Just two short months away!

Hey there, RR faithful!

Guess what? It’s time for you to be heard! Not individually, of course…that would be silly. But you can have a face-less voice in a chorus of the collective readership!

What the hell am I talking about?

Well, you may have noticed that the Raptors’ season is over and, as such, there isn’t a whole lot for us to talk about here while the “good” teams keep playing games in something called “the playoffs.” Rather than let the site die down or have Arse blow his brains out trying to formulate daily content right now, I hatched an idea to at least keep us all somewhat interested in the Raptors while we stew menacingly with plots of tearing EVERYONE’s ACL outside of Toronto so that WE could have a playoff game or four.

Again, what the hell am I talking about?

Here’s what you and I, all of us together, are going to do:

The Raptors Republic Reader Rankings / Mock Draft (aka R^4 Draft)
We are going to create a collective rankings for draft prospects from the Toronto Raptors perspective. Basically, we want to create a draft board in the event that we win the lottery and pick 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, stay in our current #8 spot, or move down as far as #11. So we’ll need to rank the top-11 players, but to make it tidy we’ll do the entire “lottery” of 14 players.

What you need to do – Send an email to [email protected] with the subject line “R4 Draft”
What to include – A numbered list from 1-14 of who you would like the Raptors to draft.
How to choose – However you want, really. Don’t worry about who may/may not be available when we pick, because we don’t know when we’ll pick yet. Rank the top-14 guys you’d like to see the Raptors take, in a perfect world.
Submissions are due – I’ll start to compile the results on Monday, so please submit no later than Sunday May 6.

At the beginning of next week, I will take all of the lists and merge them into one master list, giving 14 points for a #1 pick, 13 for a #2, etc, down to 1 point for the #14 on a list. A player’s total points will be summed up, and the rankings will be determined, giving us the Raptors Republic’ collective rankings for the draft. From here, we can discuss, explain, and berate each other, since we’ll know that we’re either a) not alone in our opinions or b) the only intelligent person to use this site.

In the meantime, feel free to respond to this thread with your initial thoughts and comments, and post your own list for all to see if you want (because again, the lists will be amalgamated, not posted individually). But please email them as well, because I won’t be pulling them from the comments for tabulation.

And hey…I happen to have it on good authority that Bryan Colangelo frequents this site (he likes Arse’s photoshops), so this list will probably end up being the actual board the team uses in June. Let’s draft!

  • jeff_hostetler

    Like the idea!

    Swish Scout has comprehensive breakdowns of most players, videos included. I recommend it for people to help consolidate their lists.

    • Cameronavondale

      People are gonna get grumpy if you shill too much on this site.

      • Cameronavondale

        Not that it is a bad site or anything. I am really digging it at the moment.

  • Brian B

    I thought Toronto can’t drop lower than 11th – at most 3 losers jumping over the 8th worst record?  so why rank to 14th? 

    • Nilanka15

      Probably just for the sake of completeness.

      • http://theondeckcircle.net/ Blake Murphy

        Yup, exactly. plus there’s always the chance they grab another pick somehow. Just thought it made sense to round out the lottery.

    • TheR3dMenace

      BC may trade up/down.  I mean, how the lottery works, the Raptors can’t even land the 4-7 spots.

    • nottheendoftheworld

      Also, if you’re not going to rate an otherwise consensus pick in the top 8, you need to justify where exactly they DO go.

  • AB7.38pt.on.CB4

    If BC can’t get Davis,Beal,Barnes or MKG via draft,next second  will send Ed Davis + pick for a true shooter. The Team needs experience for the PO run.

  • Nilanka15

    Here’s my list:

    1.   Anthony Davis

    2.   Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

    3.   Bradley Beal

    4.   Thomas Robinson

    5.   Harrison Barnes

    6.   Perry Jones III

    7.   Andre Drummond

    8.   Terrence Jones

    9.   Jeremy Lamb

    10. Kendall Marshall

    11. Jared Sullinger

    12. Damian Lillard

    13. Tony Wroten Jr.

    14. Quincy Miller

    Now obviously, there are plenty of players who are rated higher who are left off my list.  But I just wanted to capture the 14 players who I would want in a Raptors uniform next year, while ignoring the possibility of drafting the “best player available” for the purposes of trading.

    If we luck into the top 3, I’d be ecstatic.  But I can’t say I’d be terribly disappointed with any of the players in the 4 through 10 range either.

    • Aristides

       Terrence Jones? Isn’t he a duplicate of JJ?

    • hyperdouche

      The more I read about Beal, isn’t he a duplicate of DeRozan? Seems like he can’t shoot 3’s.

      • Jay.M

        What? Shooting is actually his best trait, mechanically sound smooth stroke.

        • hyperdouche

          Yeah, I dunno. I read some Reggie Miller comparisons and was excited about the possibility from deep, but lately been reading a lot of ‘jump shooter with good stroke’ comments and DeRozan came to mind. Athletic, good jump shooter, no 3 range. I don’t see him in a Raps uniform anyways given their investment in DeRozan and all the other needs.

          • Jay.M

            Don’t know if DeRozan would be in way of drafting Beal, I read he could play some PG so they might be able to co-exist. Beal is the better talent though, and I’d be happy to get him if he fell to us, which I doubt.

      • Biggz1492

        Beal is THE perimeter threat the raptors need…i mean he can penetrate interior defense, but most of his game comes from the perimeter,im just wondering where u read that he cant shoot…whoever wrote it needs to be shot

      • Nilanka15

        Beal exceeds DeRozan in a number of categories (ball-handling, shooting, defence, rebounding, passing, etc.).

        • voy

          Beal’s body type concerns me a little.  Dont really like my 2s looking like linebackers.  Maybe he can make it work for him, though.  Looks a little like Mitch “Rock” Richmond.

          • Nilanka15

            Are you afraid he’ll gain too much weight as he ages?

            Those slim-fitting Gator jerseys probably make him look bigger than he is.

            • voy

              I dunno.  ideally I’d like my 2s to be a little more explosive.  I haven’t seen a lot of his games so I dont want to be too critical.

          • Beaverboi

            I wouldn’t mind if Toronto ended up with a player like Mitch Richmond. We could have our own Run TMC.

  • sleepz

    1) Anthony Davis

    2) T. Robinson

    3) A. Drummond

    4) H. Barnes

    5) B. Beal

    6) J.Lamb

    7) Michael Kidd Gilchrist

    8) D. Lilliard

    9) A. Rivers

    10) P. Jones III

    11) T. Wroten

    12) T. Jones

    13) Q. Miller

    14) K. Marshall

    For Raps, I would be estatic or very happpy with #1, #6, #9, #11, or #13
    Content with: #2, #3, #4, #5, #8
    Is there more to life and being a fan of this team?: #7,#10,#12

    • voy

      I considered Terrance Jones.  He’s got a huge body for a sf.  I couldn’t get a feel for his skill set though.  At times it looked like he had excellent sf skills, other times I wasn’t so sure.  He could be really good value at anything after the 10 spot.

      • Nilanka15

        The thing about all of the Kentucky guys is that on any other team, their usage would’ve been much higher.  A guy like Terrence Jones, if he played for Washington (for example), could’ve potentially dominated without having to share the ball/spotlight with Davis or MKG.

        • voy

          I also look at it, though, from the other side of things like on any other team T.Jones probably would have faced better defenders and not have enjoyed the spacing he enjoyed with Kentucky this year.  I agree, guys like MKG and Anthony Davis would have put up better numbers on a team where the focus wasn’t as evenly spread.  However, I’m not entirely sure that would be the case for T.Jones, in my opinion.

          • sleepz

            That’s how I feel about MKG. On another team he’d put up lager numbers but the flaws would have been way more exposed and he would have had to play more like a true 3. Conversely I feel his presence didn’t help T.Jones game at all.

            This draft is going to be interesting

        • Jeev

          Or he could’ve dwindled to mediocracy because he wasn’t playing beside Davis and MKG. What’s more valuable from a Raptors perspective on Terrance Jones is that he has the ability to play beside a star (noting that he’s likely not a potential superstar e.g., Davis).

          Also drafting Jones is basically making Ed Davis redundant, but thats not a big deal cause I would hazard that Ed Davis has some trade value considering his age. 

          Either way we need a PG/SG or a SF this draft year. 

      • sleepz

        He just wasn’t as consistent this year. Last year was a better year for him to showcase his skills at the 3. This year with the influx of talent at kentucky he kind of got lost in the shuffle at times.

        Plays a bit ‘upright’ at times but definitely has small forward skills.

    • Thornbury

      You wouldn’t be happy with MKG? I am shocked to see any five ahead of MKG, but, especially shocked to see Lamb ahead of him. You must know something the rest of us don’t.

  • Theswirsky

    1. Anthony Davis

    2. Jared Sullinger

    3. MKG

    4. Bradley Beal

    5. Andre Drummond

    6. Thomas Robinson

    7. Perry Jones III

    8. Harrison Barnes

    9. Kendall Marshall

    10. John Henson

    11. Damian Lillard

    12. Jeremy Lamb

    13. Terrence Jones

    14.  Meyers Leonard 

    Trade anything and everything other than JV to get into the top 5.

    • Nilanka15

      Very high on Sullinger, eh?  All I see is Sean May, lol.

      • Theswirsky

        yeah I’ve read those comparison… but Sullinger is a couple inches taller (6’10 vs 6’8) and has a much better offensive game

        • mountio

          Where are you getting 6’10 from. I read 6’9 everywhere (realize thats only a 1 inch difference) – but watching him play, he seems to play “shorter”. He gets his shot blocked all the time in college (or is able to draw a foul by using his size(weight) and strength to throw himself into defenders). That may work in college, where guys are weak and short .. but he will get eaten up in the post in the NBA …

          • Aristides

             If you watch him play, Sullinger has very long arms that allow him to get even put-back dunks and dunks from standing position. Plus, he has the advantage of being able to put his body into the defender and preventing the block. There’s no way he’s not a 15/10 guy in the league, at minimum
            .

            • mountio

              Could not disagree more. I think its more likely hes relegated to scrub time within 2-3 years. 15/10 is a HUGE HUGE longshot (<1% type longshot ..)
              We will see….

              • Douglas_oakwood

                I would agree that Sullinger is going to have to change his game but if you watched him play in college you might have noticed he has shot making ability.  He has a face up game, range on his jumper and is a pretty good ball handler.  I agree that he isn’t going to be a Superstar but Sullinger turning into a David West type guy isn’t crazy.  You have to remember that lots of teams played centers on him etc. as he was Ohio St. best player.  He isn’t going to be a #1 option in the NBA and will be able to score in the post 1 on 1 against a lot of players.  Another comp that comes to mind is Carl Landry which while not a star is a very good post player.  I think Sullinger is better.  I know David Thorpe loves him and that counts for a lot with me. 

                If he’s there at 8 and Perry Jones III isn’t.  I’d take him over the PG’s or Lamb etc.

                • mountio

                  I agree that West is his upside. But hes a LOOOONG way from having the consistent jumper / offensive game that West has.
                  He did make some strides from totally fatty that just dominated due to being bigger than everyone inside to showing a little bit of skill in his sophomore year (including hitting the odd 15-18 foot jumper). Im just not convinced he fits in the NBA as guys like Landry / West are at least athletic (albeit undersized) .. where as Sullinger isnt quick, cant jump …
                  If some other team wants to experiment .. thats fine. But for the raps, we need a guy that has a chance to be an impact player .. that is NOT Sullinger to me

          • Theswirsky

            “Measured 6’10 with a 7’1 wingspan at the 2011 Amare Skills Academy”

            have him listed at nbadraft.net as 6’10” and at draftexpress aswell.  (although draft express has him at both 6’9″ and 6’10”) 

            • mountio

              nbadraft.net says he is 6’9″ in shoes a few lines above where it says 6’10”.
              So – i guess these sites arent perfect.
              Anyways – nbadraft.net has A Davis at 6’10’ and having watched the two play .. there is no doubt that Davis can play five in the leauge and Sullinger will stuggle to play 4 (let alone 5) ..

              • Theswirsky

                you need to remember that some of those measurements are from previous bios. (from his freshman year)

                While they may have measured wrong at the skills competition, I highly doubt he shrunk

                • nottheendoftheworld

                  All you need to know that he’s an undersized PF, and an underskilled SF. I like his game in college, but he’s a serious risk in the big show. Best case scenario if he works his tail off is ‘Tone Davis. Good piece if on a good team.

    • sleepz

      Bold move at #2. You haven’t had enough of Corliss Wiliamson already being a Raps fan? lol

      • Theswirsky

        Corliss was significantly shorter aswell (6’7) and again, not nearly as gifted offensively

      • Aristidestj

         I don’t understand why people keep making this comparison. It’s way off target.

    • Brian B

       hard to accept your trade up to top 5 advice when you have TRob ranked 6th- he is likely to be a beast in the league, and because of the added maturity, might have impact sooner than ADavis. Definitely a better prospect than Sullinger. A safer bet than Drummond. A perfect banger to compliment AB & JV in a three big rotation, or to package in a trade for a wing or PG.

      • Theswirsky

        Just not as high on Thomas Robinson as most.  He probably is a safter bet than Drummond, but Drummond is hard to pass on just because his ceiling is ridiculously high (Dwight Howard). 

        Drummond is the high risk high reward pick.

    • Rob

      Surprised you have PJ3 so high, another lethargic big man.

    • mountio

      WOW! Sullinger at 2! No wonder we disagree so often! Hes got bust written all over him. Big bay, Sean May, Corliss, the list goes on ..
      Hes the only guy I absolutely do NOT want the raps to pick. For what its worth, I dont think hell go top ten and I dont have him in my top 15…

    • Mantcore13

      If you want Sullinger, Raptors don’t need to get into the top5, even our current pick is little too high to draft him 😀

  • voy

    1.  Anthony Davis
    2. Andre Drummond – taking him second for the purposes of trading him
    3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    4. Harrison Barnes
    5. Jeremy Lamb
    6. Bradley Beal
    7. Perry Jones
    9 Thomas Robinson
    10. Kendal Marshall
    11. Damian Lillard
    12. Arnett Moultrie
    13. Austin Rivers
    14. Terrance Ross

    • sleepz

      Thought about including #14 in my top #12 but backed away after putting the other Husky instead. I like that pick at #14 though.

      Interesting drop on T. Robinson, which might indeed play out come draft time.

      • voy

        Yeah, with Robinson I just dont see an impact nba power forward.  I think he’s too small and in college he relied more on either out-muscling defenders or getting alot of his buckets on the fast break.  I’m sure he’ll still be excellent on fast breaks in the nba but I think his halfcourt game will suffer.  I may have put him a notch or two higher if we were in need for another pf but I dont think there is enough of a probability that he’ll be a ton better than the ED/Amir combo to draft him higher.

        The only reason I took Drummond #2, (even though he has zero basketball moves) is because he is such an athletic freak and he’s still very young.  I dont think he’s the best fit for the Raps but I think you’ll be able to move him no problem.  Plus, there is no one after Davis I dont have significant concerns about.

        The only big that intrigues me a little is Moultrie.  Granted, I haven’t seen him play in a game but he looks really athletic.  From the videos I’ve seen, he seems to move effortlessly for a big guy and his frame shoulder to shoulder is pretty wide so I think he can continue to pack on some muscle.  I dont know if anyone else has seen him play and have other thoughts.

        Ross over Wroten.  I think Wroten’s shooting has a chance to hurt him the in the draft.  Ross is a better shooter and that is what we need.  I know you go best player available but, really, I think its essentially a toss up between the two.

        • Brian B

           pundits generally agree, FWIT, that rebounding is the skill that translates best college to NBA & TRob is an impact rebounder, with a man sized body- lots of muscle to mix it up down low. I see him as a huge defensive presence, with offence as a bonus.

          • Douglas_oakwood

            I think the issue with Robinson is his height.  I think he will defend the post and rebound well but I doubt he protects the rim.  He would be nice player next to a shot blocker.  I don’t like him in Washington for instance next to Nene.  He would be great next to Okafor in NOLA. 

        • sleepz

          I know many other people who feel the same way about Robinson and I like the analysis on why Drummond would go top 2. It makes sense and a team that drafts him would have no issues in finding trade destinations for him. I never thought about that before.

          Ross is a better shooter than Wroten right now, no doubt. The only thing is that if you can look past the asst-turnover ratio for Wroten (which is a serious look-past I know) I think his ability to create and eventually distribute will make him a better well rounded player in the future as he’ll be able to make players around him better. I’m all for taking those kind of players in the draft, even if they have flaws in their game or things to work on. 

    • Bendit

      #8?

      • voy

        haha!! nice catch Bendit.  Jeez (slaps forehead)…

        I gotta think about it.  Maybe Terrance Jones.

    • Biggz1492

      Good to know im not the only guy that would take Lamb over Beal…I know he needs to bulk up a bit but I have a good feeling about that kid, i would have no problem with takin Beal if Lamb is off the board by time we pick though

      • voy

        I like Lamb alot.  I think he is a better shooter and ball handler than Beals.  I also like his body type more for a 2 guard, than Beal’s.  I think Lamb has a higher ceiling than B.B.

        • Douglas_oakwood

          You like the 6’4″ 185 lbs. body type for a SG in the NBA huh?  Interesting.

  • Brian B

    1)Michael Kidd Gilchrist
    2) T. Robinson

    3)Anthony Davis
    4) Kendall Marshall
    5) B. Beal

    6) H.Barnes

    7) A.Drummond

    8) D. Lilliard

    9) A. Rivers

    10) Jae Crowder
    11) J.Sullinger
    12) J. Lamb
    13) Darius Johnson-Odom
    14) Q. Miller

    Could not resist being the contrarian again re: ADavis, and generally weighting by need – MKG would impact this team more immediately. Integrating ONE raw big (JV) is enough, and I don’t trust BC to trade for value if he makes moves to unplug the logjam up front. Also weighted wings and PG higher than their overall talent in the pool.

    I know most mocks have Crowder in round two, but I see him as the sleeper of the draft – a Kawhi Leonard/K Fareid clone that would be able to rebound and defend multiple positions, and provide bench scoring. If, as Draft Express predicts, the Raptors took Kevin Murphy ahead of Crowder, I’d scream- Murphy is a one dimensional shooter.

    Also saw lots of Johnson-Odom playing and like his energy. Sure he’s undersized, but at 22 years old can step in immediately as a second unit combo guard. Stayed away from Wroten cause of the head case rumours.

    • sleepz

      Even weighting by need what area could MKG impact more than Davis? Defensively we know there is no other player in college ball that influences defence more than AD.

      On the offensive end, MKG is more raw than any of the top 10-12 rated prospects other than Drummond. He finishes on the break and in transition (Raps don’t run) and on putbacks (could help there perhaps).Like the contrarian vibe, but MKG #1 and Marshall top 4? Bold. 

      • Brian B

         MKG will provide the wing offence that the Raptors lack, and hopefully be a good perimeter defender. I agree he is raw, but he has grown on me- he is a consistent, high IQ high energy player.

        Marshall #4 because PG is a huge hole, and he is the most NBA ready I’ve seen. Even if JC starts the season as the starter, Marshall is a good backup/prospect.

        • sleepz

          I hear you on the perimeter d, but I am very skeptical about his offence at the 3 considering the style Casey employs.

          Marshall is also a good pg prospect as most UNC guards recently have produced in the pros (Lawson, Felton) Just concerned with taking him at #4 which is pretty high. Then again, good true pg’s are hard to find.

        • voy

          I like Marshall, probably more than most but the problem is no one else is gonna take him at 4.  If we did land the 4 spot and bc just absolutely had to have Marshall he could probably trade down and still land Marshall around the 10th pick.

          Regarding JV and Anthony Davis playing together, remember its not about getting them intergated within the year.  If it takes them a year or two to get use to playing in the league beside each other then so be it.  There is no immediate rush.  With JV and AD as your 5/4 combo you have a decent chance of your post defense being set for the next 10 years, in my opinion.  But what do I know? I couldn’t count to 14 without forgetting 8 :)

          • Nilanka15

            Agreed on the lack of urgency.  We shouldn’t be drafting players who fit best next year, but who fit best long-term.

          • Brian B

             I personally, given the Raptors current roster, would rather add Marshall than anybody I ranked lower. If that was through a trade, or because we end up at 8, or 11, and Marshall is available, that works for me. But I see nothing wrong with him as the 4th overall, to a team that needs a PG.

            How do JV ans ADavis play together unless BC moves AB?

            If BC moves AB, I’d be happy to see Davis land.

            • voy

              if jv and a.davis prove to be the real deal then you gotta move ab for another asset you need.  maybe a young-ish pg, sg or sf).  i like ab alot but this is a no-brainer and the best case scenario for the raps.

              • Brian B

                 So… does BC have a brain?

                • voy

                  thankfully for a “no-brainer” move you dont need to have a brain to understand that it needs to be done… hence the name “no-brainer.

                  Either way, BC is more capable than any one of us here.

                • Moss33

                  Brian B = R. Babcock

    • Theswirsky

      I’m not sure how their isn’t a greater need for a franchise caliber player than a sf

      • Brian B

         As I already explained, I think that trying to integrate both JV & Davis in one season is too challenging & as long as BC is committed to AB, there is redundancy. Plus, i’m not as convoinced as the world that Davis is a “franchise player”. So many “can’t miss” prospects ennd up as less. I agree, he has that potential, but I thought that the Raps have JV to fill that role?  If ADavis = Marcus Camby rather than Garnett, well, someone still needs to play the 3.

  • Raps Loyalist

    My Raptors’ Draft Board

    1) A. Davis

    2) MKG

    3) H. Barnes

    4) A. Drummond

    5) B. Beal

    6) T. Robinson

    7) A. Rivers

    8) K. Marshall

    9) J. Lamb

    10) PJ III

    11) D. Lillard

    12) J. Sullingr

    13) R. White

    14) T. Jones

    Austin Rivers could be a scoring PG with good size on defense and great range as a shooter (if Raps are drafting a PG b/c no value when they pick at SF I hope they take Rivers)

    A. Drummond or T.Robinson would be good picks but Raps would have to move Bargs if they went this direction

    Royce White out of Iowa State was an absolute beast this season and gave Kentucky’s bigs everything they could handle in Round 2.  I like him if Raps get a second pick in the mid to late teens as he could be a big powerful skilled SF in the NBA.

    If Raps want to trade their pick (assuming it is 7th or 8th) T. Evans of Sac would be my preferred target off the list of good young players likely available around the draft for a high pick.

    • Nilanka15

      I admittedly haven’t seen much of Rivers, but the few games I did see, he looked like a poor man’s Fredette (which isn’t saying much).  Also, I’m not sure he’s a PG.

      • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

        I remember watching TWJr bodybag ARivers causing him to foul out trying to guard him.

        TWJr was too big & fast for ARivers….even though Duke won the game.

        • Rick

          TWJr has the better body, is stronger, faster, and smarter than AR. He also doesn’t have the giant ego AR does, a lot more humble. 

      • sleepz

        Not as good a college shooter as Fredette. World’s better at creating his own looks however.

      • sleepz

        And also not the court vision of a 1. He’s definitely more concerned about getting his.

      • Raps Loyalist

         He’s got good size for a PG, good handles, and a great outside shot.  He does lack court vision and traditional PG skills but much like S. Curry I would rather try and teach a guy like Rivers how to pass than a guy like Marshall how to shoot.  Both are projects in the NBA I just depends what kind of project you want if you’re picking a PG in this draft

    • voy

      I remember in the Kentucky game, after White made a big bucket near the middle/beginning of the 2nd half he pounded his chest and yelled something like “I’m the best player on this floor”, looking right at the Wildcats.  From then on, it was all Kentucky. 

      Yeah, I agree he looked unbelievable for 75% of that game. 

    • Mantcore13

      Man, you’re reading my minds!

  • OnTheRightTrack

    1. A. Davis
    2. M. Kidd-Gilchrist
    3. B. Beal
    4. H.Barnes
    5. A. Drummond
    6. P. Jones III
    7. T. Robinson
    8. D.Lillard
    9. J. Lamb
    10. Q. Miller
    11. T. Wroten
    12. D. Waiters
    13. J. Sullinger
    14. A. Rivers

    5,7 & 13 would be with the intention of trading – others I would keep. Top 3 are top 3. Others are rank ordered based on best available asset for Raps at pick 8 through 11. Marshall not on here as imo he is not quick enough to defend ( we played that game before) and he is a poor shooter ( which can change, but quickness can’t).

    I’d love to take a chance on Wroten later – guy can get to the rim! or as posted earlier try to pick up Tyreke Evans.

  • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

    My top 14 pre NBA draft combine where the real sizes will be revealed because Sullinger isn’t 6’10 mabey 6’7 1/2 or 6’8:

    1. ADavis (Unibrow defends, rebounds, blocks & plays hard just what you want from a PF)
    2. ADrummond (the enigma of enigmas in this draft could be a solid pro or Olowokandi)
    3. MKGilchrist (an energy guy that plays hard at both ends) 
    4. TRobinson (muscle mass makes up for lack of height- NBA ready)
    5. HBarnes (a solid wing man who plays D)
    6. DLillard (Oakland ballers got heart he’s the real deal)
    7. PJones (a project that has NBA All Star potential is properly groomed)
    8. TWrotenJr (when his physical measurements are official he will rise like the sun)
    9. AMoultrie (an athletic freak and a nose for the basketball)
    10. BBeal (a nice skilled guard who will have to paly both guard spots in NBA)
    11. TRoss (a legit 6’6 w/o shoes, 6’7 with shoes and athletic with a J)
    12. JSullinger (how will he measure out at combine?)
    13. JLamb (physically gifted athlete)
    14. ARivers (NBA genes plus Duke pedigree- hype or the real deal?)

    • Lorenzo

      Why Beal at 10? and why Lillard at 6?

      • slivern11

        that could never happen lol

  • Draftstar

    Don’t like the idea of only showing the top 14 players. More interested in the players posters think we s/b discussing or are unaware how good they are – like J. Crowder, D. Lamb, and an explanation why! This draft is so difficult to rank that missing the best player available becomes a concern. Doing a second round mock could also prove interesting?

    • sleepz

      +1. Some in depth analysis would be great for the entire first round.

      Hard to go as deep as the 2nd round, but not impossible.

  • Rick

    1.Davis
    2.Beal
    3.MKG
    4.Drummond
    5.Barnes
    6.Robinson
    7.P. Jones III
    8. Tony Wroten Jr
    9. Lillard
    10. Lamb

  • Rick

    Anyone think that Sullinger could become the next Kevin Love? Love had the same knocks that Sullinger did coming out of college, both had similar bodies at the time, and while neither played great defence, they were both exceptional rebounders. Love is his ceiling, the question is whether he has the heart/desire Kevin Love has.

    • ezz_bee

      The big difference to me is Sullinger’s legs aren’t the same length… this to me screams injury issues down the road.

      • Rick

        Ya, I read that one leg was shorter than the other and he has to wear some prosthetic shoe to make up for the difference in length. I’m not high on him myself, and although he may have some skills, he doesn’t have the physique to go with it, and that leg issue is a problem.

      • Draftstar

        Thus the 6’9″ & 6″10″ measurement????

    • Bendit

      Heart is the least of his problems. I am quite sure that he actually meant it when he decided not to enter the draft last year because he wanted to win the championship this year and that he had promised his teammates. Rare. He was a top 3 pick last year…not this.

    • mountio

      Not at all. Love doesnt rely on scoring in the post (and never did). Sullinger does almost exclusively. Thats the BIG difference. Also, Love was a GREAT passer and instinct rebounder in college – both things translate to the NBA. Sullinger gets rebounds in college because hes fatter/stronger than everyone else.

  • Rick

    Overall, I’d say this is a pretty good draft 1-10, we could grab a really good player, and I think there are some potential superstars in here outside the top 5, gonna be a lot of sleepers, can’t wait for the lottery so we at least know where we’re picking, May 30th is so far!

  • ezz_bee

    1.   Anthony Davis

    2.   Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

    3.   Bradley Beal

    4.   Thomas Robinson

    5.   Harrison Barnes

    6.   Perry Jones III

    7.   Andre Drummond

    8.   Kendall Marshall

    9.   Terrence Jones

    10.   Jeremy Lamb

    11.  Austin Rivers

    12.  Royce
    White

    13.  Jared
    Sullinger

    14.  Quincy MillerI’m fairly happy with my draft order, but to be honest, i don’t really want anyone other than those who are in my top four.  Hopefully, we can get lucky or trade up.

  • Lorenzo

    1. Anthony Davis
    2. Anthony Davis
    3. Anthony Davis
    4. Anthony Davis
    5. Anthony Davis
    6. Anthony Davis
    7. Anthony Davis
    8. Anthony Davis
    9. Anthony Davis
    10. Anthony Davis
    11. Anthony Davis
    12. Anthony Davis
    13. Anthony Davis
    14. Anthony Davis

  • FAQ

    Most of these draft picks have the body of a man but the brain of a high school knucklehead. 

    The Raptors have enough “development” players… what they need is proven veteran talent.

    Of course, MLSE won’t splurge for real talent because they know the Toronto paying and watching fans are suckers for pain and punishment… so why spend and lower profits??

    • voy

      another misconception that mlse doesn’t spend.  the maple leafs overpaid for every veteran stiff they thought was going to put them over the top for a playoff run – ie.  Corson, Roberts, Niewendyk etc etc.  Now they’re overpaying stiffs like Grabovsky.

      Back in the good old days no one would have re-uped Antonio Davis, Jerome Williams and Alvin Williams for as much as the Raps gave them. 

      name an example of when mlse didn’t step up to pay a player fair market value when he wanted to come here.  They have a habit of over-paying rather than underpaying.

      • FAQ

        Yes…. the Raptors have a history of overpaying underperforming players … like Amir.  MLSE will just continue to wring out money from stupid Moronto hockey and b’ball fans …. soooo obvious.

    • Jay.M

      So what “proven veteran talent” would you like to see them sign?

  • mountio

    1. A. Davis2. M. Kidd-Gilchrist3. B. Beal4. T. Robinson5. A. Drummond6. H.Barnes7. D.Lillard8. P. Jones III9. J. Lamb10. Q. Miller11. Marshall
    12. T. Wroten13. T Jones
    14. A. Rivers

    Sullinger doesnt make the lottery. As Gots2Go said .. 6’7″-6’8″ seems more accurate watching him playing. Throw in zero vertical and this guy is not a legit NBA player

  • mountio

    Hopefully a more reader friendly version .. 1. A. Davis2. M. Kidd-Gilchrist3. B. Beal4. T. Robinson5. A. Drummond6. H.Barnes7. D.Lillard8. P. Jones III9. J. Lamb10. Q. Miller11. Marshall12. T. Wroten13. T Jones14. A. RiversSullinger doesnt make the lottery. As Gots2Go said .. 6’7″-6’8″ seems more accurate watching him playing. Throw in zero vertical and this guy is not a legit NBA player

  • FAQ

    Only delusional tribal honking fans could hang on the hope that a high draft pick could propel the Raptors into the playoffs.

    Just look at the current teams in the playoffs and compare them to the Raptor roster or even a future roster… Raptors might as well be a NBADL team for the NBA.

    The Raptors might contend for 8th place in 5-6 years if everything goes perfect in their development plans.  Anybody who assumes otherwise is just plain farking insane..!!!

    • ezz_bee

      Completely Disagree.  Raptors will contend for an 8th seed next year, just look at how bad the rest of the conference is.  They will make the playoffs in the next 2-3 years, whether they ever get out of the first round, now that will take some serious injection of more talent, and some luck.  But “contending” for an 8th seed?  They would just have to add 1 player of Bosh’s talent level to do that (aka Jonas Valanciunus or someone else if you don’t think he is the real deal).  If you are really convinced that the raps aren’t even going to “contend for an 8th seed” for 5-6 years, what are you doing watching them play, let alone taking your time to post on a fan site for that team. 

      With your perspective every second you spent on this web site is 1 second the Raptors have stolen from you that you will NEVER get back.  Perhaps it’s time to walk away… before they get your soul too.

      • cesco

         FAQ does not have a soul . You should know that by now .

      • Nilanka15

        I’m not sure “contention for the 8th seed” is as sure as you make it seem.

        We still have no idea who/where we’re drafting, which players will come back next year, which players will be signed as free agents, and we’re assuming the rest of the conference will be sitting on their asses doing nothing to improve their teams.

        I’m not saying the playoffs are impossible.  I’m just saying it’s way to early to be making any reliable predictions.

        • mountio

          I think we have to remember what a low bar the playoffs could be. A .500 team in the east has fairly consistently made the playoffs the last few years. If you extrapolate to a full season .. our total piece of shit team wins 29 games this year. For an 8 seed, we likely need another 12 or so. I would like to think that even if healthy, we win 4 or 5 more this year alone.
          Bottom line – im not saying we will make the playoffs, im just saying its not that lofty a goal and with a little luck its pretty acheiveable.
          On the flip side, if we suck again and get one more lottery pick, it might be the best thing for us to fix this thing once and for all ..

      • Douglas_oakwood

        Define contend…They won’t make the playoffs next year.  Do you think we are on pace to be better than Philly?  Maybe Orl takes a step back but Washington and possibly Brooklyn will be much better.  Jonas looks like a player but he’s not going to win an extra 10 games and the 8th pick is very unlikely to make a major contibution forget starting. 

        We are a year or 2 away at least.  However, you make it sound like if they can’t make the playoffs we shouldn’t watch.  I don’t get the corrolation.  Is their success supposed to improve my life or something?  obviously as fans we hope for their success.  But the notion that FAQ shouldn’t be a fan if he isn’t delusionally optomistic about their chances is garbage.  Let me spin it around on you…If you think they are going to make the playoffs next year adding a 19 yr old euro center who weighs 220 lbs. and a mid lottery pick and the hope that our $10 Mil will bring in a decent player you are setting yourself up for disappointment. 

        Bargs and Calderon are the only players that could start on 30% of the teams in the league and not many teams would be looking to go after them.  We are a long way away from seeing a Raptors team that challenges for the playoffs.

        • cesco

           The fact that you said that Washington and possibly Brooklyn will be much better than TO tell me that you are as full of crap as FAQ . How did you exactly figure that out , they won more games than TO last year but they won less games this year . Why is it that teams that have regressed are going to be better than our team who improved ? and don’t come out with the lame idea that these two teams knew out to tank because generally players and coaches do not like to tank . Also how does anyone really know how much better our team will be with the new additions ? , so what is the point of trying to denigrate the potential this team has next year and not wait a few more months and see what happen ? .  You and FAQ are better off to stay away from this site until next season start , you will do us a big favor .

          • Douglas_oakwood

            Don’t cry my friend.  I mentioned 2 but there are several.  to defend my post Brooklyn is still in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes and if they get him and Deron would they be better?  Washington didn’t tank! They won 8 of 10 after the Nene trade, have a young star in John Wall and most likely the 2nd pick in the draft.  I’m crazy to think they might challenge for a playoff spot? 

            Look at more than records before you take me on pal…I didn’t mention the Bucks and Cleveland who have better young talent as well. 

            Do me a favour and know your stuff before you start to attack other people.  If you don’t like my post don’t read it.  Do me a favour and support a single argument you make. 

            Give me one solid reason why you think this team will complete for a playoff spot?  I didn’t say I don’t like Jonas…I think he has great potential.  I also realize that a young bigman comes into the league and is a difference maker a couple times a decade. 

            I love the internet tough guys who talk crap on line.  I bet you are tough in your car too.  Keep hiding behind your keyboard pal. 

            You sound like a child but I bet your 40 and type these childish posts from your outdated computer from your rented apartment.  Your argry post smells of loser… 

            • cesco

                All I said was to wait a few more months before shooting down the hopes
              many fans have about making the playoffs  . With a healthy Andrea , JV ,
              the pick , FA/trade + CASEY , you do not know how much they can improve
              . Both Cleveland and Washington have ONE proven young talent ( Irving
              and Wall ) so they will be better than the Raps next year ? , that is a
              joke . Brooklyn does not have Howard yet , you are putting the cart in
              front of the horse in their case . A couple of teams among  Orlando , Boston , Atlanta and Philadelphia may not be as strong , only time will tell .

  • Douglas_oakwood

    1.  A. Davis  2.  Beal  3.  MKG  4.  Trob  5.  Barnes  6.  Drummond  7.  PJ3  8.  Sullinger  9.  Lamb  11.  Lillard  12.  Moultrie.  13.  Henson  14.  Jones

    1st, Beal can shoot.  I think he will be a elite shooter in time.  I think he’ll be a better shooter than Eric Gordon and is bigger and more athletic.  I also think DeRozan should be moved to SF in time and a the end of the day might not be a long term starter.  He can’t shoot with range and I doubt he ever will with his mechanics.  I wouldn’t be afraid to go big at all.  I don’t like any of the PG’s.  I see Lillard possilbly being a Jason Terry type off the bench but I would avoid Marshall like the plaque and Wroton is just too big of a wild card.  He has Dujuan Wagner or Von Wafer.  Talented but no position and low efficiency. Bayless anyone? 

    I would love to see us draft PJ3.  He reminds me of Rudy Gay going into the draft.  He’s a huge SF in the NBA with elite athleticism and would complement Bargnani’s lack of rebounding and interior play.

    I personally see very few players in the draft that can really change your fortunes.  So I’d be looking for a guy that can be plugged into a role.  Getting a solid 6 man or 3rd-4th big with the 8th pick isn’t a horrible result.  We all want a 9 time all star but it’s rarely feasible. 

  • Douglas_oakwood

    Best case scenario is Jonas is as advertised and puts up 13 and 8.  We move up to say #2 in the draft and get MKG.  Add a FA PG such as Dragic.  All that happens and we still don’t make the playoffs IMO.  Long way to go.  I’d be tempted to leave Jonas in Europe, trade Bargs and Calderon and tank again.  If we finish 10th in the East and get the 13th pick next year what then?

    • Rick

      Putting Jonas back in Europe would be a terrible idea, that’d hinder his development, and slow down the franchise from moving forward. He needs to play in the NBA next season and acclimatize to the team, the league, and the culture. 1 season for him to playing in Lithuania during a lock-out shortened NBA season was fine, but now it’s time for him to come over and play ball. I don’t personally think I can take another season of tanking, but it really depends on where we’ll be picking and who we’ll pick and what’s out there to greatly improve this team, hopefully we can add a few more  young, talented pieces to this team, which includes Jonas and the pick.

      • Douglas_oakwood

        I hear you Rick and your right that Jonas is probably better served to come over now and he should be a priority.  My concern is we still don’t have a player who can be the best player on a contending team.  If making the playoffs is the end goal the add peices plan is fine.  But do you think a team with DeRozan, Barnes (for sake of argument), Bargs and Jonas and a FA PG like Dragic is going to challenge for a ring?  I don’t.  I think we still need the star to go with those guys.  Is Jonas going to be a 20-10 guy that can lead a team in the playoffs?  I also think there is one way to get that player and that’s the draft.  We can’t sign stars because they don’t want to play here.  I don’t see the trade peices to get one either as our best player is kind of like Tebow.  Bargs is really good but you need to build around him and he’s not good enough to ask for that.  I do agree that we don’t need more youth but we need a lot more talent and I don’t see where we get it other than draft.

        Maybe I wrong.  I hope I am, but I think I’m right.  Mid to late lottery picks aren’t going to give us that guy.  We need a top 3 pick to have a CHANCE at that guy. 

        I want the Raptors to build towards a championship contender not a playoff contender.  Maybe I alone on the front.