each move one at a time, and this one makes sense if it’s the best BC could do.

      • Statement

        The Cavs had to take back Walton too.

    • Lorenzo

       But Sessions did go for a first-rounder…

      • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

        Wait, did Sessions go for a first rounder straight up? 

        Nope. They took on salary, something BC said he would not do. You would take Walton’s terrible contract to get the Lakers first rounder?

  • FAQ

    Obviously, Barbosa told his friend Colangelo that he would not be returning to Toronto next season, and wouldn’t mind being traded to a  playoff team.

    The trade was a no-brainer, and playoff teams probably weren’t offering BC much else in exchange for Barbosa.

    Now if BC can trade away Jose and Bargs…. in the race for the bottom.

     Besides, the tribal honking morons are still supporting the team and MLSE is raking in the $$$$$ from Morontonians.  BC is going to really fatten up his executive bonus this season showing MLSE more profit..!!!

    • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

      So you support bandwagon fans? We should only show up when the team is good? Cool man.

      Personally, I enjoy that this year’s team plays really hard on most nights – the players aren’t the ones putting the roster together.. Casey has changed the culture and I’ve been to a bunch of entertaining games (Lakers, Spurs, Memphis, etc). 

      I think it’s hilarious that you are calling me a moron for going to the only NBA games I can see in person. But I wouldn’t expect anything different from you.

    • CJT

      Ya who would have thought the Fans would support their team?  F’ed up. 

    • Tinman

      soooooo  obviooousssss

  • Rob

    Ha, Barbosa on the same team as Danny Granger? Remember last season when they almost got into a fight after that late-game layup attempt by Barbosa? Should be awkward lol..

    • Creebrave

      Granger just “forgave him for all his transgressions” on twitter lol.  Ah the ego…

  • Jake

    Cavs got a 1st round pick for Ramon Sessions from the Lakers. Can be make any comparison to what Cavs got for Sessions and what we got for Barbosa? Or is it completely different?

    • 2damkule

      that’s not the entirety of the deal (it includes eyenga (sp?) going to LA, and walton going to CLE (LA isn’t using odom’s TPE)…and check the protections.

      and no, not really.  lakers have no interest in barbosa, they need a PG, and got a pretty damn good one (though i’m not sure how he’ll mesh with kobe…sessions kinda/sorta needs the ball in his hands to be effective…doesn’t exactly play to the lakers’ strength).

    • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

      Sessions is a better player, and he’s a true PG (huge need for the Lakers). That’s the difference.

      Would you have traded Calderon to LA for a pick and cap space? That’s probably the type deal they were offering BC.

      Plus the Cavs took back salary

    • Raps4Ever

      The comparison stops at the Lakers were looking for a PG upgrade that can start for them in the playoffs, rather than a SG backup that will spell Kobe for a few minutes of rest in the playoffs.

    • Nilanka15

      Sessions is signed until next season (assuming he picks up his player option).  he gives the Lakers more than a full season of his services.

      Barbosa’s contract expires this season.  He provides the Pacers with just 2 months of his services.

      • Destro

        yes but its HIS option,he can have a nice seasons end and playoff and opt out and then essentially its the same sitation as barbosa’s…

  • http://twitter.com/Liston Tom Liston

    Sounds like they have to take on Walton’s bad contract.  Walton has a 9.1 PER (5.1 last year) and is owned $6.1M.   Lakers also have right to swap Cavs (via Heat) pick next year.

    Not apples to apples.  I wouldn’t want the Raptors to take that contract on.

    • Sam Holako

      The Cavs also have to pay Walton a $500k trade kicker for the privilege of his services, as well.

    • Jeff

       Why is it such a bad thing when you have room to take a salary back which will expire next season anyway if it gets you another first round pick !!! It is not like we are going out there trying to get a high caliber FA this summer !! and that we need the money and the room and …

  • Lambda

    We don’t get a TPE. We’re below the salary cap.

  • Jasonpulver

    NoW thAt there is extra cash can they make a better offer the Wilson Chandler?

  • ScottSegal

    This helps our drop into a better lottery position

  • Raps4Ever

    As much as a 1st rounder may have been more desired, it’s very unlikely that was available. No negatives about this deal at all, unless you’re dumb enough to think there was a playoff spot within reach, and that would have been worth a damn. 

  • Dawsonb1

    Not trying to jump the gun here, as a good tournament could really put his stock on the rise, but Kris Joeseph is Draft Expresses 61st overall prospect. Would he potentially last till that Raptors pick?

  • John

    Barbosa for 2nd round pick !!! Gotta love BC and the job he is doing. A 5 year old could have done this deal. Damn, BC, you are the F** Man :)

    • Steve

      Picket fence guy hoped it would have been Bargnani for the 2nd round pick instead of Barbosa.

  • Raptorboy

    Thanks for your services Leandro. You were excellent in a Raptors uniform and many fans would welcome you back (for the right price) next season. We could use your playoff experience on our revamped team!! True professional who played hard and never whined during his time in T.O.

    • mountio

      Agree with that. Short time here … but a true pro and brought excitement to the game every time he was in. Wish him well.

  • John

    Drik Fisher and 1st round pick for Jordan Hill ????!!!!
    Thank you BC :) Thank you very Much …

    • Nilanka15

      Why would the Raptors want any part of this deal?

  • Nilanka15

    “while it may not have been what people were expecting this is about
    right for what Colangelo and the club were looking for at the deadline:
    picks and flexibility. While neither asset acquired necessarily changes
    the course of the future for the club it offers the team more than they
    would have gotten had they just let Barbosa expire in July. It’s all
    part of a bigger picture, and while the payoff can be hard to see today
    it will be a lot clearer once the team starts taking wins seriously
    again next October.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=390423

  • Amir

    Guys at NBA.com were talking about Barbosa and Pacers now and said, it was a great deal for pacers :) and more of Salary dump for Toronto.

    • Nilanka15

      It’s a deal that benefits both teams.

  • http://twitter.com/DanSports Dan Levine

    This makes the Raps worse this season. I can’t see any other downside to the trade (unless you think there was a better deal on the table for Barbosa). In fact, wait.. isn’t that an upside??

    But compared to many other teams (who are better this year than Toronto), the situation isn’t all that terrible (if managed correctly).

    At least the Raps now have 2 high first rounders (including Valanciunas) and 2 second rounders heading into next season. And cap flexibility. And a very good coach.

    BC still has to manage those assets correctly, but it’s not like the team CURRENTLY has no direction. For years, you could say BC went halfway in, always fighting for the 8th playoff spot.. at least right now you can understand the direction they are going.

    Of course, some people here are sure to disagree. All i’m saying is the current situation is very promising IF managed correctly going forward. You can’t ask for much more than picks and cap space for a rebuilding team that’s bottoming out.

  • Raptor

    Pacers was one of the winners based on NBA live show :) 

    • Nilanka15

      We likely won’t know how well we fared in this deal until the end of NEXT season.

  • Statement

    Denver just traded away Nene for Javale McGee.

    I know McGee will get the lions-share of playing time….although part of me wants to the see the beast that is Kenneth Faried unleashed,

    Free Faried.

    • Nilanka15

      I see more potential in Faried than I do Tristan Thompson.

  • Statement

    The lakers got Sessions but had to take back Walton and KAPONO.  Walton’s contract extends for another year.

    At first blush, I didn’t like the Barbosa trade, but seeing what Cleveland had to take back to get a late first rounder (Walton, Kapono).  I’m able to feel better about Barbosa.

  • Raps15

    Maybe we can re-sign him next year.

  • Creebrave

    If Oden is waived like they are reporting… who takes that flyer and should the raptors put themselves in the mix?

    • Brian B

       Oden is a year away from playing if ever, about to have more surgery (microfracture).

  • skeptical

    Trade is kind of a waste, but so is the season. My guess: Barbossa wasn’t staying anyway so the short-term salary dump doesn’t hurt, we’re tanking already so the drop in talent doesn’t matter, and getting a 2nd rounder is (technically) better than nothing.

    The only question seems to be whether a better pick could’ve been nabbed in return… but there is absolutely no way for me to know that.  With his contract almost up anyway, I sort of doubt it.

  • Copywryter

    Is there still time for Colangelo to add himself to the Barbosa deal? I don’t see him in our long range plans either.

  • CantDL

    the raptors cant even draft in the first round. 
    Rafael Araújo,
    Charlie Villanueva,?
    Andrea Bargnan i?

    • Nilanka15

      Araujo and Charlie V. weren’t even Colangelo picks.

  • NyAlesund

    BC wanted and wants to lose more games from now to the end of the RS and have more space under the cap. Stop. So we are going to see horrible games.

  • Ion66

    All the other stuff aside, I just really enjoyed watching Barbosa play here. He made watching a few games fun that shouldn’t have been. I’m a fan and I’ll miss having him on the team. I said the same when we lost Reggie Evans. Even if we didn’t win the game(s), I was entertained watching the plays they made and the effort they gave. All the strategy and trades and 2nd guessing etc. doesn’t change the fact that when I turn on the TV, a big part of why I tune in is to see our players make exciting plays. I’m probably in the minority, but I’ll take a reasonably competitive team that is fun to watch over a more competitive one that just goes about it’s business. A good game should have you yelling… “Did you see that??” Barbosa gave that….sometimes in frustration…often in a good way.

  • P00ka_is_a_fish

    Barbosa gets traded 170 comments, when was the last time an RR piece had this many comments