No hype doesn’t mean he’s bad.

Look, I’m in the same boat as everyone else here. I know nothing about Bruno Caboclo. You know nothing about Bruno Caboclo. Reporters don’t know anything about Bruno Caboclo. Watching a grainy Draft Express video or reading into vague physical measurements won’t help.

The analysts manning the draft also didn’t know anything about the guy. All they knew was that he’s got a ridiculous wingspan, and is Brazilian. So, in having five minutes to fill, they bandied on the spot, sputtering whatever came to mind. They cracked jokes about him being the “Brazilian Durant”, and being “two years away from being two years away.”

As fans, in our desperate need for reassurance, we snatched every word and put them in a file. When the five minutes were up, we closed the book and evaluated what we had. An 18-year-old dude with single-digit per-game averages in Brazil? What? Based on that information, expending a first-rounder on his is madness. The ESPN guys had carte blanche because we were going to hang on every word. It wasn’t like they could be wrong — no one knew anything about the guy. No one did.

No one but Masai Ujiri and his scouts. And yet, comment sections are alight with hate for the pick. Why?

It’s hard to take any person’s judgement at face value. Given that we have zero information on the guy, trusting that this pick was a good idea is simply a reflection of faith in Ujiri and his scouting team. It’s borrowing their judgement in lieu of having anything to judge. If you’re sold by Ujiri’s draft history — of which is rather decent, for what it’s worth — then without information to the contrary, trusting his decisions on the draft is your only move.

The opposite stance, that being you don’t trust Ujiri’s instincts or process, is fine too. There’s no need to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything. He could be entirely out to lunch. If Caboclo was so unheralded, perhaps the Raptors could have taken someone else at 20, and picked him later at 37? If that’s the case, there’s a question of proper asset management that needs to be asked.

And I even understand the perspective of fans who wanted to see the 20th picked used for short term help, be it with an old rookie or via trade.  In that case, be upset.

But the real reason why most people are upset is because they’re making the leap that having no information on Caboclo means he’s terrible. That’s stupid.

Perhaps that’s the downside of hype. When everyone’s watching and talking about a player, we assume he’s good. That’s a logical thought to make because if multiple talent evaluators are watching and their opinions are uniformly positive, there’s a good chance the player is good. The danger, however, lies in when we extrapolate that logic backwards to no conversation and no hype. We assume those guys aren’t talked about because they’re not worth talking about.

But consider the situation once more. He’s incredibly young and he plays in Brazil. How many ESPN scouts or Draft Express lackeys are being jetted down to the Amazon to scout players? Scratch that — how many NBA scouts are even doing that? A tiny handful? One would assume that the Spurs, who uproot talent from all corners of the globe, were in on Caboclo. According to reports, the Suns were too. Of course no one is talking about him.

And so if the ESPN/DX scouts didn’t go themselves, then their only way to rank or give an opinion of the player is through sources in the league. And if no one in the league, save for the Spurs, Suns and Raptors were in on this guy, why would they leak anything to the press? There’s value in secrecy. The media aren’t clueless about Caboclo because he’s not worth talking about. They’re clueless because they straight up don’t know who he is.

This whole piece ultimately cycles back to the same thing about mystery. We don’t know anything about him. However, not knowing his name isn’t onto itself bad. It’s just nothing. We know nothing, and neither does anyone else.

And if that’s the case, how are we making judgements about this pick whatsoever?

  • brian

    Talent evaluators/commentators had limited on Exum, but they had heard of him. I think a general rule in the 21st century is if nobody has heard of the guy you are picking at 20 in what is projected to be one of the deepest drafts in years, it is probably not a good thing. This smells like desperation and a reactionary pick after losing out on Ennis and Harris. Why get a project now when we are still developing our 3 and 5? I don’t think demar would be thrilled with this as he is getting no help this year from our pick.

    • DDayLewis

      You’re making the exact assumption I’m taking about. I think it’s silly to form judgement on no information.

      But if you wanted immediate help with the pick, I get that.

      • 2damkule

        i get that too, but the reality is, it’s very rare for ‘immediate help’ to come from late 1st rounders, even in a deep draft; not saying that it’s not possible, but i’d rather roll the dice on a guy who could be an all-star calibre talent in 5-6 years over a guy who may have an immediate impact, but that impact will be marginal and likely not long-term. i’m as shocked as anyone, but i see the rationale behind it – i’d like to think i’m not a MU homer, but i have to respect him for sticking with the guy he wanted, and not caring one iota how that would come across to the pundits.

        • sleepz

          I think we will have a better idea of what kind of pick it is once we start seeing him play. I’m neither down on the pick nor am I “Masai might know better than we do”. He’s a player that got drafted at #20 so I will judge Masai’s selection after having a chance to see him ball.

          All that being said, while I don’t think it’s wise to trash the pick, I also think Masai went out on a limb and he will have to be heavily invested in the kids development to ensure he doesn’t end up a foreign scrub that never makes it on the court.

          • 2damkule

            that’s the thing though…the majority of guys picked 20 & later simply don’t pan out into anything other than rotation guys (at best), and most 2nd rounders never make an impact at all in the L; i’m not sure what the difference is here…if he were to pick a safe college prospect at 20, and they never turn into anything, it’s no big deal, but if bruno doesn’t become KD 2.0, it’s a colossal mistake? or are we going to wait 3 years & then play the ‘well, he could have taken player x at 20 but didn’t, so it was a huge mistake’ card?

            • sleepz

              I agree that after #20 it can be a crap shoot but with the raps roster as it is and with not much financial flexibility to do anything else, Masai has to make these picks count. Based on your theory he can do no wrong whomever they pick because historically those picks don’t become stars let alone rotation guys…..but actually they sometimes do, (Spurs).

              I’m not saying it was a huge mistake and we all know 3 years from now everyone is going to do the revisionist thing but isn’t that how we often judge these things, based on it’s results?

              I’m not slagging on this pick because I haven’t seen the kid touch a basketball yet, but I’m also not of the opinion that Masai must know better than all of us so we should just support his decisions.

              • 2damkule

                well, he has seen him, so there’s that. i have no opinion of the kid, but i do like that MU stuck with his guns & picked the guy he wanted, and doesn’t really care how it looks.

                the spurs are an interesting analogy…their success over the years is at least partly due to their ability to eschew conventional wisdom & pick guys (either in the draft or off the proverbial scrap heap) who THEY want.

                • sleepz

                  It is indeed. They also have a lengthy track record to point to and have been doing that with much success for quite some time now.

                  Masai needs to show me he can do that before I can give him the benefit of the doubt. All that being, said I will still be routing for the kid and hope he turns out to be a baller.

                • 2damkule

                  as for MU…he’s already started showing some signs of that, from his draft record in denver, unloading bargs for something of value, dealing gay, etc. i don’t count many obvious missteps thus far, so he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.

        • dwnin2

          thanks ‘kule, that covers it for me, lets move on to meeting Bruno and the rest of the summer league roster

      • mountio

        Thats it. Im as long term as long term gets .. but it just seems like there were a lot of guys (Shabazz, even Mitch) that would have for sure provided solid help to the team this year and next. Hey, I hope this guy is a home run and am more than willing to wait if he is. If the rumours are true, maybe we needed to snag him now .. but I wonder if we could have traded down (with Miami?) and still got him. Sort of like the Ross argument last year. I LOVE Ross, but fact is we could have traded down 3-4 spots and likely still got him .. so why not do that?

        • 2damkule

          ‘for sure?’ how do you know? and why do we still assume that because one team wants to do something (say, trade down…or up), that other teams will simply oblige?

          • jlongs

            Because it’s that easy when you use something like a trade machine. you just input the names, and if the salaries match it’s a go…

            Seriously, how many players drafted from 15-20 make as much of an impact as people are expecting them to make for the Raps? I don’t get what there is to be upset about. It’s like people never learn that just because you are good in college, doesn’t mean you’ll make it in the NBA. And that goes for top 10 players too! What more 15-20…

            So the Raps went with the pick they wanted. People here might not agree with it, but hey guess what, these same people DON’T know any better themselves. They’re just going off of what the internet tells them, and a few youtube highlights. I laugh everytime people say “for sure” they can help. Nothing is “for sure” in the NBA draft until they step on the court as a pro and actually perform.

            Went on a bit of a rant there, apologies. The hatin’ is just nuts to me is all.

            • truth_be_told

              yup.. it’s nuts.. Last year, when Masai traded away Boo-nani and Gay, and we’re making strides after the trade, everyone was calling him a genius. Now, we drafted a prospect who is unknown to the North America and everyone is bashing Masai. All sports commentators and analysts get their reports from other scouts. Masai and Casey went there to scout on him first hand.

        • hyperdouche

          Think about how Ennis and Harris went the two picks right before TO. Have you played fantasy bball? When you’ve got a guy on your radar and he’s slipping or still there 2 or 3 picks before yours you think your plan is all coming together or whatever. Then the guy or girl before you says their name and its like a punch in the gut.

          I’m feeling better about the kid and I love the Spurs analogy, but it actually sucks to think of what could be if their ‘A’ plan went down with Ennis and Memphis. We’d be looking at Ennis, Tayshaun Prince (another SF even if Landry’s probably better) and the project Brazilian. We’d be on every pundits ‘winners’ list.

          So close.

      • Louvens Remy

        Rule of thumb: if the spurs are in on it then u know it’s a good pick. I like the pick. I was like shit at first but then I read some stuff about him and listened to Masaii and dwane and I feel better. He’s 18! How cool is that? We can now watch how the Raptors do at developing players. They are doing pretty well with Demar, Ross and JV. I have faith that this will pan out.

    • Brner

      I think a desperate reaction to missing out on Ennis would have been trading the pick or choosing an older rookie with limited upside. Before the draft, reports were that Masai had settled on one guy he was sure was going to be on the board. It’s clear now that it was Bruno. They had the dude scouted for a while, and came in expecting to pick him. The pursuit for Ennis was always going to be contingent on a lot of factors, but when that fell through, they just took the guy they had always planned to. Dwayne Casey’s press conference makes it clear that they considered waiting for the 2nd round or trading down but didn’t think it was worth the risk, so I don’t have too many complaints re: asset management.

      This comes down purely to talent evaluation. Masai went for a player with lottery potential with the 20th pick, instead of someone more proven with less of a ceiling. I can get that logic. It remains to be seen whether he’s right. William’s spot-on with this article though. The absence of information means almost nothing right now, except that Toronto was one of the few teams out on this guy. That’s really the only thing I’ve been able to take away from this pick tonight.

    • ad

      Yep and then people like jalen rose are saying teams like the raps have to swing for the fences cuz nobody will sign here.
      Im so fed up with hearing that vut it
      Could very well be true with a pick like this despite all the effort MU puts into dispelling that notion.

      • 2damkule

        rose has a point. FAs don’t exactly flock here.

        • truth_be_told

          it’s true.. i would rather flock to places with sunny days 24-7.

  • webfeat

    We’re just salty because we missed out on Ennis. I’m sure Bruno was the right pick – I’ve read that either Utah (23rd), Phoenix (27th) or San Antonio (30th) would have picked him before Toronto could take him at 37th.

    • 2damkule

      also heard OKC was interested.

  • Skeptical

    In defense of the negative reaction, this isn’t the first time that the Raptors have stretched for a pick and in many cases that hasn’t ended well. So people who are upset and lack trust in the organization might be focusing on team history instead of Masai’s history. Hard to blame them if that’s the case.

    Masai’s MO seems to be revolve around gathering assets. Hopefully Caboclo fits into that plan, even if he ends up being a long-term asset that doesn’t show immediate returns.

    • 2damkule

      i disagree, it’s not hard to blame them for being over-reactionary children. it’s the draft. no one KNOWS what any of these prospects will do in the NBA. the negative suck-holes seem so convinced that napier or any number of other prospects would have been better picks, not because they themselves know whether that’s true or not, but because the mock drafts are telling them that. newsflash – sometimes the mocks are wrong.

      • CJT

        I also don’t understand the win now comments. Win now has never been the stated goal of MU, but rather patience and development of a young core. I don’t know anything about this guy, but I would much rather take a bit of a flier on a guy who could be great than a safe pick on the next DJ Augustine.

        • 2damkule

          yup…my gut tells me that the fans most disturbed by this pick are the ones who’ve recently become fans (coincidentally timed, i’m sure, to when the team started playing well), and want to feel some short-term gratification. if you’ve been a fan for as long as some of us, then waiting a few years and hoping that this guy develops into a star isn’t that big a deal. prospects always seem more glamorous when they’re prospects, and lose some of that lustre when they become property.

          • Fahdre

            Wrong. I have been a fan of this team for 18 years. I was, at first, mortified by this pick. I mean how many times have we tried and failed on these kind of picks so I don`t blame our fan base for wanting a more “sure thing”. Also, it seem that the raptors never, ever go for the sexy pick or whats expected. We’ve been burned SO MANY TIMES in the draft I don`t even know where to begin …. However, I believe that this kid can pan out with a body and wingspan like that as well as his age. Or at least I hope…..

            • Guest

              I’m sorry but “the sexy pick or whats expected” is different how? I’ve followed the draft in almost every year since the Raptors started, and every year people say this or that team should have picked this or that player, and then 3-4 years down the road, nobody talks about how they misjudged in their prior statement. Because there is no accountability (unless you are the GM/team making the pick), nobody notices how often a team would have been burned had they gone after the so-called consensus pick. Expected or unexpected, there is no difference; you make the best pick possible, and if anyone had a monopoly on knowing who the best pick is… well, they’d be making a pretty big fortune right about now.

              • Fahdre

                Well lets wait and see I guess. To say we have a strong draft record is laughable, is all I’m trying to say.JV was the only pick in the past few drafts that I really liked. I can’t really judge Bruno because all I’ve seen are 2 or 3 short grainy videos of him.. He has the physical tools to be a star or at least a solid 3 and d type player or something like Nic Batum. That would be incredible but I don’t have my hopes that high…

            • truth_be_told

              worst case scenario, he would develop into a cheaper version of Nicholas Bantum. He has not human wingspan and active on the D, can shoot the three.

  • 2damkule

    spurstalk (forum) has been discussing him since january.

  • ad

    I’ll admit i know nothing about the guy but whats the plan here? Are they trying to be good next year because this guy wont help them with that. Imagine what lowry thinks. Cant be good. Patterson tweeted a ? Just seems like a total swing for the fences move that reeks of total desperation to acquire an impact player. They could have gotten someone that can make an impact in the next few years and acquired another pick for cash to take this project.

    • 2damkule

      isn’t playing it safe more of a desperation move?

      • Andre

        I think ad has a point. If we were rebuilding, this pick makes sense to us looking from the outside. but if we want to win now, we as fans think we should have taken a player that could help now. The thing is, we dont know who BRUNO is.. he actually DOES fill the need of a SF with size and can defend (from the reports) I trust Masai. My only thing is, they could have taken him second rd. but I bet those DAMN spurs were going to take him.

        • 2damkule

          if they COULD have taken him at 37, then they would have…but there was no guarantee, and (apparently), no deals could be made to assure that, so he took the guy he wanted when he could. the spurs were in on him, and a few other teams (unconfirmed, obv., but the suns & thunder apparently were interested to the degree they would have used their late 1st rounders on him).

          • Andre

            those damn spurs… I wanted kyle anderson to drop to 37… of COURSE not.. the SPURS have to pick him.

            • 2damkule

              haha, yeah, my guess is that the two guys the spurs were targeting were bruno & anderson, and were going to take whichever one was on the board at 30. i really thought ennis would fall to TO at 20; in hindsight, i’m as surprised that PHX took him (with plans to keep him) as i am that MU took bruno. PHX must be looking to S&T bledsoe?

          • noname

            I think that’s why masai tried to get the no 22 in a trade. So that he can suprise everyone with the bruno pick at 22 but get immediate help at 20.

        • DDon

          7 FOOT 7 INCH wingspan….and still growing? Could have gone later this year or be a top 3 draft pick next year? Masai sees him 3 times playing in Brazil? Masai and coach are blown away at a hidden workout? Summer league and training camp workouts will see whether he contribute this year or next. Good use of number 20 pick? YES.

  • 2damkule

    i like how simmons just wrote 50,000 words on what a total crapshoot the draft is/has been over the last two decades, but is still dumb-founded by this pick. gold.

    • Andre

      Simmons is not a professional. He’s a celtic fan that likes to talk basketball.. yet, I continue to listen to him and Jalen rose.. I’m a sick man :(

      • 2damkule

        for all his foibles/gimmicks/buffoonery, i find that his thoughts re. the NBA are as valid as most other ‘experts.’ the way he gets lost inside his own fandom/homer-ism is…something.

        • mountio

          Hes one of the best analysts out there, no question. Ya, hes a celtics homer .. you just need to see through that. But otherwise, he has a lot of common sense takes (including that we likely could have got the BKD by trading down).

          • 2damkule

            again, yes, COULD have traded down, but you need someone to trade with. do you honestly think MU didn’t explore that option? and who’s to say that if he successfully trades down, he (BKD – i like it), still doesn’t get picked ahead of where MU ends up picking? i get frustrated with fans who are upset that MU didn’t do this or that & forget that ‘this’ & ‘that’ need other teams to be involved. it’s even more frustrating when a supposed ‘expert’ makes the same assumption, that wanting to do something isn’t the same as being able to do something. MU wanted ennis, but wasn’t able to make a deal happen.

            • mountio

              Totally agree .. you need two to tango. Its the same as last year with Ross .. we SHOULD have traded down a few picks and still got him .. but that pre-supposes that someone in the 10-12 range make the trade. Same here, and you definitely risk that OKC or someone else takes this guy, so you would have to be comfortable with that risk and ending up with Shabazz or Mitch or whoever else you might get if BKD doesnt fall.
              Im not here to doubt Masai – DC’s comments are for sure glowing on this kid and I love that Masai played if stealth … I just wonder if he could have used that stealth to his advantage more by trading down

              • disqus_GMki1RxicD

                I like this pick. He’ll be good in the long term. We don’t need immediate help. If we needed help right away then we have a pretty crappy team to get whoever we get at 20th. But we don’t. Any player we got like a college player is going to get marginally better and help in 3 years. I

            • Andre

              I think chicago seriously messed up this draft by trading the 2 picks.. The raptors were trying to go for the chicago pick because they knew chicago wanted Ennis… but they got a good deal and went with that.. sigh

  • bobbybutler

    If a kid dunks a basketball and ESPN isn’t there to see it, does that player exist?

    I remember DraftExpress tweeting something about Caboclo couple weeks ago. They mentioned something about workouts being shut down and a possible promise in the second round.

    Spurs fans have been talking about him since January. For some reason posting the link to that forum gets my post deleted.

    He would have been a first round pick in 2015. Masai got in there before the hype.

  • Roarque

    You mean that we might lose access to Buycks or Stone if this Bruno dude gets to sit on our bench this season? Sits on our bench and becomes surrounded by the culture of the NBA? Practices with TRoss and DDR and Amir – hangs with them in the gym. Lets his wiry long frame grow and develop in the weight room? A Brazilian Kevin Durant, insanely athletic.
    No let’s not take this chance……..

  • DC

    Wise words William!

  • Mexiballer

    No Will. The reason Im upset isnt because Im making the jump that hes terrible because there is no information on him. The reason Im upset is because the whole scouting process by the Masai and the Raptors was for Bruno to be picked at 37. Which is fine. You use your second pick to take a long shot dark horse and swing for the fences and the future…thats a good pick. The plan was never to take him 20. The plan was to take take Tyler Ennis at 20 and Bruno at 37. Then Ennis gets picked by the Suns at 18 and the Raptors have 10 minutes to decide who they pick next on the board. There is still lots of talent left at 20th in a fairly deep draft. So how the hell do you decide in a natter of minutes that your long shot pick that is slated for 37 is moved all the way to 20! Thats 17 spots…from an unknown.

    To me thats a panic move. So its not just that there is no info on him. Its that he was never scouted by the Raptors to be a first round pick in the first place. And the decision to move him up 17 spots take him at 37 should have been made in a matter of minutes when it was never the plan in the first place. Draft room panic move.

    There are other things that werent considered. Like the Raptors just starting to shake the “lauging stock” of the league label and startign to gain some respectability in the eyes of potential free agents and the rest of the league. This does nothing to move us closer to that respectability and reminds people that maybe we still are a misguided franchise.

    This should not have happened and watching Dwayne Caseys presser i dont see a man that is happy with the move either. I see a coach and team player who is trying to go to bat for his GM. Which he should do.

    Again…I dont think most people have a problem with making a longing a long shot pick when you have THREE draft picks in a deep draft. But you dont use the best pick to do that!!! You have to more picks to shot for the fences.

    • DDayLewis

      From the interviews with Masai, he made it pretty clear that they didn’t want to risk losing him, so that played a part in their decision. Sometimes plans change, which they did in this case, and they had to scramble. Their targets were apparently Ennis and Harris, who were literally taken with the two spots ahead of them. I’m not holding it against them that they scrambled.

      And, it could have well been that their draft board went Ennis, Harris then Caboclo. That’s highly unlikely, but it was possible.

      Finally, whoever thinks one gamble at No. 20 makes the Raptors a laughingstock, is themselves a laughingstock. I’m sure free agents aren’t refusing to come to Toronto because this pick was made.

      • guest

        Why do you say it’s highly unlikely? I mean, unless you meant it could have been Harris, Ennis, then Caboclo, or some combination of Harris, Ennis and other players who had already been picked, then Caboclo, then sure, but otherwise, unless you believe Ujiri to be an illogical person, it is actually very likely that Caboclo was next on their draft board.

        A logical person would not pick Caboclo at #20 if there was another player higher on the draft board who was still available, simply out of fear that Caboclo would be gone at #37. That’s the epitome of being illogical. Say the draft board was Ennis, Caboclo, then Capela. If you think Caboclo is around at #37, then you might try for Capela at #20 and hope to get Caboclo at #37, but if Caboclo is taken (by OKC, Utah, Phoenix, San Antonio, etc), then instead of having Caboclo and Daniels, you end up with the less preferred pair of Capela and Daniels.

        Now let’s say Caboclo wasn’t actually the next pick on his draft board; let’s say it’s actually Ennis, Capela, then Caboclo. You hear that Caboclo might be taken, but that’s no different from Capela’s situation: he will be gone by #37 too. Ujiri would have to be a moron to think to himself, even though I’d rather have Capela, I’m going to go with Caboclo and then whoever is available at #37. In this scenario, Capela and Daniels would be preferred over Caboclo and Daniels, so why not just take Capela (or whoever is preferred over Caboclo)?

        TL;DR: If you believe Ujiri to be a logical person, then it’s not highly unlikely, but highly likely that Caboclo was the next best pick on his draft board.

        • DDayLewis

          I meant that it was unlikely that their board only consisted of those 3 guys. It was a throwaway comment. I wrote the article. It should be pretty clear that I’m not slagging Ujiri for this call.

          • Guest

            K, just making sure. =) Of course his board was probably much larger, but the relevant portion of it was probably a bunch of guys who were already taken (including Ennis), then Caboclo.

      • Mexiballer

        I did not say that free agents and the rest of the league would look at Toronto as a laughing stock just because of last nights pick. I was saying the Raptors already have a history of being a laughing stock and that this draft decision does not move them any closer to the respectability that we were starting to gain. It doesnt help with the perception that Toronto is finally getting its act together. As a fan I was completely on board with the idea of Masai at the helm and the idea that we were turning a corner towards respectability and competitiveness. After last nights screw up I am definitely taking pause and wondering if all the trust I have put in Masais steady hand is warranted.

        I have little doubt that many others are wondering the same thing about Masai and Toronto. In fact I know that’s true from reading all the fall out from the draft decision last night. People were shocked. Thats a fact. That bewilderment of that pick does not paint a good perception of respectability at this point and time for the Raptors, just when they were getting it together. That was my point.

        • DDayLewis

          He drafted a guy you didn’t know about with the 20th pick, and now you don’t have faith in the GM.

          You may need to reassess the basis of your trust in the first place.

          • Guest

            Or reassess his self-importance. “Last nights screw up”… I mean wow. That statement suggests he knows more than the teams themselves. And the moment the team starts making picks based on what the public will think of the pick, instead of the best pick possible given their own hard work and research, that’s the moment the entire front office needs to be canned.

          • Mexiballer

            I didn’t say that I wanted a GM to put up a front and appease a public image. What I was saying was that besides being a bad decision and long reach to pick Bruno at 20, there are also other implications to making this high risk decision at this particular time for this particular team. And those implications are at least partially reflected in the response that so many in the media and the public have had.

            Its not so much what the media or public think about our actual draft pick which is Bruno. Its more the idea that this organization would make such a high risk pick especially given where the team is at in its development. If it instills confidence in you and other Raptors fans, then that works for you. It doesn’t instill confidence in me.

            • DDayLewis

              And based on the information you have, how do you have any formative opinion on the pick whatsoever?

              • Mexiballer

                Ha ha…I dont have a formative opinion because I have no real information and almost no one other then Masai and a couple of his scouts have any more information either.

                I like that the Raptors drafted Bruno Cabloco. I am going to be rooting for the guy all the way and hope to hell that he plays well in summer league. Thats not the point.

                The point is that Raptors hadn’t planned to draft him at 20 and they should have never made such a long shot pick at 20. He was slated for 37. That decision was made between 18th and 19 picks last night when Tyler Ennis went off the board at 18. In 10 minutes or less the decision to move him from 37 to 20 was made.

                Below is from Josh Lewenbergs article on TSN.

                “Expecting to use the 37th pick of the draft, Ujiri promised Caboclo
                the Raptors would select him months ago and as a result, the forward
                declined to workout for NBA teams. True to form, Ujiri was not following
                along with mock drafts, he was not the least bit concerned about how
                such a pick would be received. He saw something in Caboclo.

                “He’s a talent,” Ujiri said of the 18-year-old and youngest player
                available in this draft. “I think at the end of the day we will be happy
                we picked him.”

                Caboclo was not Ujiri’s primary target. As expected, the Raptors were
                after Canadian point guard Tyler Ennis, hoping he would fall to them
                while also trying desperately to trade up for him. Ideally, Toronto had
                hoped to select Ennis with pick no. 20 and snag Caboclo early in the
                second-round with pick no. 37. But the plan changed, as they often do on
                draft night, when the Phoenix Suns took Ennis at 18, two picks ahead of
                the Raptors.”

                Thats the problem I have with this pick. Masai scouted him for 37. Not 20. And honestly..how much can Masai know enough about him anyway. He is an 18 year old kid that has never played against any high level competition.

                So you ask me how do I have an informative opinion? I ask you, how do the Raptors have an informative decision? An informative decision that puts him as the 2014 top 20 young talent in the world. Its a reach. The Raptors do not know for sure what they have. If anyone says differently its Koolaid.

                That is why they the Raptors never planned to take him 20th in the first place. But hasty decisions can be made when you are on the clock and forced to scramble on draft night.

                • DDayLewis

                  Scouted him for 37 doesn’t mean he was 37th on their board. They clearly like Bruno a lot, and got spooked near the time of the draft that other teams may poach him before he dropped to 37. So they took him at 20.

          • Mexiballer

            I didnt say I dont have any faith in the GM. I said that after last nights draft decision “I am taking pause and wondering if all the trust I have put in Masai’s steady hand is warranted.

        • Dot

          You sound so so stupid and dumb. Just because you know nothing about the guy doesn’t make MU’s pick bad. The fact is that the raptors believed that he will be gone by the 37th pick so why risk the chance for someone you see alot of potentials and upsides? Your clearly one of those people who reads alot of shit that people writes about someone on the Internet even tho they know nothing about that person. Wait til you see him play then open up your mouth after that.

    • Guest

      Not to mention the rumor was that Ujiri was trying to obtain the #22 because he didn’t think Bruno would be around at #37. So you’re angry over nothing more than your misplaced belief that you know more than Ujiri about what other teams are planning to do; considering you had no knowledge that the Raptors were going to pick Bruno at #20, somehow I doubt you knew what any other team was doing with their #21 through #36 picks.

    • Dr. Scooby

      “To me thats a panic move.” – pure speculation.

      “And the decision to move him up 17 spots take him at 37 should never
      have been made in a matter of minutes when it was never the plan in the
      first place” – pure speculation

      “the Raptors just starting to shake the “laughing stock” of the league
      label and starting to gain some respectability in the eyes of potential
      free agents and the rest of the league.” -speculation again

      At least wait until you see him play.

      • Mexiballer

        Thats not true. Its not pure speculation. Below is from a Josh Lewenberg article of TSN.

        Expecting to use the 37th pick of the draft, Ujiri promised Caboclo
        the Raptors would select him months ago and as a result, the forward
        declined to workout for NBA teams. True to form, Ujiri was not following
        along with mock drafts, he was not the least bit concerned about how
        such a pick would be received. He saw something in Caboclo.

        “He’s a talent,” Ujiri said of the 18-year-old and youngest player
        available in this draft. “I think at the end of the day we will be happy
        we picked him.”

        Caboclo was not Ujiri’s primary target. As expected, the Raptors were
        after Canadian point guard Tyler Ennis, hoping he would fall to them
        while also trying desperately to trade up for him. Ideally, Toronto had
        hoped to select Ennis with pick no. 20 and snag Caboclo early in the
        second-round with pick no. 37. But the plan changed, as they often do on
        draft night, when the Phoenix Suns took Ennis at 18, two picks ahead of
        the Raptors.”

  • plk

    I totally agree with the thrust of this article. We should all just take a step back and look at the long term implications of this pick.

    He’s 6’9″, really athletic and from the looks of that grainy DX video he’s very coordinated and moves fluidly and well. And he’s only 18 years old. Think about that for a second. He’s a kid, he’s still growing, and he’s already comfortable in his own body. When I was 18, the tall kids in my high school were all gawky and weird. This kid isn’t that.

    This is a long term pick that could very well be the sleeper pick of the draft. Or it could have minimal impact, like most players drafted at #20.

    How would I define it? Medium risk, very high potential reward. I like it.

    • truth_be_told

      Could still grow more. He’s only 18. He could be like Greek Freak

  • Daedae

    Why are you all so patient. The team has sucked for twenty years. The time is now to get better. This is another wasted pick, that will make sure we continue to suck.

    As for free agents don’t want to sign here. The reason is that we suck. Stop letting MLSE get away with putting out crap products and charging premium prices for it.

    • plk

      Do you honestly believe a different pick would have instantly made this team better?

    • DDayLewis

      Right. That’s what I’m doing. I’m patient, thus I’m letting MLSE get away with their diabolical plan to suck, because that’s what they’re doing.

      Get a grip.

    • truth_be_told

      it’s impatience that costs us players in the draft. We traded away picks for players that “helped” us and pleased our former star players. If we had been more patient, we MAY have developed a deep team. Raps is going with the right direction with hiring Masai. He won executive of the year for a reason and was a top candidate for the award last year as well.

  • Truth Teller

    Almost no reason to be upset with this pick since its a late 1st. If he made this with a lottery pick then it would be questionable. Let say in 2 years, he shows real potential. All of a sudden its a steal at 20.

  • Truth Teller

    Also people need to stop using the “Draft Board” argument. For all you know, MU could have a completely different draft board than anyone else. Everyone else (fans) are only looking at the ESPN draft board.

  • jlongs

    IMO if you’re drafting in the top 10, specially top 5, then you will probably go with someone close to his projected position. However after that, the expected impact of drafted players on their teams steadily decreases. And that’s where your scouting REALLY matters. And that’s the best time to take a gamble because any player drafted at that position would not make a huge impact anyways, so why not take that chance? What have you really got to lose? Solid bench player? Or did you really think a 20th pick could realistically be a starter on a winning team?

  • Louvens Remy

    His nickname has to be Baby Two Years

  • Louvens Remy

    He did draft Evan Fournier. We have that? I don’t care about the pick. If he balls like Nic Batum I’ll b happy. I care about upgrading the roster at the backup center spot, dumping Johnny Fish and grabbing a young discarded wing player to play D and shoot threes and sometimes handle the ball. The only player he should have drafted was Rodney Hood at 20. But he didn’t so I’m fine. I am pretty sure there is a scrap heap young center or wing player coming for cheap. Bruno Baby Two Years will be fun to watch develop.

  • santayana

    The article says you shouldn’t make judgements without information, and then proceeds to do exactly that. Why the author thinks only the Raptors and the Suns (and the Spurs, because they are, like you know, the only team that scouts internationally) knew about this guy is beyond me. Maybe other teams knew about him but decided that, while a good athlete, he still needed to learn how to play basketball and that’s why he was projected as a late 2nd round pick. Occam’s razor, people. (By the way, the Suns had the 18th pick and passed).

    The idea that Ujiri and the Raptors are at the vanguard of international scouting is pretty baseless. I can’t think of a single example that supports this. Here’s my theory: there are some guys who love the longshots because if it hits, then everyone thinks they’re brilliant. They can’t stand the safe pick, which doesn’t show off their unique insight and intelligence. Colangelo was a bit like this, going against the grain on draft day (Bargnani, O’neal, Ross). Seems like the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

  • ok

    6’9 with apparently a 7’7 wingspan so hes got the body going for him.