OK, so the Raptors have two options:

  1. Sign Lowry to an extension, which basically means pay a high price based on a stretch of play.
  2. Don’t do anything and negotiate in the summer, when maybe he’s cooled off and his asking price isn’t as high. Obviously you risk losing him for nothing.
  3. Trade him now in a “sell high” situation.

I’ve always liked Lowry and would want to see him here. The variable in that statement is what exactly his market value is, and if there’s a team out there willing to overpay. That’s what Ujiri is trying to do as well and I can’t blame him. If we can flip Lowry for a starter + pick in this year’s draft, it would be a hard one to turn down.  At the very least, we should be asking the question of what his value is.

Apparently there isn’t a team out there willing to match Ujiri’s asking price and that’s likely because he’s asking for a first round pick.  This might come down to the wire with Lowry being dangled in front of a contender.  And yes, there’s always a third team involved, hopefully that team has a 2014 pick to offer. Or at least that’s what Ujiri is hoping.

  • Quest

    resign the man!

  • StabbyRaccoon

    Two things that spoil an otherwise euphoric game: injuries and trading players for “assets”.

    I’m not saying don’t trade him under any circumstances, but won’t somebody please think of the fans!

    • Shadow Of Christ

      Agreed.

  • Andre

    It makes business sense to trade him. We can FINALLY capitalize on one of our assets and make this team better in the long run.. its all about stacking assets. Thats how Houston “rebuilt” their team.

    • Shadow Of Christ

      LOL, still on that Tank Dre? Between him and DeRozan, they’re willing this team to win. No Lowry = no 3rd best defensive team.

  • Captain_Dog

    No matter what happens, I think I trust Masai to make the right decision. If a trade happens, I think we’ll get some great swag and loot in return, if not, then I think we’ll sign him back to a fair extension.

    This is the MasaiAH we’re talking about… >_>

    • arsenalist

      Careful there. I like our new GM, but this kind of blind faith led us to anointing Bryan Colangelo as the saviour as well.

      • Jamshid

        Raptor fans amaze me with these sort of Blind faith. Many of them supported BC 100% for 7 years without questioning any move. The same thing is now happening with MU. They are making MU to be a guy who has build multiple championship teams in the past !!! Come on People, Stop with these sort of Sheepish behaviour.

        • Claw

          I still maintain BC made some good moves, but it was his signing/resigning players to atrocious contracts that did him him in. He took away flexibility and then tried to dig himself out of the hole by trading for less than efficient players because they were the only ones available.

        • Abused Raptors Fan

          Who supported Colangelo for 7 years without issue?! I’d love to meet them

  • DanH

    The extension is not an option. Most the Raps can offer via extension is 7M per year, which Lowry wouldn’t dream of taking, and 3 years, which Lowry wouldn’t dream of taking. It’s between option 2 and 3.

    • arsenalist

      They have his Bird rights. They can offer him anything they want.

      • 2damkule

        is there a limit to what they can do in-season? true, bird rights allow them to match any offer (or offer him anything within the confines of the CBA), but maybe an in-season extension has different rules? they own his bird rights, but the benefits only come to fruition after July 1st? honestly, i gave up on trying to follow the CBA to that level of detail, i’m sure it’s in Coon’s FAQ, but i’m pretty lazy.

        • Abused Raptors Fan

          You can only increase a vets salary by so much per year through an extension. It’s the same reason there’s no way Rondo signs an extension with Boston before free agency

      • DanH

        Nope. Not via extension. To offer him any more than 7M, they must wait for the summer, in which case it is your options 2 and 3 that are in play.

        • DanH

          “The salary in the first year of a veteran extension may be any amount
          up to 107.5% of the player’s previous salary.”

          http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

          1) I don’t want to be a jerk, but you should do your research when posting an article like this.
          2) If someone points out to you that you didn’t do your research, at least do your research before telling them they are wrong.

        • arsenalist

          Fair enough, they’ll have to wait till the summer. You are right in pointing that out.

  • rye247

    Damn hard to trade this guy. I assume Ujiri has an idea if he wants to re-sign or not. If he wants to come back at a decent price, sign him. The only way I’d trade Lowry is if we can upgrade at the position, not downgrade with a lesser player and a pick. I wonder what kind of (if possible) deal could be made involving Lowry, our 1st rd pick(s) for Rondo?

  • samuelgbby18

    if they trade him the raptors can forget about winning the division

    • Guest

      Thats the idea…

      • samuelgbby18

        o ight i know the nets are still interested in him.

    • Shadow Of Christ

      Unless we’re getting an all star back, I completely agree

  • ScottSegal

    I guess other teams feel as I do, Lowry is playing for a contract. I just don’t see his current play to be his new norm and if the Raptors did they wouldn’t even consider trading him, they would be trying to lock him up.

    • Shadow Of Christ

      Lowry was doing this in Houston before he got injured there. It’s not like this isn’t the norm for him, it just that he’s finally fully healthy.

      • ScottSegal

        His current level of playing began immediately following the trading of his BFF Gay.I’m thinking the deal motivated him to play his butt off to be able to increase the bidders ( and his value) on the way out of town.If other teams have bought into this being the true level for Lowry, the Raptors would have no trouble moving him for real quality IMO.I think he’s fool’s gold.

      • Abused Raptors Fan

        Not quite, he’s setting career highs almost across the board, accept in rebounding. The increase in minutes don’t completely account for it either, as his numbers are better per 36 min too. The problem with Lowry is that his conditioning/health and coachability have always been an issue, whereas this year he came into in great shape and hasn’t had any issues with Casey (yet). Those 2 things come down to effort, and I’m not sure he will have the same determination next year after he signs a big contract. With DD we never had to worry, as he came out of college with a great work ethic. Same can’t be said for Lowry…

        • Shadow Of Christ

          You assume that Lowry will eventually get into it with Casey… Conditioning has been an issue in the past due lingering injuries being a factor. Again, he came in healthy and in shape. And he’s doing the same thing as he did last year… only more consistently and with the peace of mind of not having to look over his shoulder.

        • Louvens Remy

          I don’t buy this coachability crap. I truly think that he’s a strongheaded guy who has a hate on for losing and a passion for winning. This isn’t a headcase type of player. A lot of this gets blown out of proportion. He’s not Skip to My Lou, now that’s an uncoachable player. We need to put to rest the “coachability” thing with Kyle. He’s changed a ton in the last 4-5 years.

        • ScottSegal

          He could very well have the same attitude, but having run ins with Casey in a contract year would be poison in attracting a good contract from a potential team, and I’m sure his agent has told him as much.

    • Bryan Colangelo

      His play is not an the issue at all. The issue is that no team wants to give up assets for a player that they may or may not be able to resign.

      No one other than a contender wants to rent a player, and even they wouldn’t want to give up that much. At that point you have to do a cost/benefit analysis — hold onto Kyle and get some playoff revenue or trade him for a second rounder and half a bag of peanuts.

      • Abused Raptors Fan

        I was referring to a resign situation

  • Raptors Argentina

    i think Masai has to offer a decent contract, but not too high. Kyle is good but not good enough for some team will offer a contract by 2-digit year.

  • george

    Lowry is the heart of the team. he deserves 8-10 million on his contract. If calderon is making 7 mil. Come on where are we gonna get another pg from masai’s ass there is no pgs anywhere who wanna play here we can make a playoff push now yu wanna trade yur best player. The only guy i wud consider trading is amir. Underrated in the nba and overrated by the raps

    • Shadow Of Christ

      Indeed. $10 mill is a bit too much, but I’d only offer that if we wait till the offseason.

      • 2damkule

        if he keeps on as he has this season, and the team continues to win & makes the playoffs, $10M/yr would be the starting point for him on the open market. if he (and the team) exceeds expectations this year, his value will rise like a draft prospect having a great march madness.

  • Louvens Remy

    Waive Landry Fields.

    • TDotRome

      Because that’s what we’re talking about.

      • Louvens Remy

        Yarrrrr….great point. LOL

    • JayTeam

      What good would that do?

      • Louvens Remy

        If he’s untradeable because of his contract, we are going to have him on the roster anyway. Waive him, eat the contract. Free up a roster spot for a cheap young big out the D League or toiling on an NBA roster.

        • mike, prague

          If there is a man in this league who could trade Landry Fields and come out as the winner of the trade. It Masai Ujiri.

          • Jerry Garcia

            Want to experience Landry excelling on our roster

      • oioi

        we wouldn’t have him on our team anymore

    • Jamshid

      LOL, He will still count against your CAP.

    • Abused Raptors Fan

      They actually could use the stretch provision on him to distribute the remaining salary over the length of the contract to reduce the cap hit at just over 2 million for 3 years

  • Ballaballa

    I like the idea of continuing to ask for a high price…it’s agressive and at the end of the day, MU understands that it’s better to lose Lowry for nothing then it is to sign him to a crappy contract or get crappy players bacl

    • Shadow Of Christ

      I half agree… the contract is worth it as long as it’s under $10 million a season

      • 2damkule

        where did you arrive at that arbitrary number? its roundness? seems silly…he’s ‘worth’ what a team is willing to pay. it only takes one team who covets him (whether warranted or not) to set the bar, then the raps have a decision to make. if they have his bird rights, then a S&T should be possible, so at least they get something (even if it’s just a TPE).

  • Shadow Of Christ

    Lock him up for a movable 4 year, $32 or $36 million contract. Even if he does cool down, Lowry is still worth $8-9 million a season, AND should he continue to keep this going, Ujiri, as much as I have faith in his decisions, would look like an idiot if he were to risk letting him walk.
    You cannot get a replacement at PG that does what Lowry is doing now, and now with DeRozan’s minor injury, I wouldn’t risk messing up the chemistry.

    It will be an interesting 4 weeks before the trade deadline.

    • rapsfan

      I agree, wait till the off season to sign Lowry. Doubt hell say no to 8 or 9 mill a season. A trade before the offseason will hurt our chances of making it to the second round.

      • Shadow Of Christ

        Exactly. Lowry is the key reason we’re playing 3rd best defense this year. Lock him up

  • dru

    4 years at 8.5 per and lets call it a day.

    Decent price to be around an up and comer if he’s serious about being here.

    Though money talks and he’ll bolt when some bum teams gives him $11

    • Shadow Of Christ

      Exactly. 4 year, $32-$36 million deal will do the trick.

      • Jamshid

        You must be dreaming if you think he will sign a 4 year deal less than 44 million.

        • mountio

          Totally …. i cant believe the shit people are throwing around. Of course Id sign him at 7-8 mm …. anyone in their right mind would. Of course … total no brainer. As a reminder, thats just above what LF or Salmons will make next year.
          The question is …. do you have the gumption to pay $11-$12 mm, which is what the market will be (and candidly, based on his play this year, deservedly so). Its a really, really tough call.

    • Rapturd

      could structure it as year yr1. $10mil, yr 2. $9mil, yr3 $8mil yr4 $7mil.
      Then as he gets paid what he thinks he’s worth now, but doesn’t become a burden if he slows down in his 30’s

  • http://www.probballreport.com/ Stephen Brotherston

    It’s a GM’s job to trade players to teams willing to overpay – applies equally to every single player on the Raptors as they don’t have LBJ or KD. This wasn’t even worthy of a tweet.

    • asifyouknow

      Give me your opinion on this ..Am I wrong?
      The thing I like about Lowry is that he is a strong guy, wide ass type guy (nothing negative meant).
      I look for the NBA to start getting back to the old days where you could hand check a guard and put a hard body on him if he keeps on coming to the hole.
      The NBA wanted more scoring to please fans -fancy highlights types- so they let the guards get a virtual free pass to the bucket, can’t touch them.
      The NBA is beginning to realize (BIG IF) (according to many on NBA TV and such) that this is becoming a guard league similar to the Center era of the NBA.
      You going to need some strong guard types. I don’t know if the smaller( not by height) guys will last a whole season in that kind of system.

      I’m old school, this ballet dance to the bucked without consequence is hurting the overall game. But hey, I guess If I was paying 100 bucks a seat and parking and a bottle of water I guess I would say GIVE ME SOME CIRCUS STUFF!!!! lol

      • http://www.probballreport.com/ Stephen Brotherston

        We are starting to see a little push-back from the NBA on guards getting it too easy – think Roy Hibbert – hopefully JV as he develops. Lowry has the wide-body/ physical strength to still be effective in the more demanding game that’s coming/may already be here.

        There was lots of circus stuff when centers were allowed to defend the rim with a little more freedom.

  • Abused Raptors Fan

    The thing is, Lowry will probably at least regress to last year’s numbers, possibly even worse. They’ve actually done studies that show players in the NBA & MLB usually at or above their career highs during a contract year, only to fall below their career averages for at least the following year.

    Check out the article yourself:
    http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2014/0122-athletes%E2%80%99-performance-declines-following-contract-years-mu-researchers-show/

    • JayTeam

      Well worth the read.

      • Jerry Garcia

        word

    • asifyouknow

      The thing I like about Lowry is that he is a strong guy, wide ass type guy.
      I look for the NBA to start getting back to the old days where you could hand check a guard and put a hard body on him if he keeps on coming to the hole.
      The NBA wanted more scoring and fan loving fancy highlights so they let the guards (offensive side) get a virtual free pass to the bucket, can’t touch them, the NBA is beginning to realize (according to many on NBA TV and such) that this is becoming a guard league similar to the Center era of the NBA.
      You going to need some strong guard types. I don’t know if the smaller( not by height) guys will last a whole season in that kind of system.

      I’m old school, this ballet dance to the bucked without consequence is hurting the overall game. But hey, I guess If I was paying 100 bucks a seat and parking and a bottle of water I guess I would say GIVE ME SOME CIRCUS STUFF!!!! lol

  • oioi

    If he truly wanted to stay with us he would’ve notified Masai by now. Trading him for something is better than losing him for nothing in return

    • 2damkule

      or he just wants to exercise his right as a FA-to-be? see what the market values him at? there’s no reason to think he doesn’t want to stay in TO, while also maximizing his earnings.

  • Louvens Remy

    I was thinking 4 years/44 with the 4th year being a team option. If Lowry is in the top 15 best PG in the league then this is what I think he is worth. If Masai can find a way to clear the cap space to do it, I think this is what he gets.

    • ItsAboutFun

      There are so few teams that will even think of being in the running for him (majority of teams already committed to a starting PG, at least a couple of others that will have an upcoming draft pick that they want to throw out there), that I see him agreeing to an equal contract of DeMar’s, at $9.5M/yr for 4 yrs, without the team option on the 4th year. With agent taking his blood, governments taking theirs, I don’t know that an extra $1.5M, with possible loss of 4th year, would be enticing enough to him to jump to a bottom feeder that he has no chemistry with.

      • Abused Raptors Fan

        Didn’t you see Kobe chatting it up with him on the bench during the LAL game?

        • Philoveritas

          The same Kobe that was at the Leafs game the night before hangin out with Leiweke? To be honest I thought both incidents were strange and if I was a Lakers fan I would be all over Kobe for fraternising with the enemy, even if you are in street clothes…

  • golden

    Losing him for nothing is not a bad option. 2014 draft is looking overrated and 2015 draft is shaping up pretty good. Natural tank in 2015, with less competition perhaps and/or use the cap space.

    • mountio

      that makes no sense

  • sitnonDfence

    Arguably the best guard in the east right now. Plays hard on both ends of the floor and has the ability to take over a game.
    Pay the man.
    The only way I see a trade of value is if you package him with a pick and get Rondo out of the deal. As said below, its a guards league, id personally rather have a guy stopping the other guard than just trying to trade buckets with him (cough cough irving).
    (im a sucker for a charge taker :S )

  • mike, prague

    You know how Lowry had that chat with Masai, Timmy, Wayne Embry and other big bosses. What if they agreed on boomeranging him somehow? Like saying that they’ll make him look like LeBron James is Lowrys wannabe, trade him for solid pieces making us stronger contenders for next season, and then sign him back to a $45M 4/5 year contract making us even stronger. I know it’s likely total BS, but it’s just a random thought and whacko conspiracy theory which I like.

    • DDayLewis

      It always sounds like a good idea, but it almost never happens. I wanted them to do that with Jose Calderon (although I hoped they’d get someone better than Gay in return).

  • Roarque

    If KLow has become a different person,, ie the person we see and hear daily in 2014 then he is an Eastern All-Star and worth that size of contract ie $12 for 4 years. However, I have to be sceptical about his persona this season as compared to his from last year. Morning sunlight versus Noontime sunlight might be the comparison.
    So I say trade him if you can get a 1st Rounder for him.
    Then, the Raps will need a PG and that could come as a 1st Rounder this Spring as long as they also keep Senor Vasquez to steady the ship while junior grows into his starting job.
    Also, the Raps will need a PF which could also come from the draft ie their other 1st Rounder This is a longer term need and depends heavily on Amir and 2Pat as they both are good but not great players.
    Summary:
    Kyle, Salmons, and Tyler for Young and Misunderstood PG or Veteran contract expiring and 2014 1st Rounder

  • eli

    This is a worst case scenario, assuming we don’t get a first rounder for him. Its too late to tank well, so its better to sign him.

  • Hassan Mehmood Khan

    why dont we try to trade lowry for rondo , the celtics would be down to tank even harder

  • Mike

    I say keep Lowry until the end of the season. Let Raptor fans enjoy the success we are having, even though it may be short lived come playoff time. Try to re-sign him too, I don’t think there will be better PG options available. If he leaves so be it, we can fill that spot with similar PG scrubs from the past at much cheaper rate . If they trade Lowry at the deadline it would rip the morale out of the team, and it would signal to other players that the franchise doesn’t care about winning. As of right now Raptors have shown that they compete with any team in the league.