KLow's heart, no doubt.
KLow’s heart, no doubt.

I’ve gotta say, just two preseason games into his tenure as a Raptor, I love having Kyle Lowry on my favorite team.

A lot of terms have been thrown around to describe him so far, most of them clichés: he’s a gamer, a bulldog, a gym rat, etc. And it’s great hype for the team and I’m sure it makes for good quotes and even better copy. But the best part is that none of it seems to be hyperbole.

When I mentioned to someone with the Raptors that I loved hearing how Lowry “never loses in practice,” they confirmed that the “uber-competitiveness” is present in practice as much as we’ve been led to believe. They also noted he happens to be an extremely intelligent basketball player (this comment, of course, goes beyond simple on-court decision making).

If that doesn’t get you excited to watch him for 82 games, I’m not sure you’re much of a basketball fan. Sure, some of the publicity could be spin being put on by the team, hoping that this image as an intense winner can cover up his issues with coach Kevin McHale in Houston, but it’s also equally possible it’s all true. And you can’t really just make up demeanor, it’s evident for 48 minutes a night when the lights turn on.

So far on the court, the spin also looks to be the truth. Normally preseason games come with the caveat that they don’t matter, coaches are messing with rotations, etc, but the game being played is still basketball. The fact that Lowry didn’t want to lose a preseason game to the Knicks is encouraging, even to those who may have cringed at him diving for a loose ball less than a week returned from an injury absence (although it was a strain, not a contact injury).

This intense late-game competitiveness in the preseason is even better when you consider that Lowry was nearly inconsolable while out injured. He found it difficult to talk with the media, frustrated he couldn’t play, and went from sitting in the stands to joining in huddles in a preseason bout against the Pistons. Like Jonas Valanciunas, this is not someone happy with sitting by and getting a few days off while his teammates work their tails off.

For a team that has been cursed with superstars and leaders who at times have seemed to care more about stats and image and pasta than winning basketball games (Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Andrea Bargnani), this type of aggressive win-first leader is a godsend.

He’s probably also a kindred spirit with hard-working, defense-first coach Dwane Casey. He’s a great fit with the coach’s mentality and has the potential to be an appropriate extension of the coach on the floor, leading the charges when it’s time for a big stop or a key basket.

In Houston last year, Lowry took 513 shots. He took 35 of those in the last six minutes of fourth quarters when the score was within five points and another 12 in overtime periods. Overall, he took a field goal attempt every three minutes when he was on the floor overall and 20.6% of Rockets field goal attempts overall. But this rate increased to a field goal attempt every 2.4 minutes and 25% of Rockets field goal attempts when the game was close and late (based on my arbitrary standards mentioned above). 82games instead uses the last five minutes within five points, and using their “Clutch” stats Lowry rated well, also. But the “clutch” stats don’t even matter here, because my point is more that this is a player who clearly thrives on having the ball in his hands when the game matters the most.

We’ll see as the season progresses whether or not our best option is with the ball in Lowry’s hands late. More importantly for now is that we have someone who wants the ball in that situation, which should help to take the pressure off of Bargnani in terms of both defensive attention and fan vitriol.

There is a lot left to learn about this year’s Raptor team. We don’t yet know how players will respond to Lowry compared to the ever-sharing Calderon, how the wing minutes will shake out, or how Jonas will adapt. All we have to go from right now is media spin and just 240 minutes of play, only 192 of which were against NBA teams, and only 54 of which have had Lowry on the floor.

With so much still left to determine, a few things have at least become clear – Kyle Lowry loves basketball, Kyle Lowry wants to win, and Kyle Lowry is going to be a treat for all of us to watch and cheer for this season.

I, for one, couldn’t be more excited to call him our own.


  • Nitchka262

    It’s been a long time since the Raptors had a player with heart drive and such overt determination to win!

  • pran

    imo we’re set at PG (lowry) and C (valanciunas). that’s it.

    • Raps Loyalist

      Bargs at PF will be our best player this year.  He has a legit chance to make the all-star team if the Raps are playing .500 ball. 

  • Pstevens2

    I’m on the KL bandwagon. 

  • Roarque

    All good. One more thing they need is a guy who can make thoses around him better – 1 plus 1 makes 3.  Now this glue guy from the Knicks – if he can bring it on defense like he did against Melo in Montreal ( note the assists as well ) then I’d like to suggest the chemistry on this Raptor team has a good chance of heading into the positive zone for the first time in a few years.

  • Phat AlberG

    Kyle Lowry is flat out a beast!  I’m very happy we have him instead of Nash.  I love his make up, straight baller!  Get’s to whole at will, can shoot the J and he doesn’t hold the ball for ever.  He was a winner in college and he’s going to be winner here.  

    • Destro

      Foreal you member when everyone was on Nash’s dick in the off season lol.

      Whos looked better in the pre season Lowry or Gnash ?
      Im not a Nash hater…but hes looked pretty mediocre and he has been a disaster defensively..can you imagine if he was our PG for the next 3 yrs ? at that salary absolute disaster…BC was fortunate that didnt work out and he landed ass backwards in to Kyle….

      His initial signing was going to be a unmitigated horror show and we were gonna be stuck for the next 3 yrs because of it…

      • Phat AlberG

        Dude is it your fucking money! lmao you act like you paying for these dudes salary’s when you can’t get happy meal for dam your self.   And wtf your talking about horror show Steve Nash is a winner!  BC was going to move on Lowry no matter what!  He’s trying to get him for past 2 years 

        • Nilanka15

          Lowry confirmed in an interview last night that Colangelo made some preliminary phone calls to Lowry’s camp about possibly being on the same roster as Steve Nash.

          Lowry wanted no part of it, but at least it’s proof that Lowry wasn’t an afterthought.

  • http://peterd.mp Beagle17

    If I’m Casey, I feel I have a good “late line-up” for a change: Lowry, DeRozan, Fields, Bargnani and Amir. They would score a lot of clutch baskets, probably distributed somewhat equally among them, and not give up anything on defense really. I like it.

    • mountio

      replace Amir with JV (assuming he hasnt fouled out) and Im with ya. JV makes his defender play D (unlike Amir, where his man will sag off), and is more of a force defensively and on the boards. Might also be more likely to see one of DD/Fields swapped for someone who can shoot (Jose or Ross). Either way, its the best crunch time lineup weve had in a while.

  • j bean

    The Rockets think Lin can replace Lowry. Lin reminds me of Calderon. Could be one of the worst mistakes of the off season. 

    • Danielscott677

      Buddy you can’t compare a point gaurd that turns the ball over 6/7 times a game(Lin) to a pg that hardly turns the ball over in jose. But you are right with the fact that the rockets through away KL for a unproven pg that played 25 games.

      • j bean

        6-7 times a game? Where did you find that? His average last year was 3.6. His last game was 12 assists with 2 turnovers. I guess you think the Rockets should have made a play for Calderon. The fact that they never should tell you something.

        • Lorenzo

          During Linsanity, he had many games with 6/7 turnovers. Look it up

          • j bean

            The comment was that he turns the ball over 6-7 times a game. The fact is he averaged 3.6. Big difference. He also scored over 20 points a game during that stretch but I’m not gonna say he scores over 20 a game just because he has.

            • p00ka

              That 3.6 includes games that he played 1.5-6 minutes. As a starter, that should read 4.7, with 12 of 25 games with 6-9 TOs, making 6-7 times a game way too common, which was the point about him not being a comparison to Jose who averaged 2.0 TO’s, with only 2 games out of 53 with 5-6 TOs.

              There are other differences in their game too, but perhaps you can clarify why you think Lin reminds you of Jose?

              • unknown guest

                I’m guessing missing D? + JLin was more aggressive in looking for his own shot. JLin seems to be a PR mistake so far for the Rockets–he needs to STFU already about wanting to have been signed by NY or by missing the NY fans.

              • j bean

                Jose could remind me of Donald Duck, it doesn’t mean they walk the same or talk the same. Just something about them reminds me of the other one. Jose has his fans in Toronto who have way overblown his value as a starter. At the height of Linsanity I said flash lin the pan. They are two guys who have about the same chance of making an all-star game. Maybe that’s it.

                • Nilanka15

                  To be fair, we don’t know if Lin was a flash in the pan.  He could turn into a very solid PG.  It’s too early to conclude.

                  But the book has definitely been written on Jose.

                • j bean

                  The “flash lin the pan” was when he was being talked about as a great pg nailing game winners and scoring over 20 a game. He has fallen to earth since that stretch and won’t do the job Lowry was doing. Imo

          • Danielscott677

            Buddy thank you lol

          • Destro

            He also averaged about more points and GW`s in 25 games than Jose has had in his career….

            • Lorenzo

              Wtf? Did I say anything about Jose??

        • CJT

          I don’t think 3.6 turnovers per game on 6 assists is anything to brag about.  But the guys who are taking on a more significant scoring role like Lin did during that time do tend to turn the ball over more.

    • Destro

      How does Lin remind you of Calderon..Hes not a stay at home PG…

      • Al_Oliver

        that’s because he was a stay at someone else’s home type of PG

  • Danielscott677

    I really like KL and his aggressive nature…as long as it doesnt get him injured and he shares the rock without turning into Mike James he is good in my book. I love a pg that drives to the whole and can actually finish and gets in your mug on defense!!!!

  • j bean

    Some guys spell like a$$wholes but make the hole experience enlightening. 

    • knzyti

      write on !!

    • Danielscott677

      Lol ya i was never great at spelling but i know my basketball

  • Profster

    The best point guards penetrate and dish and Lowry does just that.  He could be an allstar this year.

    • Douglasoakwood

      Oh definitely. If Rondo, Deron Williams and Kyrie Irving die while John Wall, Monta Ellis and brandon Jennings decline the invite the door is open.

      • Nilanka15

        Don’t forget Wade and Joe Johnson.

  • Bendit

    ” We don’t yet know how players will respond to Lowry compared to the ever-sharing Calderon…”

    With the cast we have/had I dont really care how the players will respond. If all that has been said about KL’s personality, I am sure he’ll get into some grills if they disagree too vocally about how he manages touches. This team has been devoid of real leadership (when the game is on the line) since I can remember. All he needs to do is make sure he brings JV along offensively in time. They are the 2 who will make or break the Raptors going forward. 

    • Roarque

      Agree. I also think AB is going to become a much better asset with Lowry and Jonas in the line-up. Wish I felt the same way about DDR – please prove me wrong but I like players with both talent and high BBall IQs and I don’t know if our SG has both.

      Landry Fields is going to be alright in TO.

  • ZZ

    His highlights from last game

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhJ20Rz-YAs

  • p00ka

    I’m with you Blake! We still have lots to see how this pans out long term, but he’s showing as he was billed so far, and that’s dam exciting and bodes well for this season and more.

  • steve

    Stop salivating!KL will not be here for many years!

    • 2damkule

      ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE!  IT ISN’T WORTH FOLLOWING ANY PLAYER WHO ISN’T SIGNED TO A LIFETIME CONTRACT!!! 

      RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!

  • tmk

    “For a team that has been cursed with superstars and leaders who at times have seemed to care more about stats and image and pasta than winning basketball games (Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Andrea Bargnani)…”
    It’s funny, because this is the first time I think about, “What does Bargnani care about?” It surely isn’t stats or image, sure pasta is a funny answer, but what really drives him? I’m sure getting paid and the fact it’s his job might motivate him, but what the hell drives Bargnani???

  • KJ-B

    Regarding his injury and diving for a loose ball, it’s the players who hold back who tend to get injured/injury prone… So, I’m personally glad he’s diving loose balls so soon after his “soreness”/injury!

  • Buschfire

    Let’s hope he sticks around… Lowry, Calderon and Lucas are all coming off the books at the end of the season…

    • mountio

      Lowry and Lucas both signed through this season and next. Jose coming off the books at the end of this season ..

    • Matt52

       Team options on both Lowry ($6.2M) and Lucas ($1.5M) for next year.

      • CJT

        but other than that it was a great point.

  • Slap Dog Hoops

    The jury is still out on him if you ask me.  Sure he had two good preseason games, but that’s what they are: preseason games; and we should not read too much into them.  In my opinion, he’s rather undersized and looks like a season ending injury waiting to happen.  He also looks like a potential chemistry destroyer if he is forced to come off the bench because JC has started palying better than him.  I’m just saying . . .

    • Destro

      worst post of the day…

      • Tim Holmes

        We have ROTD, can we have DHOTD.

        Jeffrey is winning.

    • nba_socrates

      Totally agree with this post.

  • 2damkule

    not trying to make a comparison, but there are similarities to when JO first arrived…the games just had a different feel to them.  i’m getting the same vibe with KL.  and i like it.  

    • Nilanka15

      Let’s hope that’s where the similarities start and end 😛

  • Douglasoakwood

    As much as I want to jump up and down that Lowry is a Raptor because I like him a lot, he is a solid starter at best. It’s a commentary on how bad the Raptors franchise is that we can get excited about a player who probably isn’t a top 10 player at his position. Remember when we questioned whether Bosh was a “true superstar”? Now we’re acting like a player who averages 14 PPG is our saviour. Lets be real, If You want to have a chance at making a deep playoff run Kyle Lowry could be your starting PG….but he better be your 4th or 5th best player. If you add Bynum and Melo to this team you would have a chance in the 2nd round. We have fields and Jonas. Wow I’m depressing myself.

    • ad

      I think Lowry is a borderline all star at best but still a pretty good player. The area where the raptors are still exposed and BC has failed to deliver is on the wing. Fields is not the answer and is better suited to a bench role. Derozan is a bust in the sense that hes not going to be the star we desperately need. He lacks the fundamentals (ball handling, passing, rebounding etc.) to be an upper echelon player. He should have been traded in the offseason as Ive said many times on here. Hopefully BC will come to his senses and trade him in a package with davis/johnson and calderon.

    • EmarErozan

      Didn’t the schoene graph say JV was Dwight Howard with less bulk and lightish skin? Are you saying Bynum is better than D12 – that is heresy!

    • CJT

      Ya, adding Carmelo has done wonders for all the teams he has played on so far. 

      • Destro

        Denver Nuggets were a playoff team despite having a dumb coach and many holes…Ive never seen a player whos a 6 time all star get such a bad rap…YET were willing to praise in THIS town players who underachieve and cannot make 1….

        • Danielscott677

          Dumb coach?? Umm ok. I think he is one of the better coaches but what do i know.

          • Destro

            George Karl is an idiot….Guy doesnt make any adjustments…

            • p00ka

              This year’s GM Survey at nba dot com:

              Which head coach makes the best in-game adjustments?
              1. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio — 40.0% 2. Rick Carlisle, Dallas — 20.0% 3. Doug Collins, Philadelphia — 13.3% 4. Rick Adelman, Minnesota — 6.7% 5. George Karl, Denver — 6.7% 6. Doc Rivers, Boston — 6.7%

              But what do a couple of NBA GMs know, compared to you, right?
               

              • Matt52

                 Burn.

            • Lorenzo

              Ah yes, tell us more of your past experiences with George and his coaching staff. I’m sure you have a lot of information to grace us with.

        • Al_Oliver

          that’s twice today that I have agreed with you. wow.

        • CJT

          Who gives a crap?  Allstar apprearences don’t mean anything to me.  If he is the superstar people think he is he would have accomplished something.  He hasn’t.  Like you have said many times on here, being first round playoff victims doesn’t mean anything either.  The Suns were a playoff team for about a decade and you shat on them all spring during the Nash talk for the exact same thing you are applauding Melo for.  He is a team killer chemisty killer.  End of story.

        • Phat AlberG

          Coach Karl is a dumb coach rofl omg and people actually like your comments lmao.  Just look at what JaVael McGee has done in Denver and should was your mouth out with soap with those comments.  You don’t know Jack about basketball!!! 

          Coach Karl all time ranks in top 10 with most wins and winning 60% of games he has coach in.  Dude you need stop talking honestly because that was the dumbest comment I ever read on this site!   Coach Karl is Dumb coach wow… 

    • 300milesaway

      2nd worst post of the day…

      • 2damkule

        agree, but it’s close…both are pretty wretched.  i know we tend to disagree on a lot of points, but i think we’re in the same boat re. KL. 

        and for the record, not  ‘everyone’ was clamoring for nash…there were quite a few who felt at the time that BC should have gone after him, but given that he wasn’t a FA, it’s harder to envision making a deal (i.e. it’s easier as fans to survey the FA landscape & just pick out guys to sign than it is to look at the entire talent pool in the NBA & try to predict trades that can be made). 

        of course, many of us were pissed that he got the raps involved with signing nash in the first place, and even more so because he essentially acquired fields (via the ridiculous offer sheet) because of it.  had he simply gone after lowry initially (that deal – or variations of it – would likely have been available at any point, though there were a lot of moving parts taking place with HOU at the time, so who knows), they perhaps would have been able to put the $ given to fields to better use.  and shit, if they wanted fields, they could have waited out the market (i don’t think many teams were burning up the phones making offers) & given him a deal more in line with his ‘true’ value (whatever that’s perceived as being – prob in the $3M/yr range).

        • WhiteVegas

          If the Raps offered Fields a deal in the $3M/yr range, Fields would just turn it down as NY would offer more than that. NY was willing to match on Fields which is why the backloaded offer was made.

          Give the guy a chance, he just has to play like a $6M a year player to live up to his contract. Given his apparent chemistry with Lowry, it seems possible he will live up to and maybe exceed that value.

          • 2damkule

            i understand why they made the offer, and the reason it’s backloaded, etc.  but they only made the offer as part of their hunt for nash, which i thought was a mistake.  outside of their interest in nash, i really don’t believe they would have pursued fields, and certainly not at that price, regardless of how they’ve spun it.  look, i think he’s a decent player, but in reality, SF remains a weakness in the lineup, though i’m sure there are areas in which fields will help. 

            • j bean

              If Fields keeps playing well and can start draining his j, BC backed into a nice find. The average NBA salary is something over $5,000,000. if I’m not mistaken [never looked it up] so at approx. $6,000,000. it’s not super whack especially considering their cap situation. 

          • Destro

            problem is his chemistry with the basket sucks…..chemistry with the backboard is terrific but that doesnt count for anything unfortunately…

            • mountio

              thats actually pretty funny. Just like BCStefaskigots2go … every once in a while you guys make me laugh..

  • nba_socrates

    Soo fickle! you are the same fans who are gonna be saying hes no good when raps are tankin. A few meaningless pre season games and you think hes the answer at pg 

    • 2damkule

      like a potato, you have eyes, yet cannot see…

      • nba_socrates

        This lowry aint no good. Injury prone and with an attitude detrimntal to the team . My eyes see through the future unlike you gullible fans who get excited by a few unofficial games.

        • 2damkule

          i certainly can’t speak to his attitude, but how is he ‘injury-prone,’ exactly?

          your schtick has nothing to do with ‘seeing the future,’ and everything to do with being a contrarian…a common troll who takes the opposing viewpoint & bleats long & hard about it, with the hopes that one of their ‘predictions’ comes true, so they can then go on bleating about how they ‘knew’ all along.  or someone who just likes to see how many replies they can generate.

          i like to think i temper my expectations as well as anybody, so you likely won’t see me extolling the virtues of any player hyperbollically.  that being said, i fail to see why it’s so silly to be excited about him as a raptor.  he may not be THE answer at PG, but he is AN answer…how good remains to be seen.  but it’s not an accident that he’s fairly universally regarded as a top-notch (though not elite) PG in the bball community, and if you’ve failed to ‘see’ his skills on the court, then that’s on you.  i’m not talking about 2 preseason games either, dude’s been pretty damn good for at least a couple of years.  i guess perusing ESPN’s stats page only tells you so much…

          that being said…if you didn’t notice the dramatic drop-off in play when he left the game friday, and the subsequent up-tick in play when he returned, well, i don’t know what to say.  i know, i know, it was ‘just’ preseason, NO ONE WAS TRYING, the knicks were missing players, bleat bleat bleat.  time will tell.

          • nba_socrates

            I’m certainly not going to divulge into all the nonsensical words you are spewing but there’s one thing you hit the nail right on cue, my predictions will come to fruition not that i’ve made many, and i will be bleating off about ‘knowing all along’. And just because i dont conform with you and the other bandwagon fans viewpoints in no way makes me a troll.
            Lowry will fail, he lacks the mental fortitude to grind through a whole season. Hopefully BC and that overrated pound the rock gimmick coach can vacate their positions soon and a new era will be upon our beloved raptors.

        • Destro

          Can you please speak to me on how is attitude is detrimental to the team ? This i have to here obviously you work in the locker room and have first hand accounts of this attitude causing issues….

          Cuz from what i see on the floor hes got a great attitude,that of a leader who wants to win….

          • nba_socrates

            From Memphis to Houston there was always controversy surrounding him and i dont see it changing in Toronto. When thing dont go his way the cracks begin to appear. FACT

            • CJT

              The fact is that you don’t know anything about the conflicts that he has been involved in, just blog troll speculation.  The only ones who truly know are KL and whoever the issue was with.  Just like with JJ no of know for sure what transpired, we just hear rumours and believe what we want. 

              • nba_socrates

                Throw that troll word around again haha. An overused word thats only purpose is to serve as a defense mechanism against an opposite view. I will gladly be the troll who proved all you fair-weather fans that you know nothing about the intricacies of the NBA and your own team.

                • CJT

                  If you read a little more carefully you will get that I didn’t call you a troll, but rather the speculation about the KL incidents that were you referring to was written by blog trolls.  But your defensive response definitely indicates that you believe you are a troll.  Sorry about that.

                • Nilanka15

                  “Fairweather fan”???  You clearly have no idea what this term means.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

               You have no facts to back up anything you say. You just write junk that doesn’t make sense. What controversy in Memphis?!!! Exactly you don’t know shit. So just shut the fuck up

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Then get your eyes checked you fucking stupid genie. He gets injured for one season in Houston and he is injury-prone? He only had conflict with his coach because he was benched when he came back from injury and Dragic was put in for the rest of the season. He did not have any conflicts with other teammates. It does not mean he has an attitude problem. If anything, it shows his competitiveness. Get off these boards cause you don’t know what your talking about.

          • Danielscott677

            Perfect reply…

          • 2damkule

            i’m not even sure ‘injured’ would be the accurate term…didn’t he have a bacterial infection?

    • Nilanka15

      Andre Drummond is better than Oscar Robertson.

      • nba_socrates

        Drummond is a highlight reel, cant say that about any of the raptors frontcourt

        • Nilanka15

          Gerald Green is also a highlight reel.

          • nba_socrates

            Gerald Green is actually playing pretty well since he came back to the NBA and had a mature attitude. Soo your point is? If memory serves me right he destroyed the Raptors when they played last season.

            • Nilanka15

              My point is that being a great leaper doesn’t always translate into being a great player.  Green, despite his new attitude, is a fringe rotation player at best.

              Drummond can dunk better than Bargnani, Valanciunas, Amir, Gray and Davis, but I can confidently say he isn’t a better ball player than any of them (at this point in his career).

              • 2damkule

                that may be true, but i’d get rid of 60% of ’em TODAY for drummond…and by this time next year, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a more impactful player – even if he’s not as skilled – than any of them.

                • Destro

                  How do you know hes not as skilled ?
                  Not as skilled as Amir Johnson ? Aaron Gray ?
                  Sorry what skills does Gray have ? Being a large out of shape body NOT being a skill of course…

                • 2damkule

                  i was including val & bargs in that part of the discussion, and IMO, it will take some time until drummond’s BASKETBALL skills catch up with his athleticism.

                • Nilanka15

                  I’d easily take Drummond over Amir, Davis and Gray as well (if we’re looking at the long-term picture).

              • Destro

                No you cant…You cant say anyting based on 3 pre season games… 

                • Nilanka15

                  Exactly.

              • nba_socrates

                Did you take your daily dose of meds today? Drummond is a better rebounder than all these players you mentioned, hes also a better shot blocker and has a better defensive presence which is pretty much all the intangibles you need in a big. Bargs and Amir are a joke. Val needs to get stronger and he’ll do good things occasionally but wont have that star factor Drummond posssess

                • Nilanka15

                  Ok, ok.  You win.  Drummond is awesome, Lowry stinks, Colangelo stinks, Casey stinks, and the Raptors stink.

                  Better?

                • nba_socrates

                  I think common sense should have already made it clear to you of these facts.

            • 2damkule

              i like green, so i’m happy he seems to have found a home and is making a positive contribution to his team. 

              speaking of players destroying the raptors…have you checked out what lowry did against the raps?  i mean, if that’s the barometer you use to judge a player’s value, then i assume it would apply to KL as well, no?

        • p00ka

          To quote you from above, “A few meaningless pre season games and you think…..”

          • 2damkule

            you’ve got it all wrong: preseason games are meaningless depending on the argument i’m trying to make.  idiot.

          • nba_socrates

            It was a big mistake not to Draft Drummond.

            • Lorenzo

               Oh what a shame, you just pulled a destro, not a good move man..

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

              made you look stupid

              • nba_socrates

                Just because Lowry had a good game tonight doesnt mean you can come here and puff your chest out at me

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

                  This has nothing to do with Lowry, it has to do with you sounding like a hypocrite in that statement.

              • CJT

                Well that didn’t take much, did it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

       Your trolling on a Raps forum with a Chicago Bulls logo. WTF?!

      • nba_socrates

        I just happen to like many logos and interchange frequently

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHJKFMCGSMBEQGBRKJVLKUGSEQ john g

          Because you a bandwagon fan (prob going to change to a Miami one, or a Laker one next week) and troll on Raps forum thinking you know what your talking about

  • FAQ

    Sit back.. relax.. this agglomeration of Raptor players will surprise us this season… believe it.

    No need to poke around (like p00kaka) trying to fantacize over 82 games and make believe you are the Raps GM making profound decisions based on your extensive knowledge and experience, commenting on many b-ball fora ….. take a pill and chill… yo’

    • p00ka

      Did I hurt you? awwwwwww, no worries, some day you may get over your childhood spent being dressed in your older step sisters’ clothes, and won’t need to troll websites to find a release from the pain.

  • vino

    off topic but relevant:
    its not the amount of rebounds #7 takes; its the amount he doesn’t! sick and tired watching his lazy ass, no matter on how many 3s he connects!

    • CJT

      Thank you for the update.

    • p00ka

      That you’re “sick and tired watching” may be relevant enough to you to go “off topic”, but to most of us, it’s a “who the fk cares moment”. The Raptors (you do get that TEAM thing, right?) out-rebounded their opponent 49-40 an outscored them 104-95. Is that relevant to you?